In the Flash Rebirth comic it was revealed that Thawne generated a negative speed force when he ran, which gave him slightly different abilities (including a higher degree of time travel) than tapping into the regular speed force. I wonder if they're going to use this concept in the show as a way of explaining Wells lose of powers, that without pre Flash Barry generating the regular speed force, he has no ability to create a negative version of it. That could tie in to why he pushes Barry to be faster, once he fully powers up and taps into/creates the speed force Wells connection to the negative speed force will be reestablished.
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Barry's wildly inconsistent speed, for one. Also no one questioning how Wells survived going into the containment field, the police refusing to shoot deadly targets or properly guard known murder targets. There's too much sloppy writing in this show, imo.
Discotheque
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lol I like the show but let's be real, it won't touch flash's episode
The recent Arrow trailer showed promise, but yeah, Flash is on another level right now.
Pretty much, the Arrow is more like Batman based in a darker mood and more suspense while the Flash is like Super-man based with all the epic battles and special effects jazz.
Jables Swan
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Arrow is almost dead in the water for me. Flash is just so much more fun and this episode topped it all off. By the looks of the season promo, it'll just get better from here too.
Discotheque
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Flash is at the top level right now. Only thing comparable to me was like end of season 1 Arrow or parts of season 2 (when Slade returned) but this show is even better than that ALL SEASON
Only show that can possibly touch this monster right now is daredevil imo
Arrow is more grounded in reality
I mean can you imagine Ollie trying to stop
A tidal wave
They both do their things top notch
Miles Quaritch
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The speed thing can be explained with Barry still pushing the limits of his powers. I agree on the containment field, but it could be explained that RF just pulled him into the field and so wouldn't raise too many suspicions.
The cop one is fair, they really should have shot at first sight.
Wiktor
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More_Badass
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That's not even a promo for the rest of the season. Just the next few episodes
Discotheque
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It's a way bigger problem than mood tbh. I can vibe with the batman thing in arrow, I loved it for a while
But his cave is way too fucking crowded right now leading to some very tiring drama during every damn decision he makes
Could you imagine iris, eddie and hell even captain Singh started hanging out at star labs too. and they all had to talk to barry before he ran to action
Jest Chillin
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The containment field is still a glaring problem to me because we have to believe that Cisco did a more thorough test/check this time than he would've done last time... Which seems weird since even IF he's suspicious of Wells, he should've been more determined to find where RF beat his tech the first time. There's also the idea in general that Wells/Eaobard has out thought and planned everyone up until now, including changing whatever record they have of his blood, but he never went back to remove the hologram evidence from the containment field.
I mean personally I can shrug and keep it moving but I do notice these things.
I mean personally I can shrug and keep it moving but I do notice these things.
Wiktor
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I liked it this season. The writers have pretty much destroyed his entire existence. Even in the cave people are just barking at him. He's a mere step from either snapping or giving up.
For all we know, he would have done this the first time but Wells told him he'd do it. Then, surprise, he didn't find anything.
Nabs
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I'm still fucked up over last night.
if you want more just let me know
I'd be ok with the speed fluctuations if they actually addressed it at some point. How hard would it be to have had them talk about some kind of reflexive speed increase the first time something like this happened? Just something to recognize that hey, this room full of geniuses aren't completely glossing over the major issue of Flash's plot-induced speed changes.
Well Cisco had to get Wells out of Star Labs so he could tinker with the containment field alone, suggesting he wasn't permitted to do so before. Of course, then the question is how Wells rationalized that restriction.
call_kotaku
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So is the Future Flash that fought RF in young Barry's house actually from the same time as Wells (centuries in the future)? If Wells traveling back to kill Barry was the first time he time travels, then if Barry doesn't live hundreds of years (or time travels to the future) to meet RF in his original time then how did he know RF would try to kill him? (presupposing that he would be able to kill defenseless young Barry without incident). The most logical sequence of events is Future Flash chasing RF from the future to momma Allen's murder, instead of Barry traveling from some other point in time to intercept RF since how would be know he have advanced knowledge of the attempt if he would've died without someone already intervening.
Then again it's comic books
Then again it's comic books
Also, Spartacus is one handsome man. It wasn't as noticeable on that show because for all the male leads their abs might as well been their faces
Maybe it's only his mind who time travelled?
Like on movies where the protagonist repeats a day but remember what happened.
