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Marvel's Daredevil |OT| Legally Blind *spoilers for all of S1*

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Ein Bear said:
Just finished episode 4 and am completely blown away so far. The production values are insane, everything is beautifully shot and the fight sequences put everything in the movies to shame. Lots of nice nods to the comic too, it put a big smile on my face when
Turk
showed up.

Though I do think it feels a bit weird having the show set in the MCU when it's such a huge departure in tone... there's something slightly jarring about the idea that
Wilson Fisk is violently crushing heads
whilst, simultaneously, RDJ's Tony Stark is out quipping and shooting lasers somewhere and Rocket Racoon is sat on a spaceship, tinkering with a gun.
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I love that though. It makes sense to me. While the superheroes are superheroing, what's happening with all the regular people?

Crime, corruption, rampant in the aftermath of an alien invasion and superheroic battles. The actions of superheroes give rise to vigilantes and kingpins. The war after the war.

In this universe, I don't think Tony Stark would likely cross paths with Matt Murdock, but that's okay. They do what they do. In a world of seven billion people, we're only seeing the stories of a couple dozen at most, spread between the Netflix shows, the films, and the ABC shows.
 
More_Badass said:
I think it was more jarring going from Winter Soldier to Guardians. But the cool thing about the MCU and Marvel in general is that all those elements can fit. Wait till we got demons and sorcerers and mystical martial arts in the same universe
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I think, for me, the problem is tone. Winter Soldier and Guardians probably represent the opposite ends of the spectrum, but even so the movies all feel very similar. You've got PG violence, lots of quips and jokes, and larger than life characters saving the day from giant explosions. They all fit together because tonally there's not much difference between Peter Quill listening to his Awesome Mix in space adventures and Tony Stark listening to ACDC in fantasy science adventures.

Daredevil's gritty take on brutal street crime is just so completely different that it's a bit weird. Though I have a similar grumble with the comics, I always think the street level stuff works best in its own continuity, like Punisher MAX. They portrayed New York's Russian mob as bumblingly cartoonish fools in the Avengers, in a scene played for laughs, then have them horrifically kidnapping and torturing people in Daredevil. Though it would be pretty great if the end of Avengers Infinity War was
Drax slamming the hatch of his spaceship on Thanos' head.
 
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
I love that though. It makes sense to me. While the superheroes are superheroing, what's happening with all the regular people?

Crime, corruption, rampant in the aftermath of an alien invasion and superheroic battles. The actions of superheroes give rise to vigilantes and kingpins. The war after the war.

In this universe, I don't think Tony Stark would likely cross paths with Matt Murdock, but that's okay. They do what they do. In a world of seven billion people, we're only seeing the stories of a couple dozen at most, spread between the Netflix shows, the films, and the ABC shows.
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General superheroics from Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, The Avengers
Espionage/spy Marvel with SHIELD and AoS
Cosmic/sci-fi Marvel with Thor and Guardians
Street-level Marvel with Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Defenders
Mystical Marvel with Iron Fist and Doctor Strange

The stories they can tell, from grounded vigilantes to mystical sorcery to space opera to spy stories and city-wrecking battles, it's just awesome and it all fits in the world.
 
Already finished it. I liked it quite a bit. Really curious if we'll see some of these characters in the other shows (not counting Defenders).
 
The Smoking Bun said:
Does the season take place of a period of 13 days? Seems like it at times....
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My cousin brought up the same thing with me. I don't imagine it took place longer than about six weeks, since there's probably a gap of a couple weeks
between Episode 1 and 2, and then there's a few days in between some of them, while others follow immediately after. The last few all happened pretty rapidly, though. Probably a gap of a week between 12 and 13, but I'm just guessing.

It does happen pretty randomly, but that might be the binging throwing me off.
 
