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New Dragon Ball Z Animated Film Announced For 2015
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EchoChamber
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I want to future trunks to kill frieza again.
Sibersk Esto
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I think Buu should have looked like skinny gray Evil Buu when he emerged, turn into roided out Super Buu and stayed with that design until the end, when he's reincarnated as fat good Buu
Seven Force
Banned
At least we'll always have Jawbreaker Vegito.
That and pretty much Vegeta in general are the two saving graces of the back half of the Buu saga.
That and pretty much Vegeta in general are the two saving graces of the back half of the Buu saga.
That's what I thought was going to happen back when I originally watched it for the first time. All that build up with the Z sword/power up and then it's thrown away too quickly.
I really like the Kid Buu section at the end. Don't know about the manga, but the fights in the anime (SSJ2 Goku vs. Buu, SSJ3 Goku vs. Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta vs. Buu) are really well animated and choreographed. They really put their A-team animators on those fights. Plus it has two of my favorite moments of the whole series: Vegeta admitting to himself that Goku was always better, and Vegeta taking a pummeling but still coming back for more even to Buu's shock.
Welfare
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I like it.
Really, the big problem with Dragon Ball is the same that so many other Shonen followed suit: Nobody except for Goku gets to do anything cool or be important. Buu would have been the perfect opportunity for Gohan to take the reigns and he just dropped it for the same old plot of Goku beating the big villain.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
The money he gets from Dragon Ball and Dragon Quest merchandise combined with his age and general lack of motivation means we probably won't get a long serialized work from him ever again. Which is a shame, because for all his faults the visual language and paneling in dragon ball is nothing short of masterful.
Although honestly if he was given complete freedom he would likely just stick to comedy
He's done a bunch of non-Dragon Ball stuff after Dragon Ball.
Jaco was his first real return to Dragon Ball. I guess Cross Epoch, if you count that.
SnowFlakeCake
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I forgot the storyline, how did Buu become kid buu again? I know the latter was stronger than the former but forgot the connection, kid buu was awesome in my book though. Straight up arsehole, there's a scene where he is blowing up planets for the fun of it.
The original plan was to hand the main character status over to Gohan originally, if I'm remembering correctly. A lot of this can even be seen in the earlier parts of Z with all the talks of potential and Goku being absent for a good amount of time in pretty much every major arc (Saiyan/Namek/Android) due to him being dead/injured/ill or whatever. Yes, he saved the day during the Freeza encounter but much of what was going on elsewhere was ultimately built up to what happened during the Cell Games when Gohan fought Cell.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Buu absorbs Vegetto, splitting Goku and Vegeta apart. While inside Buu they cut out everyone Bu has absorbs, reverting him back to his Kid state, which is what he was before swallowing fat kai
It's cause when they removed Fat Buu, they removed any traces of the Kais he absorbed, which resulted in him becoming Fat Buu.
WrenchNinja
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this is just off memory
Kid Buu is the weakest but most unpredictable and dangerous
Kid Buu absorbs Southern Supreme Kai and becomes Buff Buu which makes him stronger
Buff Buu absorbs Grand Supreme Kai and becomes the initial Fat Buu we see, which makes him more docile
Fat Buu expels his Evil in the form of Evil Buu
Evil Buu absorbs Fat Buu and becomes Super Buu
Super Buu absorbs Piccolo and SS3 Gotenks making him smarter and stronger than Elder Kai Unlocked Gohan
Super Buu then absorbs Gohan which puts him at his strongest form
Vegito removes everyone from Kid Buu which reverts him back to his first stage
The Silver
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUHTNli4CMw
the whole scene was great, the most emotionally complex DBZ ever got(not a high bar to pass but still)
Do you know where I can find an image of this? I'm interested in seeing this.
I never understood how this worked. Dumb.
REASONS.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
I didn't know the Buu's were a race until Xenoverse. I thought Buu was just an experiment.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
"Is it slavery when you get what you want?"
"Meaningless huh?! What do you know of meaningless?! Spend most of your life ruled by another. Watch your race dwindle to a handful. And then, tell me what has more meaning than your own strength! I have in me the blood of a Saiyan prince. He is nothing but a joke. Yet, I've had watch him surpass me in strength. My destiny, thrown to the wayside! He's...he's even saved my life as if I were a helpless child."
"He has stolen my honor...and his debts, must be paid!"
11 year old me was like
Chris Sabat (if he was still in charge of localizing the dialogue) knocked it out of the fucking park from both a writing and acting standpoint
Marauder Shields
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Wasn't Gohan the strongest character at the end of the Buu Saga? And he had no part in the final battle with Kid Buu. Buu saga was such a farce
SnowFlakeCake
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Thanks!
