NeoGAF around the time of the MGS4 and FFXIII was the fucking pits (lurker talking). The Order didn't even come close.
"Previously Recorded" review The Order 1886
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NeoGAF around the time of the MGS4 and FFXIII was the fucking pits (lurker talking). The Order didn't even come close.
If they call it a review they should adhere to the expectations that come with it. I have no problem with them burning the game for fun. I just don't think that that sort of nonsense should be called "reviewing".
"Review" isn't even in the title of the actual video. "Review" isn't mentioned in the description.
Blame the OP but RLM is not claiming to be something it isn't.
Coffee Dog
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those "expectations" come from your experience with games journalism. two guys having a few beers and talking about games is just as much a review as a long form essay. Just different styles.
And more to the point, I don't think they ever pretended it's a formal review.
Fair enough. I'll blame the OP then.
Holy Shit.
7DollarHagane
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Was expecting to see this thread blow up. Their video was great and really deconstructed all the problems this stupid game has. This is Michael bay level entertainment at best and its really not even much dumb fun to be had.
You just listed presentation in 4 different ways. So what that list really says is:
Good:
- Presentation
- Gunplay
I would really disagree with you on gunplay, but I'll let it stand..
No.
This statement offends me as a writer, and I don't even think I'm all that great.
This is bush league.
This is the shit I had outgrown by my second year of middle school.
And I'm willing to tolerate that level of writing in a game, but I'm not willing to tolerate it in a game selling itself on its story. Nor am I willing to call it good or "medium" in any context.
I don't think a video of two guys' candid opinions about a game is meant to sway people away from liking The Order.
Orniletter
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The review is hilarious, oh my.
I died at "ethnic tough lady" . Will have to remember those guys, they are great.
I died at "ethnic tough lady" . Will have to remember those guys, they are great.
staticneuron
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Here is the thing, your point of view means that people cannot possibly like the games despite any flaws, they are simply "defensive". And that is the root of the issue here and why it is worth pointing out that it seems very arrogant to imply your opinion is absolute truth and other people are just lying to themselves.
I dislike knack, vanquish, alot of nintendo titles, just cause and others. I don't assume that people who like them are delusional. Just have different tastes.
What i think is really funny is
"The gameplay is just a copy of Gears of War!"
Why are you acting so surprised? This is what videogames are for the past 8 years
And this is the first time you see people complaining
Lets be honest: if The Order had multiplayer you wouldnt see half of this hate
"The gameplay is just a copy of Gears of War!"
Why are you acting so surprised? This is what videogames are for the past 8 years
And this is the first time you see people complaining
Lets be honest: if The Order had multiplayer you wouldnt see half of this hate
call_kotaku
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So projecting all sorts of assumptions and agendas on people who disagree with you is arrogant and delusional? I'm glad we agree!
I don't think there's anything honest about you positing a fantasy scenario that's not relevant to the discussion of this video. You've basically used a more transparently dishonest tactic in an attempt to come to a point you never actually had.
Lloyd Christmas
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Never heard of these guys before watching this video. They were pretty funny with a few jokes missing the mark. The ending was hilariously insane. Will definitely check out more of their reviews.
No it's not? Vanquish, TR 2013, TLOU, Uncharted are all cover based TPS and yet bring unique mechanics and design philosophies to that genre in a way this doesn't doesn't even attempt.
freenudemacusers
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can anyone explain why there are sections where you are forced to crouch or run? that makes zero sense.
imagine if it had interesting gameplay and/or narrative!
That entirely depends on if the multiplayer is fun.
Lets look at Tomb Raider, how many people talk about the MP? Hell even in TLOU which had really good MP that part was rarely talked about.
Of course both games where very well received for their single player but a lackluster SP followed by a (potentially, given the SP campaign and mechanics) lackluster MP would have been...lackluster and got blasted by everyone involved.
The Dutch Slayer
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But I've noticed that in many Order threads that there are people who jump on others who so happen to enjoy it.
staticneuron
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call_kotaku
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If you read the level of passive aggressiveness in most of these posts defending the game, like the ones in this thread, you can see why people might react negatively.
Not saying it's rational or justified, but understandable
You like what you like (as you said) so clearly there's no impetus for you to give a shit about people who have an opposing opinion. It's one thing to be insulted for your likes, but to be challenged? That's part of being on any discussion forum.
It's nice to see reviewers being a bit honest and evaluating the game also on the sole legs of its narrative, i feel it's more honest for a game like this than simply stating "the gameplay is bad, move along".
It's a bit less nice that after watching this for me The Order went straight from "when it costs like a movie" to "when it's repackaged as a trilogy collection at the end of PS4's life, and only if part 2 and 3 are OK".
It's a bit less nice that after watching this for me The Order went straight from "when it costs like a movie" to "when it's repackaged as a trilogy collection at the end of PS4's life, and only if part 2 and 3 are OK".
Grinchy
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I haven't gone back to look, but I assume it's Jack's laugh you're talking about. I still haven't completely warmed up to him. He's just so lame and his laugh often does sound really fake.
But there's a difference between not giving a shit and being annoyed. For me, it's the latter. I've loved and hated Universally loved games from the 80s until now.
I liked the order because it was straight forward and to the point. Didn't throw a bunch of needless filler (like DA:I,IMO) just to pad the game, it had beautiful graphics and I actually didn't mind the gun play. It was a great weekend killer, and made most of my hours of game play.
Watching this and it seems they are really nitpicking for some complaints. For example, they say that the first invention Tesla gives you is a scope for a gun, when it's obvious the invention is the gun itself, with a scope attached. Like, come on. Also, I hate it when people bring up clichés as criticism when most of the highest rated games have them as well, like more recently the Last of Us and the Walking Dead.