More_Badass said:
General superheroics from Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, The Avengers
Espionage/spy Marvel with SHIELD and AoS
Cosmic/sci-fi Marvel with Thor and Guardians
Street-level Marvel with Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Defenders
Mystical Marvel with Iron Fist and Doctor Strange

The stories they can tell, from grounded vigilantes to mystical sorcery to space opera to spy stories and city-wrecking battles, it's just awesome and it all fits in the world.
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I feel like we need a new word to describe the Netflix model of TV shows. A binger, lol. Anyways, there are so many ways to get at all this content now, you can appreciate them all individually as well as a cohesive universe. I think there is room for all of it. Even with the darker elements of Daredevil, it still felt naturally integrated into the larger MCU. I would have liked to see the responsibility of the super hero vs street level hero thing played up more, but I'm sure we'll get there when we see the Defenders.

HP_Wuvcraft said:
So far, I'm not feeling Fisk.

Episode 4:
Fisk's only real motivation is Penis Munchies.
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At the point of ep4, he's just meeting Vanessa. He's been pulling criminal shit long before meeting her, so I'd don't see how she factors into his motivation.

NotTheGuyYouKill said:
My cousin brought up the same thing with me. I don't imagine it took place longer than about six weeks, since there's probably a gap of a couple weeks
between Episode 1 and 2, and then there's a few days in between some of them, while others follow immediately after. The last few all happened pretty rapidly, though. Probably a gap of a week between 12 and 13, but I'm just guessing.

It does happen pretty randomly, but that might be the binging throwing me off.
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Light spoiler to ep 10
He did mention meditation helps him heal faster, but you still gotta figure in how long it would take for his wounds to heal. I don't know if 6 weeks would be enough for him heal up from a lot of the beatings he took.
 
I just finished episode 4 and am really impressed. Episode 1 wasn't great but everything since has been fantastic. I am excited for the others now. I haven't been huge on Marvel's other TV shows so Daredevil wasn't even on my radar. Netflix did a great job turning this into something compelling. Blows away every other superhero show I've seen.

I kind of want a Netflix show on the Fraction/Aja take of Hawkeye.

I think this is my favorite Marvel property right now. It's done for their TV shows what Iron Man did for their movies.
 
Episode 13:
That opera montage had me rollin. So satisfying.
That lead editor guy must feel like a supreme ass for dismissing Ben's stories now.
 
Having finished the series, I was disappointed that
the red suit only appears at the very end of the last episode. And he only uses it to beat up on Fisk? Lame.
 
Episode 13:
Hm... I don't know about the suit.
Looks like some kind of all-red Captain America, Deadpool kind of get-up.
But whatever, I guess...
 
I wish there were f-bombs allowed for this. I think it's believable that Karen Page would say "un-freaking-believable" but it's weird seeing a city beat cop in a gritty town saying "Put your freaking hands up!"

That's my only complaint so far through 9 episodes. I'm greatly enjoying this show, loving it so much.

Can someone who has seen all the episodes answer the following question?

Feels like I haven't seen Claire (Rosario Dawson) in forever. I loved her character. Without spoiling details, cam anyone tell me if she will show up again this season (I just finished episode 9)?
 
I tried, but I just can't watch a superhero t.v. show anymore. I did last 4 episodes, but the ending of that 4th one was so dumb I quit.
 
Gotham should have been batman year 1 much like this god damn this show has batman feels but makes its own as well, such a great show on ep 9
 
I didn't expect this show to have some of the violence it does. Can we have a version of The Punisher like this? I feel like it would be perfect.
 
Montresor said:
I wish there were f-bombs allowed for this. I think it's believable that Karen Page would say "un-freaking-believable" but it's weird seeing a city beat cop in a gritty town saying "Put your freaking hands up!"

That's my only complaint so far through 9 episodes. I'm greatly enjoying this show, loving it so much.

Can someone who has seen all the episodes answer the following question?

Feels like I haven't seen Claire (Rosario Dawson) in forever. I loved her character. Without spoiling details, cam anyone tell me if she will show up again this season (I just finished episode 9)?
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She shows up briefly again and I agree that she just kinda disappeared from the show
 
I just finished episode 10 and I love everything about this show. The only thing that kind of bothers me (which was actually mentioned a few posts up on this page), is how dark and real it is compared to the other MCU stuff. Not that the violence bothers me, it's the contrast in this show compared to something like SHIELD or how I always kind of had an issue with how the Bruce Timm Justice League cartoon has the same Batman from the Batman: TAS world. It just feels so different. I think I would buy it more if the characters used more examples of what was going on outside of Hell's Kitchen. Sure, we have a few mentions
of the attack on New York from Avengers as "The Incident", the two newspapers on Ben's wall, and Wesley dropping the "iron suit and magic hammer" line
, but it doesn't seem enough.

