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[PHOENIXZERO]

Last night's episode garnered a series low 1.2 in the 18-49 demo and oddly, maybe the first episode that was higher in the older 25-54 bracket with a 1.4? Still higher than anything in general on the CW and it'll certainly jump up when L+3 comes in.


As for the two Barry thing

Spoiler

there is two Barry Flashes fighting in the PaleyFest trailer

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[Tabby]

Here's what I don't get: the first time Barry sees himself, he sticks around, while his future self seems to disappear. However, the second time we get that scene, the future version sticks around, while the past version seems to disappear. They even end up with the same "braking" pose in both instances.

'Sup with that?

Speedforce...?
In a show involving The Flash you just have to ignore these things, like in the 2nd Rogue episode why Flash didn't just take their guns.

 

[Septimus Prime]

Speedforce...?
In a show involving The Flash you just have to ignore these things, like in the 2nd Rogue episode why Flash didn't just take their guns.

Indeed. This one is actually easier for me to ignore than "cross the beams."

Also, I wonder why Barry was hundreds of years in the future ("was" in the future!? How do I even conjugate this nonsense?) in the first place. My assumption is that after he disappears from 2024 or whenever, he just happens to show up in Eobard's time. I'm curious why Wells wants him to show up then at all, though, since if he never shows up, he wouldn't take Eobard to his past, and the entire premise of the show could be avoided.

 

[More_Badass]

Indeed. This one is actually easier for me to ignore than "cross the beams."

Also, I wonder why Barry was hundreds of years in the future ("was" in the future!? How do I even conjugate this nonsense?) in the first place. My assumption is that after he disappears from 2024 or whenever, he just happens to show up in Eobard's time. I'm curious why Wells wants him to show up then at all, though, since if he never shows up, he wouldn't take Eobard to his past, and the entire premise of the show could be avoided.

Huh? Where did you get that Barry also went to the far future?

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

I think the laziest part of the show is when Barry is right there, but somehow the villain gets away to set up for the final confrontation. They did it twice in this last episode:

1) Barry pulls Joe from the car right before the lightning hits. They watch the car explode. Well... now what? Weather Wizard is still right there, sitting behind the car, right? Why doesn't Barry change into the Flash and fight the Wizard in his car? But no, we just get a commercial break and it's just assumed that Wizard somehow vanished and escaped. Huh?

2) Wizard goes to the CCPD, strikes Captain Singh with lightning, and leaves. Barry races right over and carries Singh to the hospital. But with his speed, he can easily double back afterwards and return to the station. Weather Wizard is sure to be somewhere close to the station, since he doesn't have super speed. But no, somehow he manages to escape again.

what makes it worse is that he moved faster than lightning. He could have arrested the villain right there on that scene if he moved at a fraction of that speed for a second.

 

[Septimus Prime]

Huh? Where did you get that Barry also went to the far future?

I assume he did, since he and Eobard have been fighting "for a long time," according to RF, which means they would have met up. On top of this, there are two other things:

1. Barry disappears from 2024, so unless he becomes the Speedforce itself, he ends up somewhere/somewhen.
2. Eobard cannot time travel on his own and needs Barry's speed, so I presume Barry ends up in Eobard's time and time travels back to his own time, inadvertently taking RF with him.

Otherwise, why would Eobard be in the current time period at all?

 

[guek]

Last night's episode garnered a series low 1.2 in the 18-49 demo and oddly, maybe the first episode that was higher in the older 25-54 bracket with a 1.4?
[/SPOILER].

How strange. I expected it to bump up.

 

[Sou Da]

I assume he did, since he and Eobard have been fighting "for a long time," according to RF, which means they would have met up. On top of this, there are two other things:

1. Barry disappears from 2024, so unless he becomes the Speedforce itself, he ends up somewhere/somewhen.
2. Eobard cannot time travel on his own and needs Barry's speed, so I presume Barry ends up in Eobard's time and time travels back to his own time, inadvertently taking RF with him.

Otherwise, why would Eobard be in the current time period at all?

Makes sense, and then he tries to kill Barry as a child so that he never ends up going to the future in the first place?

 

[Purple Cheeto]

How strange. I expected it to bump up.

Maybe people forgot because of that long ass break.

