NotTheGuyYouKill
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The whole Afterlife with Archie thing started with a horror themed variant cover by Francesco Francavilla. People loved it, they turned it into a hit series which is super dark.
This one:
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Rafael Albuquerque reveals controversial variant cover for Batgirl #41
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The whole Afterlife with Archie thing started with a horror themed variant cover by Francesco Francavilla. People loved it, they turned it into a hit series which is super dark.
This one:
You weren't understanding anything before and you were being a huge shit to anyone here and elsewhere that had even a tiny issue with this cover
not_so_special
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“There's never been a true war that wasn't fought between two sets of people who were certain they were in the right. The really dangerous people believe they are doing whatever they are doing solely and only because it is without question the right thing to do. And that is what makes them dangerous.”
― Neil Gaiman, American Gods
Supermanisdead
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its a comic book story and arguably the most important one for the character. in a month highlighting joker, of course her most famous encounter with him is going to get spotlight. stop fighting for a cartoon character.
Bobby Roberts
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There we go. I knew this couldn't have been literally UNPRECEDENTED. There had to have been some sort of precedent to this, right? Now, this example isn't exactly the same (it's pretty tame, comparatively, even with undead castmembers), but at least it's a relevant example.
No seriously Opto, not_so_special, get a room, take it to PM or something.
I feel like it's kinda different, I mean like when people were showing similar for batman, it was batman crying over robin's death.
I mean that's really not the same thing at all.
Also is Batgirl any good in its current form?
I feel like it's kinda different, I mean like when people were showing similar for batman, it was batman crying over robin's death.
I mean that's really not the same thing at all.
Also is Batgirl any good in its current form?
Better than Barbara ever was as Batgirl.
(I am aware this will get me crucified, but it's true).
not_so_special
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i tried to pm him to calm down things,this thread its not about us,but he doesnt seem to have any sense of humor
WrenchNinja
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Supermanisdead
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Cass > Stephanie > Babs
No problem with the cover on my end, good art and relevant to the actual character.
As far as the argument "The problem is that Batgirl wouldn't be crying in this position", why wouldn't she ? What happened to her was traumatic. And at least, she's an actual CHARACTER. There's no sick pleasure derived from seeing her in this position, it just shows a facet of her personality. I think that makes it more awesome, better than batman or superman or most super heroes in some way, who, despite having a few covers showing emotions, are usually shown stoic, cold, assured 90% of the time to the point where you kinda stop thinking of them as humans and more as icons.
If this was some corny pin-up thing with batgirl completely on the ground, or half her clothes turned up or whatever, yeah i'd question. But the art here is on point, it shows the horrible relation as a reference to killing joke because yeah, it is horrible what happened to her. And she is showing weakness, but that's okay, because I also think that makes her stronger overall
As far as the argument "The problem is that Batgirl wouldn't be crying in this position", why wouldn't she ? What happened to her was traumatic. And at least, she's an actual CHARACTER. There's no sick pleasure derived from seeing her in this position, it just shows a facet of her personality. I think that makes it more awesome, better than batman or superman or most super heroes in some way, who, despite having a few covers showing emotions, are usually shown stoic, cold, assured 90% of the time to the point where you kinda stop thinking of them as humans and more as icons.
If this was some corny pin-up thing with batgirl completely on the ground, or half her clothes turned up or whatever, yeah i'd question. But the art here is on point, it shows the horrible relation as a reference to killing joke because yeah, it is horrible what happened to her. And she is showing weakness, but that's okay, because I also think that makes her stronger overall
This has to be a joke...
TheDarkKnight774
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I don't like batgirl currently. It feels like they transplanted another characters personality (closest being Stephs) and de aged Babs for some reason. If you haven't read it yet, check out Batgirl Year one. The best Barbara as batgirl depiction yet. But then I loved Barbara more as Oracle and hated to see that be reset
I did. I'm not completely familiar with this newer variant of Batgirl, as DC has gotten quite complicated of late. Still, even in costume these characters still have fears.
Barbara was better after she got shot and became Oracle and now she's been regressed back to Batgirl. If anything this cover represents the turning point for her character.
Have fun on the ignore list, you sad little man.
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Deleted member 17706
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While I largely disagreed with him, your behavior has been completely shitty. Really and completely unwarranted.
Alright, let me put this into perspective for you. You went from 0 to well into "You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole" territory in no time flat. You are making not_so_special look no worse by comparison. And not_so_special's first post was fucking:
I ain't trying to police your tone, lord knows I've been happy to go off on someone who deserves it and take the ban when the situation called for it, but this isn't a battle you can win the way you're fighting it. Bad optics.
Great I dont have the proper joke image on my phone.
Regardless, you really arent helping if the only way you can express disagreement is with rage.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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This thread reminds me of those Facebook posts where someone makes a really bad comment, so people get really hesitant about posting any more comments after it.
Well I'm not engaging with him anymore so it's all good now
not_so_special
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nah..why bother
DonasaurusRex
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so to be consistent with his statement....he can't really be sure its actually true or meaningful...cause otherwise....textbook self refuting.
BobbyRobby
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Caving to outrage like this robs women of character development.
A lot of superhero stories are about being brought down to a desolate low, and rising from it.
I makes the triumph more meaningful.
A lot of superhero stories are about being brought down to a desolate low, and rising from it.
I makes the triumph more meaningful.
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MHWilliams
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Ah, so this is the only cover in this style.
Yeah but Harley is totally adorable.
edit: I just noticed Harley ripped the head off of the robin doll and stuck her own on it. lol amazing
Haloid1177
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So references to old comics on covers now cause outrage?
Jeez.
Jeez.
not psycho
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I thought this was a pretty good comparison:
After being tortured by Joker, Batman is said to be "broken", and Superman is told that Batman won't be able to get over it.
If the comic is lighthearted, and doesn't deal with issues even close to that of the referenced story, I can understand distaste for the combo, and wouldn't have used it. Imagine a lighthearted Batman book for young kids, and they make a variant cover referencing Batman being "broken" by the Joker. People would ask "why make a cover like that for this book?"
The cover itself is disturbing and impactful, so unless you want to excise that referenced story from the past and future of the character you would consider it a good cover. Just probably a bad choice, even as a variant, for this book (assuming it is as lighthearted and far from the reference as it seems).
Bobby Roberts
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Of course. If anything, I'd say that it's pretty frequent. Taking something scary and defanging it is a lot easier (and safer) to do than the opposite. Which is why so far the only example anyone's been able to come up with for it going in the other direction is Francavilla's Archie variant, and why this is the only of the 25 variants to take that tack.
AbsolutBro
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No, that's Marvel:
Don't give two shits about Batman or the faux outrage for the cover, but this...
This I need.
Osu 16 Bit
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It's not THAT lighthearted. This isn't the general tone of the book but it's not completely out of no where.
They reference what Joker did to her all the time. It's very much part of her character. A villain recently used imagery of it against her.
Dreams-Visions
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Honestly my first thought was, "that face makes her look weak. Superheroes shouldn't look this weak and helpless. Would any male superhero be caught with that facial expression? Prob not."
plasmawave
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Joker being a bad guy. So offensive!
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Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Seriously looks like they traced Michael Jackson for that cover...
(Okay not seriously).
(Okay not seriously).
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