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I have a question. I asked a girl out and we had this conversation. Do you think she really wants the date or is she just saying no?

Background: We met ok OKCupid a while ago, and about January 1 or something exchanged WeChat information (like texting) and have been talking every day since,

Me: Hey, do you have plans for next Saturday?
Her: No plans during the day and will go to a wedding ceremony in the evening
Me: ah, but I work during the day and am off in the evening. Maybe Friday is better?
Her: Friday hummm I am not sure yesterday
Me: That or Sunday is good for me. Or else a week from Saturday (3/21)
Her: Maybe I could decide next Monday. I'll let you know once I can confirm. OK?
Me: Lemme know,,,

Edit: I'd like to add this, during this past week it was her birthday and her colleague made her a birthday cake was was good but too big for her and her colleagues to eat, so she had half of it sent by courier to my workplace. That makes me think she's still interested, but this conversation has me worried. Not sure if that makes a huge difference here.

Male, female, friend, romantic interest, whatever, nobody ever follows up on an I'll let you know. I would say she is not interested, although the cake thing is slightly confusing. I'd say just ask her out once more and say the time and date there and then. If she says no or doesn't reschedule to something concrete, move on.
 
I don't have enough details about her to guess whether she intended to tease you or to follow through, but that was an opening. Is this the girl you were supposed to go out on a date? I don't understand.

Yep! But unfortunately I don't know if the date is still on, because we haven't been talking/texting about it since then.
 
Pretty bummed out, met this girl at the local pub earlier this week. We ended up talking for over two hours until the place shut down and I felt a lot of chemistry with her. I felt like there might have been a connection. I can usually tell when I'm having a conservation with a woman if she's interested or not by her body language. She'll be fiddling with her phone a lot, looking around, etc. This girl didn't do any of that.

I told her I wanted to see her again and asked if she wanted to go out friday. She said she wasnt do anything friday and yes. So I got her number and texted her Friday about going out, I don't hear anything back. Saturday I called her and it went to voicemail and I left a message saying "hey just seeing whats up, wanted to see if you wanted to get a drink somewhere" I haven't heard anything since :/ She told me she was single otherwise I wouldn't have asked her out.

Bums me out because I had good vibes about this girl. It wouldn't be such a big deal if I wasn't in a streak of rejection. Kind of gets to ya after a while.

edit: So basically at this point the ball is in her court right? No more texting or calling from me until she calls/texts back?
 
Anybody date a girl you met online? How'd it go? Any difference? I've never done it before but my friend got me on tinder in the midst of my last break up and i'm about to meet this girl after school is over. I've never had an awkward date in my life but I've also never been on a date with a girl I've never met haha.
 
Anybody date a girl you met online? How'd it go? Any difference? I've never done it before but my friend got me on tinder in the midst of my last break up and i'm about to meet this girl after school is over. I've never had an awkward date in my life but I've also never been on a date with a girl I've never met haha.

I was in your spot too sorta last year, took a break from my girl because it just wasn't going good anymore. somehow ended up Tinder, met up with one chick who seemed to be pretty cool and we talked for a month or so (she lived in OH, me in MI, we matched when I was on vacation) but it just became too much when it was time to leave. fast forward to November, finally went to the movies with this girl I matched a couple months before, had a little conversation and then I ignored her. I asked if she was still interested in going out sometime, gave her my number (she's annoyed I didn't ask for her and instead gave mine but I didn't want to be ignored if I asked), went to the movies, smoked her out in my truck afterwards because she came with her roommate and some other guy her RM came with. we kissed that night which was kind of a pity/maybe this is something type thing. we kept texting, unfortunately her uncle died the day before we were gonna hangout (Friday) and they had to leave town. she then left for Christmas vacation in California for a month. we kept talking the whole time until she came back. she drove here from her parents (she's lives at school) about a hour and half away and we watched the interview and it went good. i waited all the way from November to Febuary to ask her out because i still wasn't sure I was over my ex or if I wanted another relationship. either way I'm glad we're dating, she's a couple years younger but her personality is keeping me in check and that's something my relationships have been lacking. so don't be afraid, go in and just see how it goes. try to keep conversation going but don't overthink anything. be yourself, relax, take her to do something you really enjoy so you feel comfortable there. no need to try to show off right off the bat.
 
Anybody date a girl you met online? How'd it go? Any difference? I've never done it before but my friend got me on tinder in the midst of my last break up and i'm about to meet this girl after school is over. I've never had an awkward date in my life but I've also never been on a date with a girl I've never met haha.

Bunch of people in the Online-Dating thread have - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=850646

Just keep the first date simple. Meet her there, and pick something that you can bail from easily if it goes south quick. I typically go with a decent local non-chain eatery with a nearby coffee shop or bar we can head to if we click well enough.
 
Bunch of people in the Online-Dating thread have - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=850646

Just keep the first date simple. Meet her there, and pick something that you can bail from easily if it goes south quick. I typically go with a decent local non-chain eatery with a nearby coffee shop or bar we can head to if we click well enough.

I know you linked the online dating thread but how do you like it? I've always been against it because I love the chaotic nature of meeting people at random and I dislike putting myself out there like a used car.
 
Anybody date a girl you met online? How'd it go? Any difference? I've never done it before but my friend got me on tinder in the midst of my last break up and i'm about to meet this girl after school is over. I've never had an awkward date in my life but I've also never been on a date with a girl I've never met haha.

I'm dating a gaffer I met online. 9 months in and we're still going great. YMMV.
 
Which is great for you Lucian, but gaf is not a dating website. It's awesome that you met someone really cool. I just don't think it's comparable meeting someone organically online on a non dating site vs a dating site.

For me personally, I just don't want to be listed on some dating site with specs like I'm a piece of hardware.
 
Which is great for you Lucian, but gaf is not a dating website. It's awesome that you met someone really cool. I just don't think it's comparable meeting someone organically online on a non dating site vs a dating site.

For me personally, I just don't want to be listed on some dating site with specs like I'm a piece of hardware.

Perhaps, but it wasn't dissimilar in many ways. Checking out each others photos, profiles, messaging, etc. But to be fair you can meet people on a variety of websites and fall in love. My friend recently married a girl he met on deviant art for example.