Guys, sometimes you like and enjoy something that's bad. I love M Night movies, The Happening is one of my favorite movies of all time. The Room would be in my top 10 favorite movies of all time.
All of this squirming about and trying to paint some whack ass picture that the game is a innocent child being bullied is horse shit.
All of this squirming about and trying to paint some whack ass picture that the game is a innocent child being bullied is horse shit.
Lol. I love this. Let's try the same thing with Superman 64...
Good:
- Is 3d
- Innovative flying mechanic. (While not the best, it is innovative)
- No loading
- Superpowers
- Sound
- Great boxart
Medium:
- Fog
- Bland enemies
- Frame rate
Bad:
- Glitches
So as you can see, the game is way more good than bad. And none of you can disagree because none of you have played the game.
Yep. Overemotionalizing the discussion of games with regards to developers' feelings and other similar stuff is, as it always is, a dishonest and a generally cowardly tactic/distraction.
davepoobond
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Really what it is is their experience with the game and that's fine. I don't really agree with them on a couple of their nitpick a on general gaming philosophy in the video, but that's hardly a reason to be divisive on the game itself, at least to me.
I would probably still play the game, though, if I had the chance.
The editing Jack did for this episode was something special though compared to their other videos. I really like the work he puts into their edited videos
I would probably still play the game, though, if I had the chance.
The editing Jack did for this episode was something special though compared to their other videos. I really like the work he puts into their edited videos
But it's very true.
This Tryckster guy for example is in this thread saying: I can ague specific points about the game because I've actually played it, which is fair enough, but then goes on to argue specific points about a video he's never seen, :lol. topping it off with, "I have better things to do" while spending hours arguing here". The definition of fucking irony.
FairXchange
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Now that's a compelling theory.
Coffee Dog
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Cliches can be done well. The problem with the order is that they generally aren't, by film/tv show standards. TLOU is clichéd to hell (big strong man protects daughter surrogate is so played out) but it has good character writing so it's not a huge problem.
Wrong. Not only does Gallahad already know what kind of gun it is ("Essex 84 Marksman Carbine. Impressive."), not only does the emphasis in Tesla's response contradict this ("I've outfitted this one with a telescopic sight."), but it's the weapon enemy snipers use. No, he did not invent the gun.
Are they jumping on the people with positive opinions because they were positive opinions, or because they're making specific points that just aren't defensible? If someone's legitimately being harassed, toss a line to a mod, but what I've observed in a lot of threads is people so defensive on principle that they dismiss the premise of open criticism, and often can't be bothered to respond to points outside of generic strawmen characterizations of what they think the criticism says. I've seen plenty of people remarking or explaining the ways they've enjoyed the game, with no blowback from others at all. On the other hand, you have posters who can't be bothered to read/watch the editorial they're rejecting before posting their manifesto and dismissing an opinion because "it was a foregone conclusion."
People don't have a problem with "I really liked [X], it was [Y]"
Why would he know the exact make and model of the gun if it had just been invented?
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Tesla is supplying the enemies with weapons in the story, so of course the enemy snipers would be using it if he invented it.
It isn't the gun itself. Galahad recognizes the making of the gun (SX84 Marksman Carbine) which is a specific model, then Tesla says: "I've outfitted THIS ONE with a telescopic sight". If he meant to say, "this is a totally new, unique gun I made" and not "I added a scope to this rifle" then the writing in this game is worse than I thought, where basic ideas cannot be conveyed properly.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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I agree on the point of Order being a mediocre game (especially with its cliche story).
But I also just saw their Sonic video. Kinda funny, but so wrong on so many levels. How the hell do you knock branching paths in one 2D platformer as being a negative but don't care to do that with a certain other 2D platformer that has the exact same thing? Bullocks.
Hope someone made a response vid shaming them on how much they suck at the old Sonic games, because they don't understand them at all.
To the point of the one poster who said they might be Nintendo fanboys (plop said that I think), they might be right on that note.
But I also just saw their Sonic video. Kinda funny, but so wrong on so many levels. How the hell do you knock branching paths in one 2D platformer as being a negative but don't care to do that with a certain other 2D platformer that has the exact same thing? Bullocks.
Hope someone made a response vid shaming them on how much they suck at the old Sonic games, because they don't understand them at all.
To the point of the one poster who said they might be Nintendo fanboys (plop said that I think), they might be right on that note.
freenudemacusers
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..I hope sir galahad made that connection immediately and had some follow up questions for mr tesla.
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In the context of the scene being discussed, however, that's irrelevant. YOU don't know that yet, so the first invention Tesla comes up with, as far as you the player know, and as far as Gallahad knows, is a scope for a rifle.
Which is the issue they take with the game.
Granted, I've only played like 30 minutes of the game, so my context for some story beats may be off.
Alright, the video in the OP was pretty entertaining. Though the ending seemed a bit over the top, I guess it's their way of conveying their message.
But this...
But this...
...is just amazing. <3
PepsimanVsJoe
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I'm still shocked that they went with (Ending spoilers)
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Tens of millions of dollars, years of work, and that's the ending.
What the fuck.
Gun shot. Fade to black
Tens of millions of dollars, years of work, and that's the ending.
What the fuck.
Wow! The main thing that turned me off about the game was that after the first reveal, which made me think I'd be fighting monsters, they only showed human enemies, with one QTE werewolf fight. That convinced me that the game isn't what I initially thought it would be, but wtf! Didn't expect it to be this bad!
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