 

[Xenoboy]

Well... this episode was something else. Goddamn.

 

[Smash88]

Maybe people forgot because of that long ass break.

I did. These long idiotic random breaks in between are annoying.

 

[Elginer]

Just got to catch up to last nights episode and damn. Best damn comic book show on TV. Every other damn week is some legit shit going down and Reverse Flash is one creepy looking mofo.

 

[guek]

Maybe people forgot because of that long ass break.

At least Shield had Agent Carter :-(

I'm extremely curious what these comicbook shows cost to make compared to other dramas or action shows. I'm fairly certain AoS has the bigger budget but they've got some wizards (heh) working effects at the CW for this show.

 

[Purple Cheeto]

At least Shield had Agent Carter :-(

I'm extremely curious what these comicbook shows cost to make compared to other dramas or action shows. I'm fairly certain AoS has the bigger budget but they've got some wizards (heh) working effects at the CW for this show.

A guy who works at the same company as me (different departments) told me he worked on the pilot for the Flash (and then left because apparently the place we are at has more stability or something). I wonder if he could provide me any insights on what goes into the effects on Flash.

 

[strafer]

I really hope Arrow brings their A game.

Hard to top this episode though.

 

[TripOpt55]

Just watched the episode. Insane. Great return for the show. Can't wait until next week.

 

[HeartlessNobody213]

I assume he did, since he and Eobard have been fighting "for a long time," according to RF, which means they would have met up. On top of this, there are two other things:

1. Barry disappears from 2024, so unless he becomes the Speedforce itself, he ends up somewhere/somewhen.
2. Eobard cannot time travel on his own and needs Barry's speed, so I presume Barry ends up in Eobard's time and time travels back to his own time, inadvertently taking RF with him.

Otherwise, why would Eobard be in the current time period at all?

I think Reverse Flash/Eobard traveled to future Flash's timeline and became a major enemy for him.

1.He realized that couldn't beat him at the time so he traveled in the past to kill young Barry but didn't account for Future Barry traveling in the past with him.

2. The resulting battle lead to Eobard losing his connection to the Speed Force or just basically draining him of a lot of his speed. I actually think Eobard can travel through time by himself, I just don't think he has the ability to do it at the moment.

3: What happened to Future Barry is still a big mystery. Where did he go after saving childhood Barry? Did he get lost in the time stream or possibly die?!? Who knows.

4. With Eobard stuck in the past, he realized that killing Barry wasn't a smart move anymore since he would be stuck forever. I'm assuming that Barry would have become the Flash eventually, I just think Well's/Eobard sped up the process.

So after all that, is it safe to assume we are dealing with 3 timelines?

1:the timeline were Eobard never traveled back this far in time and Future Barry never vanished?

2: The timeline that we currently know thus far

3: This new timeline that just recently happened after the previous episode.

Fucking time travel man. So many different possibilities.

 

[Septimus Prime]

My assumptions are probably wrong. I was so sure he was Metron.

"Look, he's sitting all the time! Just like Metron!"

 

[More_Badass]

Did anyone ever guess hologram? I remember stuff like a second Reverse Flash from the future, two version of Wells, etc.

 

[Chariot]

My assumptions are probably wrong. I was so sure he was Metron.

"Look, he's sitting all the time! Just like Metron!"

I really liked the theory. But well, can't hate this reveal scene.

Did anyone ever guess hologram? I remember stuff like a second Reverse Flash from the future, two version of Wells, etc.

I didn't think of hologram because Wells actually got beaten up. Didn't think he'd pull a Patrick.

 

[Kiriku]

what makes it worse is that he moved faster than lightning. He could have arrested the villain right there on that scene if he moved at a fraction of that speed for a second.

I interpret that as kind of a reflex, highly dependent on the situation and what's at stake, ie sometimes he just moves really fast without thinking. But yeah, it's still a weird situation.

 

[Stallion Dan]

Here's what I don't get: the first time Barry sees himself, he sticks around, while his future self seems to disappear. However, the second time we get that scene, the future version sticks around, while the past version seems to disappear. They even end up with the same "braking" pose in both instances.

'Sup with that?

I assume he can see a time-traveling speedster from an alternate timeline, in this case, himself. Because speedforce, or whatever.

Timeline 1 is the episode we watched, with Barry seeing a time travelling Timeline 2 Barry.