But to answer him in regards to dating sites, specifically okc which I was a member of...
I found it odd. Before joining the site I had only dated people who I knew personally and knew their past, quirks, etc .I ended up dating a guy from there for 6 months. He seemed fine on paper and for several months after we started dating. Turns out he was a woman hating, chain smoking manipulator. On dating sites I had nothing to go by except what they wrote which again, this guy sounded fine. You can write whatever you want on there and no one knows if it's true or not. And the creepy messages you get from people... yeesh. I kept mine open for a while after dating Bufbaf and set it to making friends only. People ignored that obviously and sent all sorts of gross stuff. The final straw to make me deactivate was some creep looking for a submissive girl to dominate. Noped right out of there.
 
Which is great for you Lucian, but gaf is not a dating website. It's awesome that you met someone really cool. I just don't think it's comparable meeting someone organically online on a non dating site vs a dating site.

For me personally, I just don't want to be listed on some dating site with specs like I'm a piece of hardware.

well, you only look at it that way if thats what you want to treat it as.

if you're looking for someone who you actually want to connect with it might take a little time, but its just another way to do it, nowadays. depending on how good/appealing you are you might not have to put in as much effort as some other people out there.
 
Anybody date a girl you met online? How'd it go? Any difference? I've never done it before but my friend got me on tinder in the midst of my last break up and i'm about to meet this girl after school is over. I've never had an awkward date in my life but I've also never been on a date with a girl I've never met haha.

Met my bf on OKC 4 months ago, best relationship I've ever had. First date is always a little awkward but I've found that because you already know a bit about the person (from their profile and messaging) you're really seeing if there's physical attraction and chemistry, rather than seeing if you get on well.
 
Okay Dating-Gaf, looking for some advice on when or when not to give up.

This girl and I had a class over j-term of this year, talked a few times, class ended. I added her on Facebook and we got to talking on there, then via text/snap chat etc. I found out she had a date on Valentine's Day so i promptly stopped talking to her until she texted me a few days later and I asked how her Valentine's was and she responded with "He ditched me" So, we started talking again, since I felt I wasn't stepping on the other dude's toes.

To cut it short (lol), We've hung out once alone and went to a few school events together and we meet up on campus to do homework every now and again. She flirts with me and we talk literally all day, every day pretty much, but I asked her to go to dinner + hang out after with me last Friday and she agreed but then the day came and she was "sick," which it seems like she was, but she went to class that day and work, so i was a bit skeptical. And now over the weekend, we barely talked except for when she asked me what days I had free to reschedule this week and now today when we're talking, she seems super distant, like I'm annoying her.

I'm really starting to like her but now I'm unsure if she's feeling it too with the recent change in her attitude. So Gaf: Should I tell her I like her and see what happens? Should I ask her on a "date" officially and not beat around the bush? Should I give up and move on since I seem to be annoying her, maybe?

any help would be appreciative.
 
^If you like her ask her out. If she says no, move on.

Which is great for you Lucian, but gaf is not a dating website. It's awesome that you met someone really cool. I just don't think it's comparable meeting someone organically online on a non dating site vs a dating site.

For me personally, I just don't want to be listed on some dating site with specs like I'm a piece of hardware.

Texting is so impersonal, what happened to the days when we would call each other on the phone and talk.

Talking over the the phone isn't organic and it's so easy to hide your true intentions. Why not talk face-to-face.

If online dating isn't for you no one is forcing you to do it. There are plenty of articles and information out there. It's becoming a more socially acceptable way to meet and date people.
 
Okay Dating-Gaf, looking for some advice on when or when not to give up.

This girl and I had a class over j-term of this year, talked a few times, class ended. I added her on Facebook and we got to talking on there, then via text/snap chat etc. I found out she had a date on Valentine's Day so i promptly stopped talking to her until she texted me a few days later and I asked how her Valentine's was and she responded with "He ditched me" So, we started talking again, since I felt I wasn't stepping on the other dude's toes.

To cut it short (lol), We've hung out once alone and went to a few school events together and we meet up on campus to do homework every now and again. She flirts with me and we talk literally all day, every day pretty much, but I asked her to go to dinner + hang out after with me last Friday and she agreed but then the day came and she was "sick," which it seems like she was, but she went to class that day and work, so i was a bit skeptical. And now over the weekend, we barely talked except for when she asked me what days I had free to reschedule this week and now today when we're talking, she seems super distant, like I'm annoying her.

I'm really starting to like her but now I'm unsure if she's feeling it too with the recent change in her attitude. So Gaf: Should I tell her I like her and see what happens? Should I ask her on a "date" officially and not beat around the bush? Should I give up and move on since I seem to be annoying her, maybe?

any help would be appreciative.

She's not into you.

  1. She is talking to you and has a date for Valentines that isn't you
  2. She makes plans and then cancels with a flimsy excuse at the last minute
  3. She is creating distance between you two
Ask her out officially (and be super forward: say "Would you like to go on a date with me," and try to say it in person. Do not text her.) Do not expect her to say yes, since all the signs are there that she isn't interested. Sorry, dude. :( I've been there a hundred times and when you're in the middle of it, hope can cloud your judgment.
 
She's not into you.

  1. She is talking to you and has a date for Valentines that isn't you
  2. She makes plans and then cancels with a flimsy excuse at the last minute
  3. She is creating distance between you two
Ask her out officially (and be super forward: say "Would you like to go on a date with me," and try to say it in person. Do not text her.) Do not expect her to say yes, since all the signs are there that she isn't interested. Sorry, dude. :( I've been there a hundred times and when you're in the middle of it, hope can cloud your judgment.

Yeah, I'm definitely just going to ask her out on a date next time i see her, which is hopefully later today.

As for your points:
1. She had a date, true, but we weren't really talking then and I had no interest at that point, either way.
2. She was sick, as i saw her the morning of and she looked horrible, so I was the one who said "if you are too sick to go out just tell me." Then she cancelled last minute, so it wasn't a total blindside.
3. Yup, no refuting that.

I'll do my best not to hold out hope.

UPDATE: Saw her at school, stopped her and asked her to go to dinner (made it a point that it was a date) and she said sure. (Note: Not yes, just sure, but I'll take it). We've been talking like before, before this last weekend, the rest of the night (so not all distancey and more jokey/flirty again).
 
Yeah, I'm definitely just going to ask her out on a date next time i see her, which is hopefully later today.

As for your points:
1. She had a date, true, but we weren't really talking then and I had no interest at that point, either way.
2. She was sick, as i saw her the morning of and she looked horrible, so I was the one who said "if you are too sick to go out just tell me." Then she cancelled last minute, so it wasn't a total blindside.
3. Yup, no refuting that.

I'll do my best not to hold out hope.