I really wished in episode 10,
Foggy and or Matt would've brought up the whole super powers thing in comparing it to what they know exist in the Hulk, Cap, or Thor. It grounds their world a bit more and wouldn't make it seem so out of the ordinary. Or when Matt talks to the Father about the Devil, I was expecting him to drop some kind of "the sky opened and aliens came flooding in" line about how that changes your perspective on religion or God and how it may make him question his faith at one time. I dunno, I just expect these shows to tie in more to the major happenings of the world around them. I can totally buy them not mentioning stuff that happens in SHIELD because that's off the grid and mostly spy stuff which wouldn't get out to the public, but the attack on Harlem and New York, SHIELD collapsing and 3 Hellicarries falling out of the sky, or a spaceship appearing in London and wrecking a large chuck of a building is something I would think would come up more often when people make comparisons.

I may just be over thinking it and in the grand scheme of things it probably doesn't matter, but it's the little things that really add up for me to make the whole universe connect and feel real. Other than that, I really do love the show and can't wait to see the other series now. Oh, and Vondie Curtis-Hall as Ben Urich is one of my favorite casting decisions about this show. Every time he's on screen it feels like he just brings some kind of authenticity and gravitas to the whole show. I hope he pops up in Spider-Man working for the Bugle at some point.
 
Went through the whole series. Very happy with the casting and the direction they took with DareDevil. Im kind of mixed on the suit but for a vigilante it works for now.
 
Watched the first few and don't really like it so far . It feels like the show takes itself to serious. Oh and that flip in ep 2 was dumb as hell.
 
The Auxiliary said:
Episode 13:
That opera montage had me rollin. So satisfying.
That lead editor guy must feel like a supreme ass for dismissing Ben's stories now.
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Not a fan of the choice of song though. Wasnt the same song used during the ending sequence of Mission Impossible 1 (w tom cruise)? It was under the same circumstances as well
ie all the bad guys getting their just desserts
 
HP_Wuvcraft said:
But is it brutal to be brutal or contextual?
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I felt it was more contextual than brutal to be brutal, which I actually appreciated them holding back a bit, especially with the decision to be gritty/violent/edgy could have made Marvel take it too far just to differentiate itself or shock or pander to people who want the ultra violence. I feel I see too much of that these days in games, TV, and film (with horror specifically), so even if this was a business move to not alienate everyone younger than 18, I think leaving some of the violence to the imagination, but showing just enough to illicit a reaction and make you uncomfortable, is an effective use of violence.

There were characters who were acting brutal to be brutal, but there was restraint in showing some of the gory aspects directly. The most messy stuff happens slightly off-screen and you mostly see the consequences of the actions. There are plenty of brutal scenes and blood but the show isn't getting off on showing flesh being destroyed or maimed if that makes sense.

To make a porn analogy, it might be leaning more towards softcore than hardcore, since you don't see everything, but it's still pretty explicit.
 
I stopped playing Pillars of Eternity on Sunday to marathon the entire Season 1.

I didn't regret it. Glued to the screen for its entirety.

It's been a while since I read the comics, but they nailed Daredevil, Fisk and Foggy pretty much down pat. It was an exciting ride from start to finish.

Random thoughts (black bars ahead):
- I need more scenes of Daredevil parkouring. I need it desperately. Not in civilian clothes, but in uniform.
- I love seeing Alex Maleev's artwork in the newspaper. Bendis/Maleev run was among my favourite reads back in 2003 (I've stopped reading when they finished)
- Like other Gaffers, I take issue in
Ben Urich's demise
. I suppose the showrunners wants that impact of
killing such a central character
.
- I found the juxtaposition between Vanessa and Claire was very interesting.
Here we saw two women, who saw our hero (and villain) at both of their most vulnerable time (Daredevil bleeding in a dumpster, Fisk accosted by Vladimir during his date), and their most powerful moment (Daredevil's takedown of the Russian taxi company, Fisk's takedown of all Russian property in Hell's kitchen). Claire left Matt, but Vanessa stays with Fisk.
- Confrontation between Matt and Foggy after
Foggy learned about Matt's secret identity
was very well done. I daresay its better than any of the reveal of its counterpart in
Arrow or The Flash
- Fisk is a force of nature. Reading the comics back then I felt that nobody could bested him in terms of sheer strength. I felt this way too during his fight with
Vladimir and Daredevil
.
- Rosario Dawson and Deborah Woll are goddesses.
- Season 2 when?
 
