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New Dragon Ball Z Animated Film Announced For 2015
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Astral Dog
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He wants to make Goku and Vegeta suffer, probably Trunks too.
You mean like how he blew up planet Vegeta knowing that they MIGHT become a threat where as Goku and co ARE threats?
Easy.
REVENGE.
Plot demands it.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
pssh they'll just wish earth back with THE AFTERLIFE DRAGONBALLS or something
The best way to do that would be to not give them the chance to overcome him like he does every freaking time.
SnowFlakeCake
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Bra is not canon right? Hopefully she stays an absolutely awful memory resigned to DB GT, just like Vegetas porn mustache and haircut. SSJ4 needs to come back though, God form looks terrible and at the end of the day, it's all about how they look at each transformation which makes them stand out. Making god form a skinner version of Goku was plain old lazy, something needs to be done about that.
Super Saiyan really should not have been cheapened so much, Goku and Vegeta worked hard for it but after that, it was achieved so easily like Trunks taking a big shit and the concentration making him ascend. It got beyond silly at the end of GT, when mini-vegeta and goku didn't even know the name of the form even though both had achieved it. All I could think was Trunks and Gotenks must have gone to town, fucking everything with a heartbeat and running off fast as possible.
Super Saiyan really should not have been cheapened so much, Goku and Vegeta worked hard for it but after that, it was achieved so easily like Trunks taking a big shit and the concentration making him ascend. It got beyond silly at the end of GT, when mini-vegeta and goku didn't even know the name of the form even though both had achieved it. All I could think was Trunks and Gotenks must have gone to town, fucking everything with a heartbeat and running off fast as possible.
NeonZ
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The teaser from Dragonball Heroes suggests that God form will be redesigned now that Goku will presumably achieve it by himself. It doesn't look like we're getting anything similar to SSJ4 though, his arms still seem clean, although they're hiding his face and hair so we likely will see some differences there.
Bra appears in the Z epilogue, although she doesn't do anything and doesn't fight, unlike Pan. Her age also was unclear there.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
The Super Saiyan bargain sale began with Vegeta
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Bra is canon, although her GT incarnation is not
Now I'm interested to see if there will at least be some acknowledgement of Future Trunks killing Frieza.
It was in the trailer as a flashback but I would love for Freiza to see trunks and trunks being very confused as to why Freiza hates him so much.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I would love for Trunks (present) to kill him again.
You cannot fight fate!
He has a rough transition from spoiled prince to second fiddle. And it's made even worse because he is still stronger than 99% of everyone. If it weren't for Bulma he probably would have tried to kill Goku because of how shitty he made his life.
Young Trunks won't be in the film
I saw an older gotenks in the trailer (who looked so badass) so Trunks has to be in it.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Did you see a trailer for Dragon Ball Heroes passed off as a Revival of F trailer?
SnowFlakeCake
Member
Oh dear, she lives
The trailer of his evolution just looks like his hands have gotton bigger, so he's either trying out for the next Donkey Kong or Freiza will get bitch slapped back to hell. Both would be fine for me.
You try way too hard and I like you for that.
So what you're saying is that Goku is a psychopath and Vegeta is not because the latter conveys emotion? This is an interesting take.
Vegeta is a lil' bitch
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Goku has fewer moments where he's beaten down on a psychological level. He shows much more positive emotion towards others than Vegeta when Krillin dies (causing him to go Super Saiyan) and when Piccolo scolds him and makes him realize Gohan doesn't like fighting like he does during the fight with Cell (where he starts to show genuine concern for his decision to leave the fight to Gohan).
Vegeta is crying (literally or metaphorically) because he isn't "the best". The only time this isn't true is when he dies on Namek and wants Goku to avenge the Saiyan race. Even when he lost to 18, he pulls a silent treatment to everyone else not because he failed to save the earth or his family, which he doesn't give two fucks about, but because he thought he was the best (again) and he realized he wasn't.
Nintendoga
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Geets hasn't earned the right to be the strongest yet.
Turned SSJ cause he was sad and stopped caring
Went into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber twice instead of once like Goku
Let Babidi take over his mind so he could become stronger
Let Bulma create a machine so he could turn SSJ4
And you need the power of Sayain friendship to go SSJGod which Goku hated but Vegeta would gladly accept that method just so he could be the strongest.