From what I read there's some good and some bad. The good is that she is making a point to try and reschedule with you. If she didn't want to do anything she probably wouldn't do that, or try to make any time fur you at all.

The distance could be anything. She could just be irritated with other things. Busy with school. Our you're the side guy and the valentine guy came back around.

Reschedule and go on a date with this girl. If she cancels again drop her. Try to take the flirting a little further and see how she responds.
 
I'm meeting her on Tuesday now.

I don't have definite confirmations from either of them yet however, but fingers crossed!
It's now all confirmed and I must say I'm pretty nervous haha.

I wasn't expecting her to respond in the end.

The date tomorrow doesn't look likely however.
 
So an update about the girl I dated last week:

I told her I really enjoyed our meeting and asked how one of her weekend activities went. She replied fairly quick in detail, said she enjoyed it too and asked if I was enjoying my weekend. I replied with a joke and asked if she was up for a game of glowgolf coming week (popular here). It took her 5 hours to reply. She told me that, while the idea is nice, she is busy every evening that week (naming all days explicitly) with a big smiley. This is not unlikely, as she already told me some events and it is her birthday. So I asked if she could make the Tue or Fr the week after and quickly got a reply that she should be able to make Tue, with the notion that she will check to know for sure tomorrow (it was midnight by now, seems reasonable). However, not all that surprisingly, the next day I heard nothing. A day later I congratulated her (birthday) and she thanked enthousiastic immediately.

I think she lost interest. But why still choose a specific day and make detailed, optimistic texts (including some small talk)? I assume the second date is not on anymore, so nothing to lose. Good idea to ask her tomorrow or something if she already checked?

I think she liked you but thought you cut off the date too quick. Maybe she felt a bit rejected.
She was speeding in front of you, and then giving you directions to get a bit of... empowerment back. I think you did well in not getting upset by her going faster, but you should have told her to follow you when she started giving you directions. Doesn't sound like something that may destroy the good you've build during the conversation, but don't bring this "incident" up next time you talk to her. Otherwise it will sound like you knew there's was "something" going on and you realized it too late. The fact that you highlighted this part of the date, instead of specific parts of the conversation, is significant.

Thanks! Sounds like a good point. If somebody would use the reason I used (and it was actually true, but not very specific and convincing) to cut a date short, I would feel kind of ditched actually. I already announced it when I ordered our last drink so thought it would not come as a surprise/be a problem. But right after I stood up she started acting notably different.

I do think she does not want a second date, considering her texting (see above).
 
It's now all confirmed and I must say I'm pretty nervous haha.

I wasn't expecting her to respond in the end.
Nice girl, but quite a bit bigger than I was expecting based on her pictures.

Not that it's a massive problem, but it's a slight turnoff for me. :/

I'm seeing her again on Friday however.
 
Nice girl, but quite a bit bigger than I was expecting based on her pictures.

Not that it's a massive problem, but it's a slight turnoff for me. :/

I'm seeing her again on Friday however.
She went for a kiss at the end, but because I wasn't feeling the evening I pulled away.

I feel like such an arsehole. :(

I don't know what's wrong with me.
 
She went for a kiss at the end, but because I wasn't feeling the evening I pulled away.

I feel like such an arsehole. :(

I don't know what's wrong with me.

There's nothing wrong with you. If you weren't feeling it, then you weren't feeling it. You're not obligated to kiss anybody.
 
Put a profile up on a dating site, took pictures down, kind of want to "turtle" and shut it down after I few, fairly brief convos on it. It's partly a lack of confidence and partly being afraid of meeting someone new who might like me and be a distraction from other things I need to focus on. Cancelled on date-like plans I had next week too.
what am I doing .-.
 
Been on two dates since I last posted, the last of which was last night. That post was about when the girl I'm dating said she has difficulty catching real feelings for people, that it can take a long time and she doens't want to hurt me. I brushed this off and we went on another date two weeks ago. Even though there were some more suggestive signals that night, I was waiting for her to bring the issue up, and nothing really happened. After that I felt she got a bit more distant, saying she had tons of work in school so the upcoming week and a half was a no-go. We kept the texting up but she started going a really long time between them, sometimes up to six hours. That's a lot in my book at least, considering it was like tops one hour for a month straight before that. Anyway.

So finally, exactly two weeks after the first date I describe in this post, we meet again. Before this I've kind of been expecting us to have a great time as usual, but that she would break it off at the end. However when I meet her, she wears red lipstick, which he hasn't done before, and a quite deep cut shirt, which she hasn't before. I'm pretty tone deaf to social signals (especially when it comes to dating), but even I can't miss that this screams "kiss me you dumb nut". So at the end of the date I pull a line I rehearsed (just easier for me that way) and kiss her. She kisses me back and it's all magical, then I run for the bus which I intentionally timed, lol. Anyway, that's my livejournal piece.
 
Already posted in Online dating thread, but just have to vent sorry.
Talking and snaping for two weeks constantly, clicked so well, had a mutual friend who could vouch for us both. Hid my profile, stopped speaking to another girl who I'd already been on a date with.
First date is even a musical of her favorite film, thought it was going be perfect......no chemistry in real life :'(, I'm destroyed, think this is the hit to put me out of the game for a while.
 
Already posted in Online dating thread, but just have to vent sorry.
Talking and snaping for two weeks constantly, clicked so well, had a mutual friend who could vouch for us both. Hid my profile, stopped speaking to another girl who I'd already been on a date with.
First date is even a musical of her favorite film, thought it was going be perfect......no chemistry in real life :'(, I'm destroyed, think this is the hit to put me out of the game for a while.
Why didn't you go out before two weeks if you're taking that much?
 
On the plus side you can speak with the other girl. Though next time, there's no reason to stop speaking with her, given that you cut her off for a first date/first time meeting.
 
Hi Dating GA, I need some advice, yesterday I went with my uncle to see a Mustang Cobra on sale, the owner of the car was a really nice girl, and i have the chance to talk a bit with her, it was a really short conversation, but I notice she was very near of me on all the talk (Yeah, it could be some relation with the car, I suck at reading corporal language lol ) anyway, I forgot to ask her number, because I really want to meet her, my uncle notice how I was interesed on her, and he gave me her number, and now I don't know what I can do, should I can send a message to her saying hi? Or should I need to approach on another way?
 
So I was in a bar, a girl asked me about my sign, and when I told her I didn't know what it was she stopped talking to me. Some how I feel like maybe that's the best thing that could have happened.
 