More_Badass said:
I don't even understand this complaint

Were you expecting the same tone as the Avengers?
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It's a valid complaint. The early episodes especially had moments of taking itself way too seriously. It's not really about tone so much as execution. I don't think it's an unusual response to think that a comic book adaptation about a blind guy who is also a super fighter with magic radar sense taking itself so seriously comes off as a little silly. As the characters develop and the direction relaxes into letting in more of the over the top and fantastical comic elements into the show, I think it gets much better and feels much more comfortable.
 
I dont think this is a spoiler just what I am noticing does Fisk have aspergers? He does certain repetitive habits with his hands, and routines in the morning as well as he is somewhat antisocial to an extent
 
JK-Money said:
I dont think this is a spoiler just what I am noticing does Fisk have aspergers? He does certain repetitive habits with his hands, and routines in the morning as well as he is somewhat antisocial to an extent
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I thought the same thing too the first couple of times I saw him. The way he talks is certainly odd that's for sure.
 
finally an MCU hero with memorable music. I loooove the main theme


though I'm sure you'll roll your eyes at the pettiness, I'm still greatly annoyed by Matt's lack of red hair. he's one of the most famous male redhead in comics (of all like, four) and the MCU has zero

THE MALE GINGER ERASURE MUST STOP :'(
 
anaron said:
though I'm sure you'll roll your eyes at the pettiness, I'm still greatly annoyed by Matt's lack of red hair. he's one of the most famous male redhead in comics (of all like, four) and the MCU has zero

THE MALE GINGER ERASURE MUST STOP :'(
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At least they kept the red tinted glasses. I'll take what I can get... :(
 
Just finished the season. Saw Eps 1-7 yesterday, finished it up today. This is probably the first time I've ever marathoned an entire season of a show in a day. I haven't even done that for my favorite TV shows. In my opinion, this is the best MCU production by far.

Just some quick assorted thoughts (Spoilers for the whole series):

- That main theme is really great. I like it a lot.
- It took a bit for him to grow on me, but I really liked Foggy when all was said and done. Same with Karen.
- I actually can't believe they killed off Ben Urich. I had kinda figured a character that central to the DD mythos would survive this series. Or hell, at least the first season.
- I love the costume. It's kinda hard to make the costume not look goofy, but it works far better in practice than I ever imagined.
- Fantastic motherfuckin' casting for Kingpin.
I like the direction they went in with him, especially early on in regards to the social awkwardness presented when he initially asked Vanessa out. It made the incident at the end of Episode 4 even more terrifying, in my opinion. Speaking of which...
- Hooooooly shit, this could never air on broadcast TV. The impalement at the end of episode 3 was crazy enough, but seeing the Russian brother's's brains literally being beaten out of him made me yell out "OH SHIT" in disbelief. I can't remember the last time a show got a reaction like that out of me.
- They did a great job handling how Foggy finds out about Matt, in my opinion.
- I really love how Hell's Kitchen is depicted. It's definitely not the neighborhood it is today.

And just a quick question regarding a (way) later episode and a reference:

- When Gao said her homeland was a considerable distance farther from China, was she talking about K'un-L'un? I kind assumed so given the other Iron Fist related nod (The Steel Serpent insignia)

All in all, it was a total blast. I haven't seen Flash yet (and by all accounts, I should probably do that ASAP), but this is the best superhero show I've ever seen. I can't wait for the inevitable Season 2, and the other street level Netflix shows.

Now if you excuse me, I'm probably going to go read my Born Again trade for the billionth time.
 
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