Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Because I can barely maneuver around this big ass monster while trying to avoid his huge AoE status attacks which I have no idea about, all around this small ass arena.
Giant Bombcast - 03/10/15
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Because I can barely maneuver around this big ass monster while trying to avoid his huge AoE status attacks which I have no idea about, all around this small ass arena.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
He does this a lot. I feel like everyone forgot his Metro Redux QL which was probably one of the worst pieces of content I've ever watched on GB.
What's bad for me is that pretty much all the premium content on the site is Dan-related, which makes my sub kind of worthless at this point.
DontBeThatGuy
Member
That's so easy though.
I get where you're coming from. The difference for me is that I like Dan. I like his silly antics and he's actually got some decent insights and opinions. His delivery is so damn bad, though. How has he survived being in a public facing position for so long?
Given his love of Metal Gear, it's really funny to hear Dan going after a game for difficult controls or slightly dense game mechanics.
Not that the way Monster Hunter eases you in is flawless -- it's obviously not -- but I wonder sometimes if he'd really like MGS the way he does now if it came out when he was already a grown man. So many people have become a lot less patient about learning the things a game expects of you as they get older.
Specifically about Monster Hunter: I played a friend's copy very briefly twice before and felt really overwhelmed. Picking up MH4U as my first real attempt to get into the series, I was hooked after the first hour. It did not take me fifteen. I'm not really sure if that number still applies now, assuming you have some idea of how the mechanics work, so that you don't spend the time frustrated. The game does a pretty good job of ramping up now, compared to what little I saw of the earlier titles.
Unless I just retained more from those brief experiences before than I realized.
Not that the way Monster Hunter eases you in is flawless -- it's obviously not -- but I wonder sometimes if he'd really like MGS the way he does now if it came out when he was already a grown man. So many people have become a lot less patient about learning the things a game expects of you as they get older.
Specifically about Monster Hunter: I played a friend's copy very briefly twice before and felt really overwhelmed. Picking up MH4U as my first real attempt to get into the series, I was hooked after the first hour. It did not take me fifteen. I'm not really sure if that number still applies now, assuming you have some idea of how the mechanics work, so that you don't spend the time frustrated. The game does a pretty good job of ramping up now, compared to what little I saw of the earlier titles.
Unless I just retained more from those brief experiences before than I realized.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
It's just tiring for me. And my tolerance is pretty high, considering the bullshit that gets spouted on other gaming podcasts (including Mark with his random nonsense on 8-4 sometimes lol).
Brad calling him out on if you're going to troll, don't be surprised to get a inflated response was the best. Dan needs a bit more self awareness. I think on the whole I still like him.
Guess you had a bad pattern then, which sucks. For me he spent about 2 of the 3 minutes in the air while I shot him with the canon. Only landed on the deck once.
I didn't have any trouble with the Gore Mag initial fight, but I played over 100 hours of MH3U, so I can't really comment. I can see why it would be a problem for people, so it definitely sucks for those it doesn't work for. I really like them introducing the big bad campaign monster early and forcing you to repel them. It builds up their mystique. Those fights can be super tough in a not fun way if you have some problems with it.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
It's nothing new though. Have you guys missed all the times Jeff and Ryan called monster hunter bad games and the people who played them bad people?
Also yeah I think I got a bad pattern on that fight. Was a real pain in the ass.
Also yeah I think I got a bad pattern on that fight. Was a real pain in the ass.
The difference there is when Jeff/Ryan do that sort of thing, they're clearly joking. They're even laughing about their dumb joke half the time they do it. Only people who take themselves way too seriously would get angry at them.
For Dan, he's so damn serious about it. Sure, in his mind he's joking just as much as Jeff and Ryan were, but on the outside there's no hint of that self awareness.
For Dan, he's so damn serious about it. Sure, in his mind he's joking just as much as Jeff and Ryan were, but on the outside there's no hint of that self awareness.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I actually specifically remember a time where someone (Patrick?) was talking about trying to get into Dark Souls and Ryan was adamant that he hated the idea of people liking Dark Souls because it would just lead to people liking Monster Hunter.
Also, to clear up: When I say you need a teacher in Monster Hunter, you don't need someone who will explain every little thing. You need someone who will explain the inevitable wall you come across and some reasonable assurance that, yeah, this part is dumb, but just push past it. Then you do and you fight a Gore Magala for thirty minutes after you get some new equipment and holy shit that fight was intense, I have to see what's next and suddenly you're hooked until the next wall.
Jason was at the doctor that day, they mentioned it at the end of that segment.
And isn't it pretty much correct that it's obvious that he means "I think it's a terrible game" when he says "it's a terrible game". It's his opinion. I don't get how that should impact your opinion on his reviews which, like also is just his opinion on a game. It's too easy to dismiss it as "trolling".