Had my suspicions but just found out my SO of three years doesn't love me anymore. We got into this huge fight and I've been crying for hours & have this HUGE headache and unmendable broken heart. I'm laying I bed while he's out onthe couch. I feel so alone and broken :( not sure what to do but cry. I'm I so much pain!!!!
 
Had my suspicions but just found out my SO of three years doesn't love me anymore. We got into this huge fight and I've been crying for hours & have this HUGE headache and unmendable broken heart. I'm laying I bed while he's out onthe couch. I feel so alone and broken :( not sure what to do but cry. I'm I so much pain!!!!

Sorry to hear that. It's hard but if that's the way he feels, there isn't much you can do to change it. Make sure to contact a friend or family and don't be afraid to be open with them, it'll help a lot having someone you can rely on and talk to.
 
Hey Gaf! So I'm in a bit of a strange position and am looking for a little advice- I'll start off saying both me and the person I'm into are the shy types.

I'm currently attending University and was put into a group to present in one of my classes. I did a bit of chatting with one of the girls in the group and she seems really cool. We're both the nerdy type and seem to have hit it off pretty well while we were working, but all our interactions have been in a group work setting. Everyone in the group exchanged numbers to help with the project, so I already have her phone number. Last week our group presented our work, disbanded, and now we're all off for the week for spring break.

Now normally I would have asked for her number before we left and talked to her over the break, but I'd already had it. I'm at a loss with what I should do in this situation. I was thinking about calling at some point during and asking if she wanted to get together after break was over, but I feel like that might be taken as weird.

Its been about 4 days since our group presented, and I'm probably not going to be running into her at all outside of the class due to differing majors. I'm pretty sure she's single. (Advice appreciated!)
 
So I was in a bar, a girl asked me about my sign, and when I told her I didn't know what it was she stopped talking to me. Some how I feel like maybe that's the best thing that could have happened.

I agree.. I mean, if she cares about that enough to ask, then won't even make a conversation of helping you figure it out? Booo

Have no one else to rely on or talk to

Maybe focusing on dating right now isn't the best thing for you then?
 
Hey Gaf! So I'm in a bit of a strange position and am looking for a little advice- I'll start off saying both me and the person I'm into are the shy types.

I'm currently attending University and was put into a group to present in one of my classes. I did a bit of chatting with one of the girls in the group and she seems really cool. We're both the nerdy type and seem to have hit it off pretty well while we were working, but all our interactions have been in a group work setting. Everyone in the group exchanged numbers to help with the project, so I already have her phone number. Last week our group presented our work, disbanded, and now we're all off for the week for spring break.

Now normally I would have asked for her number before we left and talked to her over the break, but I'd already had it. I'm at a loss with what I should do in this situation. I was thinking about calling at some point during and asking if she wanted to get together after break was over, but I feel like that might be taken as weird.

Its been about 4 days since our group presented, and I'm probably not going to be running into her at all outside of the class due to differing majors. I'm pretty sure she's single. (Advice appreciated!)


Just message her and stop over thinking it. Ask her to coffee/drinks. If she says yes, awesome. If she says no, drop the number.
 
Its been about 4 days since our group presented, and I'm probably not going to be running into her at all outside of the class due to differing majors. I'm pretty sure she's single. (Advice appreciated!)

How long is your break? If it's only like a week I would just text/call her, tell her you think she's cute, and ask if she'd be interested in grabbing a drink/coffee/etc sometime after you get back from break.

There's a lot of times where I've felt like I hit it off with someone in similar situations and wished they'd make a move. Perhaps she feels the same as you but is too shy to say anything. And if not, she'll simply say no, and you can move on without wondering.
 
You didn't read the post where it is explained that the SO of 3 years doesn't love Belle Amour anymore

No I didn't. I'm really sorry. I'm new and have rarely poked my head in here. I took what you said at face value without context, Belle Amour. That's rough as heck- if you're feeling lost please don't feel like you can't talk here! We're responding because we want to give you a place to get things out and know people care and want to hear you out. Ignore my insensitive, ignorant comment.
 
How long is your break? If it's only like a week I would just text/call her, tell her you think she's cute, and ask if she'd be interested in grabbing a drink/coffee/etc sometime after you get back from break.

There's a lot of times where I've felt like I hit it off with someone in similar situations and wished they'd make a move. Perhaps she feels the same as you but is too shy to say anything. And if not, she'll simply say no, and you can move on without wondering.

Word, thanks for the advice, I'll give her a call.
 
Ugh, talk about the worst Spring Break I've ever had. How much have I fucked things up for myself? This is going to be an insanely long post, I appreciate anyone who reads this and can offer up advice. I've included chat messages I've sent so that you guys can tell me if I sound crazy. Been seeing that awesome guy for almost a month. Spending the weekends together, and one day on the weekday. Texting each other all the time, mostly him telling me he can't wait to see me again. We have a date planned on the 7th.

Ok, so Friday, March 6th, I'm hanging with my friends, he with his and we are texting back and forth. I tell him be prepared for affectionate drunk texts, which he doesn't mind and loves them. Anyways, I'm not a big drug user (I've taken mescaline once, MXE 4 times, and have split a hit of molly once). Anyways, I do a line of MXE and tell him, and he seems ok with it. His phone is weird and he gets texts out of order and very late.

Saturday: He's super hung over and comes to my place late. Seems a little strange, tells me he missed me and we finally end up sleeping together (we were having performance issues). We spend the night hanging out together, go to bars, go to jazz clubs, etc. Sleep together again.
Sunday march 7: Stays until about 1, lay and talk.

Monday march 8: Invites me out for a date next Friday, March 20th. I'm out with friends for a while, drinking. I ask if he's busy this weekend, he tells me he will be with his family and friday he will be drinking with friends, but that he's free Tuesday-Thursday this week.
During this time, I get drunk and ask If I could come over (he's talked about me sleeping over during the weekday because he loves waking up to me). I send it but suddenly realize how rude it is to just invite myself over. I show it to my friend, who is equally drunk. He takes my phone, as a prank, and sends a text saying I love you. As I said before his phone is weird so basically the order he gets the texts and calls are totally out of order. He gets the I love you text, then the come over, and although I quickly call him to tell him what happened, he just sees a missed call.

This freaks him out, he doesnt get my text message saying that a friend had sent that until 20 minutes later, giving him plenty of time to freak out. Even after explaining things to him, he's still upset, because during that time, he had thought about anythign that possibly didn't work between us.... saying things have been going fast, which really hurt me.

