Loads of them aren't Indies. And take your "games aren't real games unless they have a massive ad budget" crap elsewhere please.
PS4 performance on a ~£300 PC. Can it be done? (spoiler: yes)
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Loads of them aren't Indies. And take your "games aren't real games unless they have a massive ad budget" crap elsewhere please.
Oh I get you. I've got a headset meant for dictation which I got as part of a disability thing so it hasn't cost me anything and does the job. I'll look into modmic thing since I have an array of great headphones.
StrongBlackVine
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Usually this is a console bashing topic.
Post i made Oct. 2013:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=85031761&postcount=845
Stronger cpu, stronger gpu and even a (worthless for pc-gaming) blu-ray drive.
Prophet Steve
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Uh, I think they have actually built this PC and used it to run games. I am fairly sure it works.
The performance difference on AMD and nvidia is due to driver support by AMD and nvidia. Currently, nvidia vastly outperforms AMD in most applications on Linux. But then again, I've read people complaining about AMD's driver support on Windows as well, so I guess Windows also isn't for 'hardcore gamers' (what's that, exactly?) until nvidia and AMD drivers perform the same.
1086 on steam currently. Also, gog.com has a number of older games that are available for Linux. And desura has a few more. And then there are a number of pretty good free open-source games, but I guess those aren't 'hardcore' enough to count. Didn't stop me from spending hours with Battle of Wesnoth.
How do you define indie? Are Valve's games indie? Witcher 2? Batman: Arkham Knight? I mean, you could just look at the list on steam.
duck_sauce
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MrNyarlathotep
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I guess for people whose identity is invested in their consumer electronics purchasing choice, any topic where alternatives are offered should be taken as "console bashing".
Hence topics turn out like this.
Weird fact: most PC gaming proponents on GAF also own one or more consoles.
Most detractors only own one platform.
You definitely didn't read the article
When you buy your ps4, are you budgeting the 50 buckazoids per year you're paying to use your already-paid-for internet connection on it?
Kelli Lemondrop
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they got lucky and got a board that had the update already. older stock wouldn't have it. its fucking stupid to reccomend a cpu/motherboard combo that has even a 1% chance of requiring a bios update to function at all. end of story.
The fact that they are overclocking knocks even more wind out of the sails of their article. Overclocking is fine, but not when listing parts to compare to other parts. Compare at STOCK SPEEDS. at reference clocks, that pentium is fucking terrible and they know it.
Scully Scully Scoo
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now try building one for £300 that is as small and quiet as ps4. and even if u can it doesnt matter because i wont be able to play uncharted/tlu/god of war etc. on it
The point of the article isn't to help people on a budget, it's to make themselves feel superior about their choice of PC over consoles. The fact that pretty big and popular games won't even launch on that CPU was not ever a consideration.
Lol. These threads are amazing
And deeper we shall go.
MrNyarlathotep
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And with DirectX 12 on PC the situation should be even better, that said i'd still prefer console at that price, cause of their exclusives, and i wouldn't build a low range PC either. But of course i'm talking as a Xbox One and high specs PC owner, maybe someone would prefer a PC like that instead of console
Prophet Steve
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Haha, why shouldn't they overclock? They are trying to get the best performance for their parts. It is not an unfair comparison when you can't overclock the PS4.
...Ok, that's it, I'm out.
cyberheater
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When I add all the items from the article in amazon.uk it comes to £364.38.
Still not bad considering.
Still not bad considering.
Kelli Lemondrop
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they should'nt overclock because not every cpu can hit the same clockspeeds as every other cpu of the same model number. if the pentium at stock speeds isnt going to cut it, guess what? get a different cpu for your article. if the system in question cant even play some recent releases, guess what, the article is worthless and so is build. farcry 4 wouldnt even launch on their rig, other games wouldn't either. DF has been shit tier for awhile now so this shouldn't be surprising i suppose.
So a person gets PC hardware and wants to make such a comparison / push the hardware as best as they can - and you bar them from utilising the potential of their system in a way they see fit (overclocking) because.... what? It isn't fair? A console can't do it so why should you?. It's utterly laughable.
Overclocking is entirely normal and there are plenty of methods to do it, safely and easily and without additional cooling solutions dependant on how far you want to push the system. In any comparison it seems perfectly reasonable, as long as they are not misleading anyone and state that this is what they have done
You know, they also suggest an i3. Did you read the OP?
Prophet Steve
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" However, we'll be doing so very conservatively to make sure that you can get the same or very similar performance from your own parts. "
And besides Far Cry 4 I don't know of any with the same limitation.
Kelli Lemondrop
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they suggest an i3, but did they do a sub 300GBP build with an i3? oh wait. no, no they did not. The point is, you CANNOT match the ps4 spec for spec and feature for feature with a 300GBP budget. this includes a controller, wifi, bluetooth. It gets even worse if you want them to have a similar formfactor, where a silverstone RVZ01B will cost you a quarter of your 300GBP budget and the power supply a third.