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I actually cannot see where that distinction would come from other than your own personal perception. They all seem to equally hate the game.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Pretty much. When Jeff jokes about hating Yoshi, it's supposed to be funny and you get the impression that he doesn't really care. When Dan says he hates something, you assume he's serious.
I mean, I've been mostly staying out of the GB thread because it's not really the place to raise a stink and if people like him, that's fine. But I still listen to the Bombcast and stuff like his Monster Hunter rant is just unavoidable for me.
I think it's all tone. When the Red Letter Media guys spend 30 minutes tearing apart The Order 1886 and then light the game on fire on a bed of matches that spell out "FUCK YOU", it's informative, critical, and funny.
All I got out of the MH segment is Dan pretty much implying that people who may enjoy the games (and let me be clear that I don't have an opinion either way on MH) are completely misguided and that the games are objectively terrible.
Whether or not he means that, I don't know. But that's the impression I get when I listened to that segment.
To me, the difference with Jeff and Ryan is you're in on the joke. It's clearly supposed to just be funny. With Dan, it can tend to just come off of as sort of mean spirited.
Yeah, I don't see how its any different than the way Jeff/Brad trashed Mario Kart and Smash bros last year. Or Majora's Mask this year. Or Dynasty Warriors every year. They reach far and wide to find any excuse to justify why they don't like a game.
It was hilarious to hear a lot of those same arguments piled on Metal Gear later on.
It was hilarious to hear a lot of those same arguments piled on Metal Gear later on.
I think you're just reading too much into it. He's not saying that people who like the game are misguided (he clearly said that the game has its fans, so a lot of people do like the combat, or something like that), it's just that he tends to say "game X is a bad game" instead of "I think game game x is a bad game" when he means the exact same thing. That part's not meant to be trolling, it's just how he talks.
Basileus777
Member
That Dan Monster Hunter segment really isn't worthy of all this hysteria. It wasn't even that bad.
Totally agree. From the hype I was expecting much worse, but having Brad and Drew as counter measures made it a totally fine segment. If it was just him railing on it with no one offering counterpoints, that would be insufferable.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Again, I would just point to the Metro Redux quick look. I think it's fine to disagree with the premise of a game. But if for some reason you don't like the fact that you need to manage ammo or your mask in the game, you can't summarily declare Metro to be a bad game just because it wasn't made for you. The same goes for The Binding of Isaac and a few other games he just goes off on.
I mean, I'm not going to stop listening to the Bombcast, since I've been listening to it since it was basically The Hotspot (which I still think is weird that they somehow lost all those old episodes), but I'm at a point where I just want to fast forward through the Dan segments now.
Basileus777
Member
He doesn't mean that, they go out of their way to specifically point that out during the segment. You're imagining these personal attacks and slights on the honor of monster hunter fans.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The fact that he has to excuse all of that at the end means he knows he's being deliberate in his tone or in choosing his words. He just doesn't care about how he comes off.
Basileus777
Member
He doesn't like a video game. How much does he need to hedge and qualify it? He's not talking about some controversial issue here.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I guess in the same way, I don't like the way Dan presents his opinions then? I've explained myself and you seem to think I'm listening to his words, tone, and general presentation wrong. But it's not like this is the first, second, or even third time I've felt this way after a Dan rant. I don't know what else to tell you.
Edit: "It's my opinion", just to be clear.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
No, he has to say that because people on the internet (people in general really) really have to learn to learn that yes, criticism is an opinion. We see that in review threads all the time, or the people who still get butthurt about Jeff calling drive club a bad game.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I didn't take Dan seriously after he realized he could just close the DS to pause the game.
He's just playing it up, sparring with the fellas. He's getting ready to go all in for MGSV game of the year.
He's just playing it up, sparring with the fellas. He's getting ready to go all in for MGSV game of the year.
WrenchNinja
Member
I feel like I was swindled by this thread. I thought Brad played Majora's Mask and that's what brought this theme.
Instead I got monhun bullshit.
Instead I got monhun bullshit.
I need a "Teach us Monster Hunter, Jason". With Jason, Brad, Drew and Dan playing local co-op. Do it
Dan will be the guy that attacks while someone is mounting and takes all the supply chest items.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Just got to the pizza topping discussion. Dan's list has way too much meat and carbs.
GOAT pizza topping is whole cloves of garlic.
GOAT pizza topping is whole cloves of garlic.
I don't even disagree with Dan's arguments against Monster Hunter, but it's really crazy how angry he gets.
Though most of his complaints about the controls sound directly comparable to Metal Gear Solid.