Tuesday March 10: This, in turn, freaks me out, so I tell him if he wants to take things slow, then we can, and he can choose to contact me. This, to him, makes me sound dismissive, which freaks him out even more. Eventually he texts me saying he needs day or two to think about things, but about 7 hours later he texts me saying he's an idiot and to hang out the next day.

Wednesday March 11:Next day comes, he says theres a party at his apartment that his roommates are suddenly having, and that maybe the following day would be better. At first I'm fine with this, but then realize I need to talk about things now, so ask to meet him someplace in public. We talk and he pulls all these over analyzed fears out of nowhere. My occasional drug use (which he's done in the past), my intensity, my crazy mother, the fact that I've told my friends about him, which normally shouldn't freak him out. I calmly explain everything to him, and after we talk, he says he realized I've debunked everything he's worried about, so we go out to a bar, talk and have a great time, and go back to his place, where we sleep together again. During the time, of our conversation, I felt a little depressed and sad, as I felt like I had to sell myself to him. He kept nervously talking about how he's dug a hole for himself that he can't get out of. I stay the night.

Thursday March 12: He has work in the morning, so we get up. Wake him up with some sex, then he goes and takes a shower. I feel a little down, for some reason I wanted him to invite me to a shower. When he gets back I tell him I was a little bummed by it, as I probably wouldn't see him for a while and that I knew it was stupid and ridiculous that I felt like that. He drops me off, but somethings still rubbing me the wrong way. I realize it's that I felt like I basically had to sell myself to him for an hour during the conversation where I debunked his notions about me, and I was unsure about his feelings, so I send him this message:
I'll be honest, part of me worries I wont feel comfortable being myself around you. I'm an intense person and the fact that you brought that up as a negative worries me a lot. It's kind of what was on my mind this morning, why I couldn't sleep.
Hopefully it's just because last night was so fresh. I just got really nervous once we were at the bar and having expressed myself. Part of me felt like I had to sell myself to you last night when we were talking. It certainly didn't affect my feelings or attraction for you, mostly just affected my idea of your feelings and perception of me.
Sorry, this isn't intended to make you nervous, or make you think I want things to end. That certainly isn't the case. I really am crazy about you and see the possibility for something long term, at least on my end.[he and I have both told each other we are crazy about one another, me only recently, but he had been telling me that for a whileI guess I'm just feeling insecure after some of the things said last night, mostly the stuff about my personality. Also sorry to pull all this out of nowhere suddenly, just needed to get it off my chest. I knew you were in a hurry this morning and figured I'd tell you when I collected my thoughts and understood why I actually felt bummed this morning instead of assuming it was due to a lack of a shower.
I wish I could've talked to you about this in person, but I needed some time and once I realized what was up, I have to express them sooner than next week, assuming that would be the next time I see you. I'm really glad we could talk though. I feel better than I did the last couple of days and spending time talking with you at the bar/ in bed with you was wonderful as always.

I dont get a response, but I call him to apologize, realizing I was just being insecure. This is all via facebook because of his shitty phone, so I can see that he's read my messages. Around 8 hours after reading it, i get a response:
Hi, sorry this is a lot to digest and I'm too drunk and slightly high to have a conversation about it. I know you made the wound analogy last night, but I'm useless right now.
Wound analogy was me telling him its better to communicate and heal things fast instead of letting wounds fester. I tell him its ok, that we can talk about it some other time.

Friday Mach 13: I finally get a response from him late afternoon, granted, he works full time 9-5.
Ok, sorry to take forever to respond. Yesterday was a mess and today is a shit show at work. And so it goes.
So honestly, this is troubling if you don’t feel like you can be yourself around me. It was what I was getting at when I said I thought I had dug myself a hole (which you said I had not) when I was trying to explain why I was so unsure/freaked out about things. I said a lot of things that had been racing through my head, and I know some of them were probably lousy or even hurtful to hear. I don’t blame you for feeling weird about things after that.
I think of myself as a very intuitive person, so when my gut tells me something I tend to listen and I’m a very stubborn Taurus – as you know. I’m sorry you had to defend your personality or sell me on it. I put you in a really shitty spot.
I don’t know, I’m sorry I’ve made things more complicated than they need to be, and I’m probably not doing much to help clear things up with this response either.

This says absolutely nothing, I thought everything was ok, but suddenly it sounds like he's freaking out about things again. I try and stay calm and send him this message:

It's ok. I understand the moment I sent it, I probably was just having a bout of insecurities. I'm extremely perceptive, which usually keeps me grounded, but then my own self esteem issues come in and mess me up. Like I've told you, I spend a lot of time thinking introspectively, trying to understand myself and others. I know I've had no problem being myself with you in the past, I was probably just nervous and scared having had to stay calm and collected during the Pepsi Discussion, stuff like that will naturally make me a little nervous and riled up afterwards. The only thing that bugged me was the intense thing, but really you've been spending time with me, asking when you can see me again. I shouldn't worry, it's obvious you like me.

Everything else I shrugged off because I knew the moment you spend more time with me, the moment you'd realize it wasn't the case. That all this anxiety and worry stemmed from some asshole that made me seem extra crazy. You wondered why you reacted like that, like I said, anyone would react like that as only a completely crazy person would do that, then they'd look at the past as see little things as possible signs they missed.

And I know you're intuitive, but Tauruses are also over analyzers. It's ok, Scorpios are extremely perceptive, but tend to think the worse of a situation. Anyways, the only thing I can do at this point is be myself and I shouldn't worry about the consequences anymore. We've had great dates together, yeah, they have been intense but things have been intense on both of our sides. I think that has to do with us being so compatible. It's really scary for both of us. The fact that its so scary for both of us is an indication of how much we really like each other and have a connection, as we each feel like we have more to lose.
Anyways, I know you're stubborn, but I'm hoping you wont let a situation/misunderstanding that was completely out of our control end things between us. Hope your day becomes a little less stressful tonight and your mom has a nice birthday tomorrow!

I know he's busy friday, saturday and sunday (visiting his family for mom's birthday before they move far away) and friday night he is out with friends for one of their birthdays.

Saturday:Saturday I send him a text in the evening telling him I hope he has a nice time, that things are less stressful this weekend, and he's having a good time celebrating with his mom. No response.