Jeez, that line about Vegets being ruled over Freiza, his planet getting fucked over etc makes it even more annoying that Goku is going to be the hero again. Toriyama, you done fucked up. Again.
If Xenoverse is based of Dragon Ball online, the Buus were created by Buu after the series cause he wanted companionship.
Toriyama wanted to do so, but apparently the fans of the series (in Japan, I guess) weren't happy with that direction so he had to make Goku the main hero again.
Wasn't Gohan the strongest character at the end of the Buu Saga? And he had no part in the final battle with Kid Buu. Buu saga was such a farce
Yup. Also, Goku and Gohan could have tried to fuse again and just destroy Buu in an instant, but no. It's the Goku show because fans.
Wasn't Gohan the strongest character at the end of the Buu Saga? And he had no part in the final battle with Kid Buu. Buu saga was such a farce
Yes, the strongest non-fused character.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
So he created a female version of himself? What? lol
Welfare
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Buu has been around since time immemorial. Bibidi just awakened him.
Fans or editors or whoever it was, I wish he never would have listened.
The Silver
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the thing with that was Fat Buu was weak because of the good influence of the fat Kai, when Evil Buu absorbed fat Buu he was no longer held back by the kai inside him.(the Kai still had some effect on him though as Buff Buu was stronger than Super Buu)
Her name is Booby-Booby.
EmCeeGramr
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Vegito and Potara fusion only exist because Toriyama didn't want to steal Fusion Reborn's thunder by having Gogeta appear in the manga first.
So it's the difference between Evil Buu being inside Fat Buu vs Fat Buu being inside Evil Buu? I repeat: Dumb.
Buub. It writes itself!
HypnoDarkrai
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ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Shonen writers should never listen to their fans. They always want the main character to dish out the killing blow and hog the spotlight. I don't understand how Luffy always wins the #1 spot for best One Piece character.
This is her?
Mr. Smiley
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Yes, he read a romantic book from Mr. Satan and wanted to love afterwards. So he created a female version of himself, then birthed a species from a most glorious form of majin masturbation that is beyond our comprehension.
Nah, they used something called Love-Love Beam.
Welfare
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WrenchNinja
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Dragon Ball is weird
EmCeeGramr
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see if it weren't for the buu saga we wouldn't have mr. satan saving the earth twice and having a bubblegum demon as a best friend
gohan and vegeta jobbing was worth it
gohan and vegeta jobbing was worth it
I love DB and DBZ as a whole and I've been watching DBZ Kai again and I feel like everything up until the Cell saga is perfect. I just don't like that the big Cell fight boils down to Goku fighting first and losing and then just counting on Gohan getting super mad for the duration of the fight. Vegeta and Trunks spend all that time training and they literally don't do anything except get their asses whooped by Cell Juniors. However, there are fantastic action moments during the Cell fight, no question. I do like everything that came before it much better though.
The character direction and utilization after Cell is odd, yes, but my biggest gripe is that they devalued the Super Saiyan process by making it seem like it aint no thang. I do understand the notion that they have to keep getting more powerful and they can't make transforming into SSJ a big deal forever, so where else would they go from there? I don't know, but I just felt like all transformations in the Buu saga weren't special at all. I've never been into Fusions. Majin is cool. The Buu saga is fun though, I honestly just enjoy the DBZ world and cast of characters.
However, I stand by the fact that the whole Namek section of DBZ is genius storytelling. It's like the movie Crash, at the peak of the Namek saga we're following like 5 or 6 different character paths and how they're indirectly affecting each other and crossing over into other storylines. And then it all converges into the actual Frieza battle which is very tense and Frieza is the Joker of anime, so it's all very good.
The character direction and utilization after Cell is odd, yes, but my biggest gripe is that they devalued the Super Saiyan process by making it seem like it aint no thang. I do understand the notion that they have to keep getting more powerful and they can't make transforming into SSJ a big deal forever, so where else would they go from there? I don't know, but I just felt like all transformations in the Buu saga weren't special at all. I've never been into Fusions. Majin is cool. The Buu saga is fun though, I honestly just enjoy the DBZ world and cast of characters.
However, I stand by the fact that the whole Namek section of DBZ is genius storytelling. It's like the movie Crash, at the peak of the Namek saga we're following like 5 or 6 different character paths and how they're indirectly affecting each other and crossing over into other storylines. And then it all converges into the actual Frieza battle which is very tense and Frieza is the Joker of anime, so it's all very good.
One personality being more dominant than the other. Fat Buu leans more good (or less evil); Super Buu leans more evil. They're technically equal in strength but Super Buu uses more of it.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
This is her.
You guys are blowin my mind right now.
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