"I know North Korea's crazy but [I never thought they wouldn't have a McDonalds!]"
Though most of his complaints about the controls sound directly comparable to Metal Gear Solid.
"I know North Korea's crazy but [I never thought they wouldn't have a McDonalds!]"
I'd say you were crazy, but these OPs are pretty darn glorious
And turned off The Godfather 20 minutes in because "it's boring!"
There was a podcast from late last year that basically outlined how he passed courses in that film degree, and it's definitely worth a listen because it was the most Dan Ryckert series of explanations you could imagine. It's great.
Monster hunter talk? Guess I better listen then.
I watched part of the Jason/Brad feature, and I loved Brad's enthusiasm despite having gone through the typical shitty monster hunter opening hours. I'm glad he has someone to help him through the early stages. But while I don't expect everyone to be an expert, I think Brad needs to be a little more wary of Jason's advice sometimes. I'm sure it'll be fine if they keep learning together, though.
It's absolutely my favorite series in the world yet I completely understand how it can turn people off. I wouldn't expect Dan to like a game that doesn't get good for at least 10 hours, but I would find it weird if he takes issues with the controls as an MGS fan.
Pop into the OT anytime and you'll have people jumping at the chance to help you out with anything. If the basic gameplay isn't a hurdle for you then you're already doing fine.
MH has gotten better at explaining its basics, but as Brad/Jason mentioned in the 'teach me monster hunter' video, that's part of 4's problem. It's just information overload and TLDR at first. How can you start people off in a game that deep other than just throw them into the ocean and hope they swim? This is a series I've spent well over a thousand hours on and I still learn new stuff once in a while. I'd say a rocky start was worth it.
I watched part of the Jason/Brad feature, and I loved Brad's enthusiasm despite having gone through the typical shitty monster hunter opening hours. I'm glad he has someone to help him through the early stages. But while I don't expect everyone to be an expert, I think Brad needs to be a little more wary of Jason's advice sometimes. I'm sure it'll be fine if they keep learning together, though.
It's absolutely my favorite series in the world yet I completely understand how it can turn people off. I wouldn't expect Dan to like a game that doesn't get good for at least 10 hours, but I would find it weird if he takes issues with the controls as an MGS fan.
Pop into the OT anytime and you'll have people jumping at the chance to help you out with anything. If the basic gameplay isn't a hurdle for you then you're already doing fine.
MH has gotten better at explaining its basics, but as Brad/Jason mentioned in the 'teach me monster hunter' video, that's part of 4's problem. It's just information overload and TLDR at first. How can you start people off in a game that deep other than just throw them into the ocean and hope they swim? This is a series I've spent well over a thousand hours on and I still learn new stuff once in a while. I'd say a rocky start was worth it.
I disagree with Drew - What made Sonic, Sonic back in the day was that it was simple as shit. No "run" button, no aiming, you had a D-Pad and one button that did everything.
If anything it's that Sonic's gotten too complicated with boosts and homing attacks and all that.
I honestly wish they went further with the elemental shields from Sonic 3. The Wisps from the recent games kind of try something like it, but end up being a bit lame of more of a level specific power. The shields were Sonic's "Power Mushrooms".
If anything it's that Sonic's gotten too complicated with boosts and homing attacks and all that.
I honestly wish they went further with the elemental shields from Sonic 3. The Wisps from the recent games kind of try something like it, but end up being a bit lame of more of a level specific power. The shields were Sonic's "Power Mushrooms".
backflip10019
Member
Honestly I found Drew's statement about finding a "zen" with Monster Hunter after 10 hours to be more ridiculous than Dan's entire tirade. If there was ever an overblown statement, it's that.
Is Dan's hate towards MH4 this ep a work? Is he just playing heel?
He reviewed MHTri and gave it a 7/10!
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/monster_hunter_tri/b/wii/archive/2010/04/22/review.aspx
He reviewed MHTri and gave it a 7/10!
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/monster_hunter_tri/b/wii/archive/2010/04/22/review.aspx
Could be a Jeff/Majoras Mask situation.
I can see why people are upset about Dan going off on Monster Hunter, I had a similar reaction when the gang went off on Binding of Isaac during the game of the year podcasts. (I think Brad even said something like "I played it like 5 times!" as if that's any time at all in games like these).
Overall though I like Dan and his wacky opinions, even when they don't line up with my own. Some people find different things appealing/rewarding and that's fine.
Overall though I like Dan and his wacky opinions, even when they don't line up with my own. Some people find different things appealing/rewarding and that's fine.
weird. the way he railed off on monhun definitely makes it sound like this is the first one he bothered putting much time into... but if you've played enough to write a review, I can't imagine 4 being that hard to pick up.