I'm fine with all this, but then, something horrible happens. Normally I call my mom whenever I get home from my studio, to let them know I'm ok. I've moved 1500 miles away and they are not handling things well (stress from taking care of my grandmother with alzheimers). I accidentally fall asleep in my studio having worked late and forgot to call them...
Sunday: At 5 am I get a barrage of texts from people including the guy I'm seeing. This comes as a text and not through facebook:
Him: Hey, your parents just sent me a long facebook message saying they are extremely worried because you never called them last night. Please call them asap and let them know you are okay.

Me: I'm sorry about that.

Him: It's OK, hope you are okay and everything is fine.

Me: I'm fine, I just seem to have an insurmountable amount of bad luck lately. Was just working in the stuios as its empty right now and accidentally fell asleep while researching.

Him: It's okay, I assumed as much. Just glad you are fine.

After I've talked to friends who were worried, and talked to my crying mother (my parents messaged a bunch of people) I send him this text:

Thanks, I know I should be giving you space to think about things, and you've been super busy, but this morning shook me up a little. Is there any chance you'd be free sometime to talk about things? I understand you're busy or if things are too stressful at the moment.

After that, nothing, so I decide to let him decide when to come to me. I tell my roommate about the situation and she asks if I told him that other people were contacted, that he wasn't singled out by my parents. I realize he may have misinterpreted everything so I send him one last FB message:
Hey, sorry for bugging you while you're with your family, but I just wanted to apologize again for this morning. I also wanted to let you know you weren't the only one they messaged, they also messaged my roommates, friends, etc. I talked to them about it and they told me you were actually one of the last people they contacted. Waking up this morning to a ton concerned messages was probably one of the most embarrassing things in the world for me. Anyways, I just don't want you to think they singled you out or anything. At this point, if anyone's digging a hole for themselves, it's me, damn. When it rains, it pours right? I'll let you sort things out, certainly don't expect a response or anything, but I just needed you to know.

People on another forum told me I was smothering him, that I was being clingy and scaring him away. I just wanted to explain things, because he completely misinterpreted so much Wednesday night, that I'm out every night, that I do drugs all the time, and that I expect to hang out with him constantly. I do invite him out a lot, but its just to let him know I'm thinking of him and have never been upset when he's been busy.

Have I really fucked up? It seems like all of this is due to third party interventions that have fucked everything up. How long should I actually wait to get a reply? I was upset about things, assuming they were over by the lack of a response, so I went out on a date friday night, but could only think about this guy. Also, he's had terrible luck with relationships, usually lasting a month before they dump him, his longest one lasting 6 months and she was extremely abusive to him. I know he's probably terrified of getting hurt, but I really have no intention of that.

TLDR: A series of unfortunate events possibly tears us apart. Guy takes my phone as a prank and tells guy I'm seeing that I love him, he freaks out, then freaks out that he's freaking out and has been confused ever since. If possible, read the Quoted sections. It's clear he's crazy about me, but scared of getting hurt. Then parents probably terrify him by asking if he's seen me via facebook. He's pretty much given the silent treatment since. He works 9-5, but texting me has never been a problem, and was busy with family this weekend.
 

I've lurked around for a while, and seen most of your posts here. Honestly, it's probably best to just give him a couple days to process everything. It seems like a lot has happened, so I'd just say give him a little space for a few days, and then try to get in touch with him again if he hasn't tried to contact you since then.

I will say that I think it's great that you're talking to him about this, and conveying your feelings--I believe that ended up being a problem with the last guy, if I'm remembering correctly. It's good that it seems that he's also bringing up his insecurities, and that you essentially debunked them on Wednesday. It might have seemed like you had to sell yourself, but I personally feel that it was more getting things out in the open, rather than him just keeping it inside and wondering. Communication is good! But then again, I can't comment on the actual tone of the conversation, because depending on how the conversation was played out and the context, you could be totally right with that assumption; I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt right now.

I don't think you've messed anything up, I just think you gotta give him a little time. :)
 
So a little update from me. For those that don't remember, I was dating two women for awhile trying to figure out which one was better for me. Woman A had one big pro being that she was a super gamer nerd, but a bunch of cons as well. Woman B had a bunch of normal pros, just overall a normal gal, and really not any meaningful cons to speak of.

On Friday, my cat, Zack, passed away. He was going to be six years old in May. I rescued him after he was abandoned in my dad's backyard when he was barely two weeks old. It was sudden, traggic, unexpected, and left me completely devastated. Both women consoled me but woman B definitely shined in showing compassion and that she wanted to be there for me as much as possible.

So I'm in a relationship now, which I'm happy about. But Zack was like a son to me, and I'm just so depressed over losing him. I thought being cheated on after a three year relationship hurt. Losing Zack like this has left me in shambles. So just a general PSA to all of you animal owners out there: give your companion(s) some love, you never know when life is going to decide and fuck you over.
 
Ugh, talk about the worst Spring Break I've ever had. How much have I fucked things up for myself? This is going to be an insanely long post, I appreciate anyone who reads this and can offer up advice. I've included chat messages I've sent so that you guys can tell me if I sound crazy. Been seeing that awesome guy for almost a month. Spending the weekends together, and one day on the weekday. Texting each other all the time, mostly him telling me he can't wait to see me again. We have a date planned on the 7th.

Ok, so Friday, March 6th, I'm hanging with my friends, he with his and we are texting back and forth. I tell him be prepared for affectionate drunk texts, which he doesn't mind and loves them. Anyways, I'm not a big drug user (I've taken mescaline once, MXE 4 times, and have split a hit of molly once). Anyways, I do a line of MXE and tell him, and he seems ok with it. His phone is weird and he gets texts out of order and very late.

Saturday: He's super hung over and comes to my place late. Seems a little strange, tells me he missed me and we finally end up sleeping together (we were having performance issues). We spend the night hanging out together, go to bars, go to jazz clubs, etc. Sleep together again.
Sunday march 7: Stays until about 1, lay and talk.

Monday march 8: Invites me out for a date next Friday, March 20th. I'm out with friends for a while, drinking. I ask if he's busy this weekend, he tells me he will be with his family and friday he will be drinking with friends, but that he's free Tuesday-Thursday this week.
During this time, I get drunk and ask If I could come over (he's talked about me sleeping over during the weekday because he loves waking up to me). I send it but suddenly realize how rude it is to just invite myself over. I show it to my friend, who is equally drunk. He takes my phone, as a prank, and sends a text saying I love you. As I said before his phone is weird so basically the order he gets the texts and calls are totally out of order. He gets the I love you text, then the come over, and although I quickly call him to tell him what happened, he just sees a missed call.