EDIT: 4.2ghz isn't a conservative overclock for the pentium, its a 33% clockspeed increase. not every 3258 will hit 4.2 without a voltage increase.
Crayon
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Every time i see any permutation of this argument i cant help think of what a wooly term "pc gaming" is. Console gaming at least points to a limited number of either current or legacy closed systems, the latest of which kind of bleed into a subscription network platform. Pc gaming encompassess this huge wide world of operating systems, hardware configurations, controller types, gaming services, emulation/translation, etc.
For example: i do my "pc gaming" on a netbook. I shop on gog and i buy dozens of old games. I enjoy the hell out of it but some would say its not real pc gaming because its a shitty little netbook.
Or how about when a hypothetical console gamer in the future buys a ready made steam machine and never explores any of its capabilities beyond the default bpm and steam steam service. Some people are going to claim that's not real pc gaming either.
For example: i do my "pc gaming" on a netbook. I shop on gog and i buy dozens of old games. I enjoy the hell out of it but some would say its not real pc gaming because its a shitty little netbook.
Or how about when a hypothetical console gamer in the future buys a ready made steam machine and never explores any of its capabilities beyond the default bpm and steam steam service. Some people are going to claim that's not real pc gaming either.
Raven Prime
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You forgot the controller though.
KatamariOnTheRocks
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Yeah really tough choice considering you can use a DS4 on PC as well as an Xbox One/360 controller, you can select your games using steam big picture mode and you can hook it up with an hdmi cable to your TV to have the identical gaming experience in every way except for the online community that goes along with console eco systems. I'm so sick of the strawman that PC gaming is only possible if you spend thousands of dollars, Stockholm syndrome console owners seem to think its always the best and simplest and cheapest way to game, and while sometimes thats true if your'e so dumb that you can't click next when installing games through steam, the vast majority of console users have enough experience with computers/electronics in general that I doubt navigating through a windows operating system is as impossible as they always make it out to be.
alexandros
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Do you really believe that? Do you really think the author thought to himself "hell yeah, time to school dem console plebs with my budget PC building skillz"? I have another explanation. The issue of console vs PC hardware performance is an interesting topic and frequently debated one. Seeing how cheap you can go when targeting console performance with a PC build is a very intriguing exercise. In fact the issue is more relevant than even before with the Steam Machines coming in a few months and the Alienware Alpha challenging traditional conceptions on what a gaming PC runs and looks like.
DarthWalden
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Why would anyone buy a shit PC like this?
If your going to game on PC do it right...
Otherwise stick to consoles...
If your going to game on PC do it right...
Otherwise stick to consoles...
Prophet Steve
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That specific processor is known to be an overclock monster. 4.2 isn't outrageous and you are likely to be very close.
And the article isn't comparing features nor is it pretending to. It is just comparing the graphical performance.
Schweinehund
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I like my ps4 exclusives but emulation, modding and mobas push PC ahead by a lot. I think everyone should have a mid range pc if they can afford it. Besides gaming there's a ton of things you can do with your pc if you apply yourself that you can't do with consoles. But I totally understand people that just want a hassle free experience as well.
Beerman462
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I wouldn't build a PC with anything less than an i3. When I made my thread to show how a low end dual core and an 8800GT could still run modern games at last gen settings I found out that some games are hard coded to only accept quad core CPUs or higher. Even though some of those games were modified later and worked fine on dual core. The i3 works in this case because it has threads that are recognized as extra cores.
Also the people in this thread saying the PC will be outdated in 2 yrs are wrong. An i3 and a 750Ti should last the generation easily. With DX12 just around the corner PCs will get even better optimization.
Also the people in this thread saying the PC will be outdated in 2 yrs are wrong. An i3 and a 750Ti should last the generation easily. With DX12 just around the corner PCs will get even better optimization.
There are tons of reasons why people might prefer gaming on consoles. Might be something as simple as their friends being on console. And it can be the cheapest way to game, with game rentals, second hand games, and sharing discs between friends. It really comes down to the person, what kind of equipment do they already have, how much time do they have, how many friends do they have in which ecosystem, what kind of games do they want to play. Doesn't require Stockholm syndrome or exceptional stupidity to own a console.
The point is that even a 'shit pc' like this offers comparable performance to the next gen consoles, and does so at the same price; in doing so, it draws focus upon the old arguments that PC gaming is, in regards to price/performance ratio, far behind consoles. That's about it. This isn't super relevant right now, but until the next consoles are released, its a one-way street; hence, the comparison between consoles and PC's is only going to become an increasingly important talking point.
Chilled_Eskim01
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Why are people upset? Why? Did they read the article? All this is showing is that those saying you need thousands of dollars to invest in a comparable system to the current gen specs.
It simply addresses this stupid argument from folks who don't like the idea of a gaming PC.
Yes, there are console exclusives, but there are also benefits to having a PC that can play games too, and this is just a neat little guide on how to build a nice budget PC that could be easily compared to the 8th gen...
It's not about 'superiority' or any scholck like that. There's no need for so much salt here
It simply addresses this stupid argument from folks who don't like the idea of a gaming PC.