Wells presumably traveled back to 2024 (or whatever year that newspaper is from) to fight Flash in his prime and then somehow ended up going back even further to the night Barry's mom died. The question with no clear answers at the moment is what happened to 2024 Barry when he came back with RF,
Jest Chillin
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Sure. Though I'm pretty certain Cisco says "I" when talking about running the tests and reading results on the Field rather than "we." Even if that's the case though, they're scientists and those types (character trope) typically check and double check each others work. Inventors like Cisco typically troubleshoot their own stuff first hand when it doesn't work before leaving it to others also.
But again, I know this kind of stuff is going to happen and even if/when I notice it I just chalk it up to "plot needed it" and move on.
I took it more as he didn't want Wells to know he was looking at it again, rather than his being restricted from looking at it.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Hmm, Cisco dead, Iris knows Barry is The Flash, and Wells is exposed. I wonder how many of these things are going to get wiped clean from Barry going back in time? 3 for 3, maybe?
Good episode though, I just hope something from it has impact on the future of the series.
Good episode though, I just hope something from it has impact on the future of the series.
Dominican Power
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So many bombs dropped last night. Holy shit!
Yeah that's probable too. Was anyone else yelling at the TV when it started to rain really hard and neither Barry nor Joe pick up on it for way too long?
Unlike Arrow, things are actually happening in Flash. Only the stupid love square is annoying to watch.
Last one
I was thinking about how much this would fuck up the coast line the entire time. Plus the enormous damage the subsequent vacuum would cause.
More_Badass
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*Raises hand*
Septimus Prime
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Yeah, I thought it was hilarious how when Spartacus shows up at the police station and talks with Joe, that guy at the desk just stays on the phone, like nothing's even happening.
PHOENIXZERO
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All three of those scenes were GIF'd already along with a couple others, look back a couple pages or more if you're not on 100 posts per page.
GAF I am seriously dissapointed that you were not reposting such awesome gifs on all pages. Much better than mine. Where do you host such large gifs ?
I also gotta say I really like Rick Cosnett as Eddie. His look and demeanor are all very well executed to the point where it really makes me want to see him in a bigger comic book role. I could see him as Dick Rider (Nova) in the MCU. He'd make a perfect Arthur Curry if they wanted to go for a more classic Aquaman look but obviously that's not possible at this point.
MHWilliams
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Think of the Speed force as an entire lake of water. Barry is currently the only natural valve on that pool. Wells can tap into it using Barry, but he's stuck with pit stops; he's working with a cup or 2-liter bottle, so he has to keep going to the source, Barry, to refill. The suit probably confers the stored energy to him, or he has some natural ability and his proximity to Barry is enough to catch a charge.
The problem is time travel, as shown at the end of this episode, requires a great deal of energy from Barry and even then he went back maybe 24 hours? For Wells to go back home not only requires Barry at the height of his powers, but it also making his metaphorical cup bigger. The Tachyon device is his method for doing so.
Somebody seriously named somebody Dick Rider?
the_firewithin
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PHOENIXZERO
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That's not what's happening, Flash and Reverse Flash at the time when he went back to possibly kill younger Barry and instead killed his mom after "present Barry" took his younger self out of the house.
At that point they had already been at odds with each other for years. Reverse Flash is from far, far into the future and went back in time initially to meet his "idol" but didn't go back far enough and Barry at that point had been "dead" with Wally having taken over, not that probably isn't an issue but I imagine they'd keep the dead part by dead I mean Barry had ran so fast he "created" the Speed Force, that's what happens in 2024 and ends the Crisis.
MHWilliams
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I don't recall Wally being mentioned on this show yet...?
I'm assuming 2024 Flash went back in time when he disappeared. We don't really know what happened there either.
Well it's Richard Rider, but yes. He's Nova, one of the major cosmic heroes of the Marvel Universe.
More_Badass
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In the Sizzle Reel trailer, there's a scene with Joe
digging up a skeleton, saying something like "if this is who I think it is..."
Mix Master
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like eddie? call him a distant relative. BRUH
even with the shitty romance subplots and iris, Flash is god tier mode RightNow.
call_kotaku
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Conceivably in the "original" timeline Barry could've gotten his powers from a different event when he was older, and Wells just tried to replicate the effects with a particle accelerator failure in order to hasten the process. Maybe creating other metahumans was an unintended consequence of Wells trying to create the Flash.
brotkasten
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT. JUST. HOLY SHIT.
How is this just episode 15? This feels like the first part of a double episode of a season finale.
Just wow. Dropping the bombs, like it's nothing.
How is this just episode 15? This feels like the first part of a double episode of a season finale.
Just wow. Dropping the bombs, like it's nothing.
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