This freaks him out, he doesnt get my text message saying that a friend had sent that until 20 minutes later, giving him plenty of time to freak out. Even after explaining things to him, he's still upset, because during that time, he had thought about anythign that possibly didn't work between us.... saying things have been going fast, which really hurt me.

Tuesday March 10: This, in turn, freaks me out, so I tell him if he wants to take things slow, then we can, and he can choose to contact me. This, to him, makes me sound dismissive, which freaks him out even more. Eventually he texts me saying he needs day or two to think about things, but about 7 hours later he texts me saying he's an idiot and to hang out the next day.

Wednesday March 11:Next day comes, he says theres a party at his apartment that his roommates are suddenly having, and that maybe the following day would be better. At first I'm fine with this, but then realize I need to talk about things now, so ask to meet him someplace in public. We talk and he pulls all these over analyzed fears out of nowhere. My occasional drug use (which he's done in the past), my intensity, my crazy mother, the fact that I've told my friends about him, which normally shouldn't freak him out. I calmly explain everything to him, and after we talk, he says he realized I've debunked everything he's worried about, so we go out to a bar, talk and have a great time, and go back to his place, where we sleep together again. During the time, of our conversation, I felt a little depressed and sad, as I felt like I had to sell myself to him. He kept nervously talking about how he's dug a hole for himself that he can't get out of. I stay the night.

Thursday March 12: He has work in the morning, so we get up. Wake him up with some sex, then he goes and takes a shower. I feel a little down, for some reason I wanted him to invite me to a shower. When he gets back I tell him I was a little bummed by it, as I probably wouldn't see him for a while and that I knew it was stupid and ridiculous that I felt like that. He drops me off, but somethings still rubbing me the wrong way. I realize it's that I felt like I basically had to sell myself to him for an hour during the conversation where I debunked his notions about me, and I was unsure about his feelings, so I send him this message:


I dont get a response, but I call him to apologize, realizing I was just being insecure. This is all via facebook because of his shitty phone, so I can see that he's read my messages. Around 8 hours after reading it, i get a response:
Wound analogy was me telling him its better to communicate and heal things fast instead of letting wounds fester. I tell him its ok, that we can talk about it some other time.

Friday Mach 13: I finally get a response from him late afternoon, granted, he works full time 9-5.

This says absolutely nothing, I thought everything was ok, but suddenly it sounds like he's freaking out about things again. I try and stay calm and send him this message:



I know he's busy friday, saturday and sunday (visiting his family for mom's birthday before they move far away) and friday night he is out with friends for one of their birthdays.

Saturday:Saturday I send him a text in the evening telling him I hope he has a nice time, that things are less stressful this weekend, and he's having a good time celebrating with his mom. No response.

I'm fine with all this, but then, something horrible happens. Normally I call my mom whenever I get home from my studio, to let them know I'm ok. I've moved 1500 miles away and they are not handling things well (stress from taking care of my grandmother with alzheimers). I accidentally fall asleep in my studio having worked late and forgot to call them...
Sunday: At 5 am I get a barrage of texts from people including the guy I'm seeing. This comes as a text and not through facebook:


After I've talked to friends who were worried, and talked to my crying mother (my parents messaged a bunch of people) I send him this text:



After that, nothing, so I decide to let him decide when to come to me. I tell my roommate about the situation and she asks if I told him that other people were contacted, that he wasn't singled out by my parents. I realize he may have misinterpreted everything so I send him one last FB message:


People on another forum told me I was smothering him, that I was being clingy and scaring him away. I just wanted to explain things, because he completely misinterpreted so much Wednesday night, that I'm out every night, that I do drugs all the time, and that I expect to hang out with him constantly. I do invite him out a lot, but its just to let him know I'm thinking of him and have never been upset when he's been busy.

Have I really fucked up? It seems like all of this is due to third party interventions that have fucked everything up. How long should I actually wait to get a reply? I was upset about things, assuming they were over by the lack of a response, so I went out on a date friday night, but could only think about this guy. Also, he's had terrible luck with relationships, usually lasting a month before they dump him, his longest one lasting 6 months and she was extremely abusive to him. I know he's probably terrified of getting hurt, but I really have no intention of that.

TLDR: A series of unfortunate events possibly tears us apart. Guy takes my phone as a prank and tells guy I'm seeing that I love him, he freaks out, then freaks out that he's freaking out and has been confused ever since. If possible, read the Quoted sections. It's clear he's crazy about me, but scared of getting hurt. Then parents probably terrify him by asking if he's seen me via facebook. He's pretty much given the silent treatment since. He works 9-5, but texting me has never been a problem, and was busy with family this weekend.

First of all you should be angry at your friend who sent that text message. Whether it's a joke or not, it's not a mature thing to do which is essentially playing with someone's emotions. I know it wasn't you but they should know that doing that is uncool.

Secondly I think to some degree things escalated too quickly. I've seen very similar situations before where something awkward happens and then it just continues to spiral down because it's not let go. There is reason to not let it go but it's also too early for these conversations to be happening. It was very early in the relationship for you two so it should've been all smiles and less confrontational situations. Couples can deal with and handle those better when they have been together longer and feel comfortable expressing their feelings to one another.

You need to firstly give him some space, he clearly likes you but you have now put too many ideas and thoughts in his head. The more you write, apologize and explore what happened the worse it will get. I know it's hard but you need to see if he begins to miss you, at least for now. If you happen to go out again it needs to be strictly about fun and no emotional subjects. You have to show him that you can hang and be comfortable, which I'm sure you can but the key early on is to keep emotions out of the picture. He's probably not responding because he doesn't know how to respond at this point. You almost need to pretend it never happened and move forward.
 
I've lurked around for a while, and seen most of your posts here. Honestly, it's probably best to just give him a couple days to process everything. It seems like a lot has happened, so I'd just say give him a little space for a few days, and then try to get in touch with him again if he hasn't tried to contact you since then.

I will say that I think it's great that you're talking to him about this, and conveying your feelings--I believe that ended up being a problem with the last guy, if I'm remembering correctly. It's good that it seems that he's also bringing up his insecurities, and that you essentially debunked them on Wednesday. It might have seemed like you had to sell yourself, but I personally feel that it was more getting things out in the open, rather than him just keeping it inside and wondering. Communication is good! But then again, I can't comment on the actual tone of the conversation, because depending on how the conversation was played out and the context, you could be totally right with that assumption; I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt right now.