Yes, there are console exclusives, but there are also benefits to having a PC that can play games too, and this is just a neat little guide on how to build a nice budget PC that could be easily compared to the 8th gen...
It's not about 'superiority' or any scholck like that. There's no need for so much salt here
So how much better would a 750ti be with DX12?
Shining Sunshine
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To be literal point by point of graphics comparison really sidesteps the real issue of PCs.
The hassle of drivers and dealing with installation crap to try and make a game work. The onus of getting the game to work is on the console makers, where PC, you're left to fend for yourself. If you don't have adequate tech knowledge, you will be stuck not being able to play the game.
You run one game just fine, and then running the next game looks absolute dogshit, because development on PC is absolute bonkers to try and make your game work on many configurations. My PC with an i7 and 560ti couldn't even get BF4 running at 30fps, and I have no idea why because I ran much more graphic intensive games without issues. I prefer to game on console because the games need to work on its only configuration before it's released.
I wouldn't overclock on stock components.
The hassle of drivers and dealing with installation crap to try and make a game work. The onus of getting the game to work is on the console makers, where PC, you're left to fend for yourself. If you don't have adequate tech knowledge, you will be stuck not being able to play the game.
You run one game just fine, and then running the next game looks absolute dogshit, because development on PC is absolute bonkers to try and make your game work on many configurations. My PC with an i7 and 560ti couldn't even get BF4 running at 30fps, and I have no idea why because I ran much more graphic intensive games without issues. I prefer to game on console because the games need to work on its only configuration before it's released.
I wouldn't overclock on stock components.
jono51
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Looking at some of the replies to this thread, you'd never guess that the title of the article was "The Digital Foundry 2015 budget gaming PC guide", nor that consoles/PS4/XB1 were mentioned collectively 5 times in their 500 word conclusion.
Guess that's yet another way for them to reinforce PC superiority. This was never a guide for building a budget rig.
Guess that's yet another way for them to reinforce PC superiority. This was never a guide for building a budget rig.
Beerman462
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To play PC games.
$5 HD remasters of a lot of last gen multiplatform games.
My favorite.
The ability to upgrade down the road and play games at higher frame rate and fidelity. Also when the next gen comes along I dont lose all my old games or have to keep and old console around that will eventually break.
Why are people upset? Why? Did they read the article? All this is showing is that those saying you need thousands of dollars to invest in a comparable system to the current gen specs.
It simply addresses this stupid argument from folks who don't like the idea of a gaming PC.
Yes, there are console exclusives, but there are also benefits to having a PC that can play games too, and this is just a neat little guide on how to build a nice budget PC that could be easily compared to the 8th gen...
It's not about 'superiority' or any scholck like that. There's no need for so much salt here
What you've laid out is probably why. I don't understand it at all. I have a PC and a PS4 and enjoy both.
MrNyarlathotep
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Try using GeForce experience.
Dreams-Visions
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Not everyone wants to play Witcher 3, dude...though this will play that too.
That rig is going to give you 1080p/60 on the majority of the most popular PC games today, from CS:Go to Hearthstone to League of Legends to BF4. Not to mention the thousands of other games, emulators, free online, best sales, games that will still work 4 hardware generations from now without rebuying and compatibility with your 360/PS3/PS4/Wii/One controllers and USB peripherals you already own.
And in the end, if a buyer decides they want to upgrade, they can move a rig like this into the bedroom for streaming or something and they get to experience the games they already own in much higher fidelity. No rebuying games for your new hardware like you must for consoles. For anyone who doesn't have a PC, the real question is why the hell not? Price shouldn't be stopping you, and the selection of PC exclusives really demands to be played as much as any other platform.
Shining Sunshine
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I was at the absolute lowest settings with everything turned off.
alexandros
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I will try and steer the discussion towards the actual point worth discussing. Maybe if we all contribute we can have a proper discussion and the thread won't get locked.
The article shows that you can build a gaming PC that performs similarly to current gen consoles for a similar price. Fellow gamer, if you spent the last few pages of the thread trying to point out ways in which your console of choice is still a bit better value because of reason x or y, you 've missed the point.
So what, then, is the point? That we've reached a point in time in which this comparison is actually plausible because the value advantage that games consoles have had for decades has almost evaporated. Adding a few dollars to the cost of the PC for the OS or the controller and crowning console x or y the value king isn't going to change that fact. The implications for the future of gaming are the actual thing worth discussing.
The article shows that you can build a gaming PC that performs similarly to current gen consoles for a similar price. Fellow gamer, if you spent the last few pages of the thread trying to point out ways in which your console of choice is still a bit better value because of reason x or y, you 've missed the point.
So what, then, is the point? That we've reached a point in time in which this comparison is actually plausible because the value advantage that games consoles have had for decades has almost evaporated. Adding a few dollars to the cost of the PC for the OS or the controller and crowning console x or y the value king isn't going to change that fact. The implications for the future of gaming are the actual thing worth discussing.
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