Cheaters never win Vegeta. Work your way up the natural way like Goku did, and then we'll talk.
Turned SSJ cause he was sad and stopped caring
Went into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber twice instead of once like Goku
Let Babidi take over his mind so he could become stronger
Let Bulma create a machine so he could turn SSJ4
And you need the power of Sayain friendship to go SSJGod which Goku hated but Vegeta would gladly accept that method just so he could be the strongest.
Cheaters never win Vegeta. Work your way up the natural way like Goku did, and then we'll talk.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Marron will beat Freeza
half android genes
half android genes
Seven Force
Banned
Yeah I guess i'd have to smoke some purple to believe gohan would be relevant again
SnowFlakeCake
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I think we've all established that Vegeta is there to make Goku look good and he has a clear fanbase, nothing more and nothing less. None of this is real, whatever the writer wants to happen will happen, Toriyama loves him some Goku so the story will always end with him winning.
Vegeta is the guy that wants to be the best, a main antagonist comes, beats him up and Goku then prevails. Then another antagonist comes, Vegeta gets stronger, is not strong enough to fight the antagonist, gets his arse kicked and Goku comes to save the day. Rinse, repeat and utterly boring. The whole point of any character but Goku is basically to make Goku look good. Vegeta vs 18 for example was total humiliation, but he become stronger then her pretty quickly and could have kicked her face in. Like I said, Vegeta is basically there to be above everyone expect the main antagonist for that particular moment and of course Goku.
Goku has been weaker than the main antagonist before, the cat god thing in the last movie could have beaten Goku to a pulp and if it was Vegeta that would have been the case, but Toriyama knows Goku is the main character so even his defeats and quick and boring. I guess that is what makes Goku likeable, he is very positive and has the personality of a karrot so lots of people are able to relate to that but I can't. Would like the dude to get pissed for once and beat the shit out of an opponent.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
YES
Seen at a display for the movie.
Probably for a flashback, but still. Good to see the best character in the series return.
On that note, his hair as a Super Saiyan got less 90's as the series went on.
ReplacementPelican
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Seen at a display for the movie.
The guy that shared this also has shots for Vegeta, Freeza and Gohan: https://twitter.com/4jof/status/579969544388616192
Seven Force
Banned
Real talk.
I'm glad the best character is back
Seen at a display for the movie.
Nintendoga
Member
Normal Trunks would've been better if Goten didn't exist and they paired him up with Gohan as a callback.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
As much as I actually like the Goten and Trunks dynamic, Goten is probably a big part of why present Trunks is such a goofy character. You are who you hang out with.
Case in point:
Part of me wishes the entire post Cell canon would just be retconned at this point.
I'd totally be down with this.
Welfare
Member
I'd be happy with this.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Majin Vegeta had some great quotes, not gonna lie
The Silver
Member
I can't support getting rid of anything that has Majin Vegeta in it.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Goku: "Tell me Vegeta, with that stamp on your head, I know Babidi has been giving you orders. Is this one of them?! Are you trying to fight me because of him or is this the same ol' story between you & me? Which one?!"
Gohan: "Does it really matter?"
Majin Vegeta: "Not to you Gohan, but to a warrior it matters greatly."
That subtle shade
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Isn't Goten replacement child character for Gohan
Who was replacement child character for Goku
Who was replacement child character for Goku
Buu just introduced too much and none of it really was given time to matter or explore (SSJ3, two types of Fusion, Mystic form, etc). Everything just felt like it came out of nowhere and was defended with "hey, it's magic".
And then just lots of weird character stuff. The Buu saga to me feels more like GT than it does like DBZ.
And then just lots of weird character stuff. The Buu saga to me feels more like GT than it does like DBZ.
Seen at a display for the movie.
He's appearing in Frieza's flashback to when Trunks chopped him up. He's probably not in the movie proper.
I want to believe.
I enjoy the tournament part of Buu and the early fights with Gohan and Majin Vegeta vs Goku. I like the Supreme Kai lore. It's neat and while "we're unleashing the ultimate evil here on your planet for some reason" doesn't work for me, it's cool seeing them all back together.