I don't think you've messed anything up, I just think you gotta give him a little time. :)
Yeah, he was actually shocked I was so calm and collected at communicating with him...as hes the calm one while I'm the intense one. It may be because I've had a lot of high intense drama surround my life, so when I absolutely need to be, I can slow down and completely look at things at a logical way, especially when communicating to others. Then when I'm by myself, left to my own thoughts I mess things up. I had to go and mess it up by telling him the next day about my insecurities about selling myself. I hope he really reads the last long message I sent. I know I'm an emotionally intense person. I'm extremely black and white, passionate and driven. He loves that about me, but it also scares him. But if its someone I care about, I try really hard to explain things in a calm, collected manner. (of course, I have my limits).

First of all you should be angry at your friend who sent that text message. Whether it's a joke or not, it's not a mature thing to do which is essentially playing with someone's emotions. I know it wasn't you but they should know that doing that is uncool.

Secondly I think to some degree things escalated too quickly. I've seen very similar situations before where something awkward happens and then it just continues to spiral down because it's not let go. There is reason to not let it go but it's also too early for these conversations to be happening. It was very early in the relationship for you two so it should've been all smiles and less confrontational situations. Couples can deal with and handle those better when they have been together longer and feel comfortable expressing their feelings to one another.

You need to firstly give him some space, he clearly likes you but you have now put too many ideas and thoughts in his head. The more you write, apologize and explore what happened the worse it will get. I know it's hard but you need to see if he begins to miss you, at least for now. If you happen to go out again it needs to be strictly about fun and no emotional subjects. You have to show him that you can hang and be comfortable, which I'm sure you can but the key early on is to keep emotions out of the picture. He's probably not responding because he doesn't know how to respond at this point. You almost need to pretend it never happened and move forward.

Yeah, I'm totally up for resetting everything and having a good time again. I miss him a lot. I also think I'll never forgive my friend for what he did. He texted the guy letting him know it was him and he was sorry and messed up, but i've never been so mad at someone before.

I'm going to try and be patient, give him time to decide. We had a date planned for this friday (a midnight movie that both of us are dying to see). I'm thinking, if I don't hear from him by thursday, to send him a message letting him know I'll be at the theater that night, and if he wants, he can come and we can act as if none of this ever happened. That I want to restart everything from before then and just enjoy each other and that everything is forgiven and that I miss him. I'll wait for him there, if he doesn't show up, I'll have my answer. That way, he will have been given a week to think about things. Then I'll go see a midnight horror movie alone. :I My friends have already offered to come with me, but that would be awkward if he did in fact show up, would be awkward if he didn't as well, cause then I'd be an emotional mess.

Does that sound too dramatic? Is that too threatening or too much of an ultimatum?

Did those messages I sent before sound clingy or overbearing?
Thanks for all the responses guys! Everyone was gone this weekend for spring break, so I was by myself, depressed and stuck in my bedroom for a week with a sprained ankle. Glad I went on the date on Friday, just to take my mind off things. Guy was super smart, so cute, and we loved the same music (experimental hip hop) but I couldn't get passed the other guy... Funny because they are exact opposites: My guy, super tall, blond, blue eyes and brawny, graphic designer that loves food, passionate and very picky. The other guy: tallish, half japanese, dark wavy hair, super skinny, a semester away from a phd in physics. Totally unpassionate about most things except music, philosophy and science. Doesn't even care about food!
 
I tell him be prepared for affectionate drunk texts, which he doesn't mind and loves them. Anyways, I'm not a big drug user (I've taken mescaline once, MXE 4 times, and have split a hit of molly once). Anyways, I do a line of MXE and tell him, and he seems ok with it. His phone is weird and he gets texts out of order and very late.
Despite what he might say, try to avoid drunk texts. Great way to make an unintended mistake. You always want to deal with relationships with a sober mind. Also, you need to be more sure of yourself. If you want to do drugs, then do drugs. Don't message him saying "Hey, I'm doing drugs." Its like you're seeking his approval. If I was the guy receiving that message I'd just think "Uhhhhh... okay?"

Arsenic Yellow said:
He takes my phone, as a prank, and sends a text saying I love you.
Slap your friend. Seriously.

Arsenic Yellow said:
Thursday March 12: He has work in the morning, so we get up. Wake him up with some sex, then he goes and takes a shower. I feel a little down, for some reason I wanted him to invite me to a shower. When he gets back I tell him I was a little bummed by it, as I probably wouldn't see him for a while and that I knew it was stupid and ridiculous that I felt like that. He drops me off, but somethings still rubbing me the wrong way.
You need to control your feelings more. Most people don't know how to deal with other's feelings and thus get overwhelmed. You had sex in the morning but then became insecure because he didn't invite you to shower? What if he just wanted to shower alone? Lots of people, despite liking their significant other, also may want some alone time. Guy had to get ready for work, maybe he just wanted to shower in silence before a 9-5 grind.

Try to play your spots when it comes to divulging feelings and having talks. The more you do it, the more needy you sound. And the more you fulfill his own thoughts about you potentially being needy.

Arsenic Yellow said:
Have I really fucked up? It seems like all of this is due to third party interventions that have fucked everything up. How long should I actually wait to get a reply? I was upset about things, assuming they were over by the lack of a response, so I went out on a date friday night, but could only think about this guy. Also, he's had terrible luck with relationships, usually lasting a month before they dump him, his longest one lasting 6 months and she was extremely abusive to him. I know he's probably terrified of getting hurt, but I really have no intention of that.
You need to stop and give him space. That means dropping contact for a bit. Get him off your mind a few days, show him that you're truly not clingy or anything like that. Don't give him more ammo by sending him more messages and more apologies.

The fact is you're very intense and very open about your feelings. This is all good but you must understand that the average guy will not respond well to it. Lots of guys and girls have an inherent and subconscious "fear" about becoming too serious with someone. They feel like their youth is about to be stripped away and that they'll be chained to responsibilities for all eternity.

I always tell people to keep it casual until the time is absolutely right. The reason for that is because you want to show the other person that you're laid back and don't come with any baggage. That way, the casual nature of the relationship erodes organically over time.

What you've been doing is basically taking him on a roller coaster and giving him too many things to deal with. That's why he suddenly started complaining about drugs and whatever, because he was looking for something to justify his current stance.

Seriously, just stop talking to him for a few days. Take a break, go outside for a walk. See some friends. Watch some porn. Play some games. He will come back to you if he likes you, this is merely your way of showing him that you can back off and give him space.

Any questions, please ask. Good luck!
 
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