Timeline 2 is the timeline set up at the end of the episode, and he sees the Timeline 1 Barry from other perspective.

So yeah, is a timeline out there with no Barry anymore (because he time travelled out of it), and a tidal wave that hit the city etc etc. But we'll never see or hear from it again so who cares.

 

[Just_myles]

There are two Flashes now, I think in the season-reel trailer, you can see them fighting each other.

Spoiler

Well that could be RF wearing the suit. There was a comic arc that had that as I recall. Also the RF suit was supposed to be the flash suit anyway so this theory isn't completely out of the question.

 

[broncobuster]

Did anyone ever guess hologram? I remember stuff like a second Reverse Flash from the future, two version of Wells, etc.

Opaque holograms never occurred to me. Wells' future newspaper got it in my head that all holograms are transparent.

 

[Just_myles]

So yeah, is a timeline out there with no Barry anymore (because he time travelled out of it), and a tidal wave that hit the city etc etc. But we'll never see or hear from it again so who cares.

True. DC time rules never take into account the timeline that the hero leaves. Had this been Marvel it would be a different story as time is a lot easier to mess up and impossible to reverse. Using Fantastic Four as an example when Sue Richards was killed in an alternate 616. They go back and save her but, Reed explains that the timeline where she died still exist yadayada comics.

 

[grap3fruitman]

But Caitin was like 2 words away from spilling it all to Barry, and he would have known despite the reset. Wells didn't know this.

They'll read all about it in the Sunday paper.

 

[ZeroX03]

Did anyone ever guess hologram? I remember stuff like a second Reverse Flash from the future, two version of Wells, etc.

Once the promo came out I guessed exactly what happened. The shot of Cisco staring at the Reverse Flash hologram and Wells split in two made it pretty obvious it was an illusion through holograms and after images not time travel.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Once the promo came out I guessed exactly what happened. The shot of Cisco staring at the Reverse Flash hologram and Wells split in two made it pretty obvious it was an illusion through holograms and after images not time travel.

Well yeah... But guessing it before you see it is something else.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

True. DC time rules never take into account the timeline that the hero leaves. Had this been Marvel it would be a different story as time is a lot easier to mess up and impossible to reverse. Using Fantastic Four as an example when Sue Richards was killed in an alternate 616. They go back and save her but, Reed explains that the timeline where she died still exist yadayada comics.

That's how I prefer my science fiction. Otherwise we'd have a dozen different Star Trek and Stargate timelines running at the same time.

It just makes it messy. Best to follow where the main character goes rather than to worry about what was left behind.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

GAWD DAMN!! What an episode.

I don't even know where to begin.

Cisco is dead - what the fuck. I doubt it will stick, but wow...wow. Incredible scene, both actors brought their A game. Wow. Incredibly powerful scene.

So with everything Eobard told Cisco, does that mean that future Barry stuck in the same time too?

Holy shit. Barry time travelled. HOLY SHIT! Incrdible scene, but I am bummed that the scene of other Barry from that gif wasn't a Flashpoint hint, but ah well. Flashpoint was always going to be difficult on a show budget, especially when it's a CW show budget.

The legit Weather Wizard was fantastic and it was great seeing Liam again. The car scene was incredible. The way the rain slowly gets heavier was fantastic, really well done.

Man, I just don't get why Barry is so into Iris when Linda is right there. Jesus...I get that you can't choose you fall in love with, but at least Linda actually showed and continues to show interest in Barry. The Iris/Barry teasing all feels very forced. I'd be happy if they didn't go with them getting together.

Such an amazing episode, really highlights how mediocre AoS is by comparison.

 

[fallengorn]

Did anyone ever guess hologram? I remember stuff like a second Reverse Flash from the future, two version of Wells, etc.

I never guessed it. I just assumed he ran back and forth like every other speedster to give the illusion there's two people.

But now that there are holograms they should say Wells had help from Mirror Master. Because I want to see Mirror Master, damn it.

 

[guek]

GAWD DAMN!!
Such an amazing episode, really highlights how mediocre AoS is by comparison.

If you don't care about inconsistencies and are into paper thin romances, sure. I think this show is more straight up fun but AoS is still far from mediocre.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

If you don't care about inconsistencies and are into paper thin romances, sure. I think this show is more straight up fun but AoS is still far from mediocre.