It really just turns around when Goku goes SSJ3, to me. The flippancy Toriyama writes that new transformation and how Goku just knows how to do fusion and all that stuff just feels too quick and like he's literally making it all up on the fly. There's no sense of arc to that saga at all to me.
It really just turns around when Goku goes SSJ3, to me. The flippancy Toriyama writes that new transformation and how Goku just knows how to do fusion and all that stuff just feels too quick and like he's literally making it all up on the fly. There's no sense of arc to that saga at all to me.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Was the Buu saga any better in the manga?
Okay yes, the first parts are okay - even though there is dumb stuff like Kaioshin letting those two chumps at the tournament steal Gohan's energy or whatever - but like was mentioned above, when Evil Buu is formed or whatever he's called it just goes to shit.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Been awhile but I don't think it was any different
Pureauthor
Member
Toriyama never cared. He changed the bad guys of the Android saga three times because his former editor mentioned that he thought they looked dumb, and Toriyama just shrugged and went with it.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Buu started out alright but went off the rails around the time Vegeta blew himself up. What SHOULD have happened (trying to stay as close to the original story as possible while simply unfucking it up):
Toriyama version: Goku goes SSJ3 and toys with Buu, voluntarily stops the fight even though he can win. Teaches fusion to Goten and Trunks.
Better idea: Goku teaches fusion to Goten and Trunks right after Vegeta's death, goes SSJ3 and almost beats Buu but runs out of time on earth, Goten and Trunks witness the event and learn the form that way without Goku stupidly showing it to them by transforming into it a second time.
Toriyama version: Gohan breaks the Z sword and gets powered up. Comes to Earth and beats up Buu until he gets absorbed.
Better idea: Gohan unlocks the power of the Z-sword and releases Old Kai without breaking it. Mystic Gohan keeps the sword and uses it to fight Buu. The sword works against Buu's regeneration because of its status as a holy object.
Toriyama version: Vegito exists. "Permanent" fusion that is unfused when absorbed because reasons. Goku and Vegeta accidentally create Kid Buu when unfusing everyone else from inside Buu. Buu blows up earth, Goku beats Buu in Kai world. Wishes Uub into existence.
Better version: No permanent fusions at all. Buu absorbs Gohan but the Z-sword lets him keep his form. He unfuses the other characters and creates Kid Buu. Kid Buu blows up the earth and Gohan, Goku and Vegeta work together in Kai world to defeat Buu, with Gohan delivering the coup de grâce with the Z-sword. Maybe even have Goku imbue a spirit bomb into the sword. The Z-sword's holy power reincarnates Buu as a good guy, creating Uub.
There. Same story, less random shit, less bad writing.
Toriyama version: Goku goes SSJ3 and toys with Buu, voluntarily stops the fight even though he can win. Teaches fusion to Goten and Trunks.
Better idea: Goku teaches fusion to Goten and Trunks right after Vegeta's death, goes SSJ3 and almost beats Buu but runs out of time on earth, Goten and Trunks witness the event and learn the form that way without Goku stupidly showing it to them by transforming into it a second time.
Toriyama version: Gohan breaks the Z sword and gets powered up. Comes to Earth and beats up Buu until he gets absorbed.
Better idea: Gohan unlocks the power of the Z-sword and releases Old Kai without breaking it. Mystic Gohan keeps the sword and uses it to fight Buu. The sword works against Buu's regeneration because of its status as a holy object.
Toriyama version: Vegito exists. "Permanent" fusion that is unfused when absorbed because reasons. Goku and Vegeta accidentally create Kid Buu when unfusing everyone else from inside Buu. Buu blows up earth, Goku beats Buu in Kai world. Wishes Uub into existence.
Better version: No permanent fusions at all. Buu absorbs Gohan but the Z-sword lets him keep his form. He unfuses the other characters and creates Kid Buu. Kid Buu blows up the earth and Gohan, Goku and Vegeta work together in Kai world to defeat Buu, with Gohan delivering the coup de grâce with the Z-sword. Maybe even have Goku imbue a spirit bomb into the sword. The Z-sword's holy power reincarnates Buu as a good guy, creating Uub.
There. Same story, less random shit, less bad writing.
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