I don't particularly care the romances and would prefer they weren't in the show, but it's CW...what's up with the inconsistencies though?

 

[Mix Master]

20 hours later and i'm still shaken, mang i cant deal.

 

[BKatastrophe]

So I'm curious as to how Wells/RF/Eobard's powers work, then? If he can't use them in the past? Are they fueled by something that isn't Speed Force, but is like it? Or could he not use them for 15 years because the Speed Force didn't exist yet?

 

[cereal_killerxx]

20 hours later and i'm still shaken, mang i cant deal.

Which event shook you the most?

 

[Neoxon]

So I'm curious as to how Wells/RF/Eobard's powers work, then? If he can't use them in the past? Are they fueled by something that isn't Speed Force, but is like it? Or could he not use them for 15 years because the Speed Force didn't exist yet?

Think of the Speed Force as a pool of energy & Barry's using most of it.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

So I'm curious as to how Wells/RF/Eobard's powers work, then? If he can't use them in the past? Are they fueled by something that isn't Speed Force, but is like it? Or could he not use them for 15 years because the Speed Force didn't exist yet?

Maybe future Barry controls it in the same way RF does in Flashpoint?

Although that just raises the question of why future Barry doesn't come after Wells during those fifteen years or do literally anything during that time.

 

[BKatastrophe]

Think of the Speed Force as a pool of energy & Barry's using most of it.

But so how come Wells can't, then? Is it because he's technically displaced in time and therefore "detached" from the pool?

 

[KingK]

There was a new episode last night? Damn, i didn't know they were back from the break. I'll have to try to catch it on hulu today.

 

[G-Fex]

Cisco with the biblethump face

I actually think this is much better than even the Marvel films. This is the best comic book adaptation of all time IMO.

I agree. I agree a LOT.

 

[TheGreatDirector]

So I'm curious as to how Wells/RF/Eobard's powers work, then? If he can't use them in the past? Are they fueled by something that isn't Speed Force, but is like it? Or could he not use them for 15 years because the Speed Force didn't exist yet?

In the comics, Eobard Thawne's original powers stemmed from the suit he created to mirror the original Flash's powers. I'm guessing the Tachion device he stole in episode 9 helps power the suit to a degree.

 

[BKatastrophe]

In the comics, Eobard Thawne's original powers stemmed from the suit he created to mirror the original Flash's powers. I'm guessing the Tachion device he stole in episode 9 helps power the suit to a degree.

He was using it on himself, though. And he's also clearly using speed without wearing the suit.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone, I'm just really curious. I assume it'll get explained at some point.

 

[Nabs]

The Flash |OT| Gotta Go Past - Tuesdays 8/7c

 

[ZeroX03]

He was using it on himself, though. And he's also clearly using speed without wearing the suit.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone, I'm just really curious. I assume it'll get explained at some point.

Negative speed force.

 

[More_Badass]

I actually think this is much better than even the Marvel films. This is the best comic book adaptation of all time IMO.

And this is only Season 1

DareDevil might give this a run for its money though. I'm so hyped for that.
I think shows are the ideal format for comic book adaptions rather than movies. Season length, multiple episodes, etc. suits the comic book format of issues and arcs much better

 

[Platy]

The Flash |OT| Gotta Go Past - Tuesdays 8/7c

Amazing, but a little spoilerish =(

 

[BKatastrophe]

Negative speed force.

I'm assuming that's exactly what it sounds like? Just Evil Speed Force?

 

[DJwest]

Just watched the episode. Holy shit.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Great review at io9 gets at some of the reason the Cicso scene is so powerful.

Here's the best thing about this scene — it literally wouldn't have worked as well with anybody else. What made me dislike Cisco as a character initially has also made him the show's beacon of innocence. I know that this sounds weird, but bear with me: Cisco seems like he belongs on another show, a younger kids show, like Power Rangers. He's not only harmless, but he doesn't even seem to realize that people could be so evil, even after all the crazed metahumans the SuperSTARS have fought. When Wells kills Cisco, it's like he's killing a puppy — innocent, defenseless, and practically incapable of processing the horror of what's about to happen. Well done, Flash writers. Well done indeed.