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Marvel's Daredevil |OT| Legally Blind *spoilers for all of S1*
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this is not how you do spoiler tags lol
Admiral Woofington
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You do realize that the whole point of putting things outside of spoiler tags is because it doesn't reveal information right?
Gray Matter
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3 episodes in, really liking.
the gore in ep. 3 was unexpected, they're going all out with it.
Mix Master
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Just finished Nelson V. Murdock. What is this Shit?
soo boring!!
Nothing fucking happens!
Fancy Clown
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Yeah it was a pretty weak episode I couldn't fucking stand the constant
crybaby faces Foggy and Matt were making at each other at the end.
Xplatformer
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When those deals were negotiated Daredevil was only a bad Ben Affleck movie and comics.
Now, it's a known quantity that Netflix would be stupid not to capitalize on.
DonasaurusRex
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I don't know if a one by one schedule is locked in, theres nothing stopping them from doing more Dare Devil unless only one crew is doing all the series. I wouldn't be surprised if DD shows up in Alias along with Luke Cage both of which are parts of Alias storyline.
hipsterpants
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Considering the quality of this and the reviews it would be monstrously stupid to not turn this into a regular series.
Admiral Woofington
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They will most likely give it a second season but I don't know if they have the budget to rush out a second season while the other marvel shows are being worked on, plus their other shows.
Mix Master
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arts&crafts
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What is the budget? Compared to say, Arrow? The production just seems so much better.
Father_Brain
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Just finished watching. My spoiler-free (I think) thoughts:
-Production values are just outstanding, far above either Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.​ or Agent Carter​. The cinematography, choreography, and sound design (the last of which serves to convey Matt's powers in a far more effective manner than the CG filters of the 2003 film) merit special praise.
-There really isn't a weak link in the cast. Well, Elden Henson maybe plays things a little broader here and there as Foggy, but it's still an entertaining performance.
-I'm happy that the Netflix shows are all being filmed on location in NYC, but as a resident, the fact that the vast majority was shot outside HK (mostly Brooklyn and some Harlem, AFAIK) is a tad off-putting. The shot about 10 minutes in of what's clearly the Bedford Avenue L exit in Williamsburg, labeled "50th St C/E," kinda sets the tone. But it's not like the real HK reflects the vibe the show is going for, so there probably wasn't a better option (not that Williamsburg really does either, but it's only really conspicuous in that one shot).
-Speaking of tone, this really is totally unlike anything in the MCU to date. It's the first Marvel-produced live-action series that doesn't feel like it's following the lead of the films in any significant way, not just with respect to continuity but stylistically as well.
-Consequently, it's hard to imagine this Daredevil ever meeting Captain America or Iron Man (whether that ever actually happens onscreen is another matter), but that's not really a bad thing - lord knows the 616 universe encompasses a ton of series that are wildly divergent in style and tone; while the Marvel Studios house style isn't as monolithic as the company's detractors claim, it does exist and it's nice to see something in the MCU that doesn't make any attempt to adhere to it at all, even though I personally prefer the lighter tone of the Waid run to the grim-and-gritty Miller and Bendis runs that were the primary inspiration. I do hope that the other Marvel Netflix series are allowed to similarly define their own tone and not required to adhere strictly to this one, however.
-Vondie Curtis-Hall is great as Ben Urich, even if the "print journalism good, Internet bad" shit would have been embarrassingly dated a half-decade ago.
-Madame Gao is a fun character and I really like what she sets up for future Netflix series. But I wish she adhered less to Orientalist cliches.
-The "PG-16" level of violence is mostly well suited to the story, though the endings of episodes 3 and 4 were both much too over-the-top for my taste. OMG THIS ISN'T KIDDY PG-13 MARVEL SO DARK AND EDGY.
-Speaking of problems with tone: In interview after interview, the producers said their intent was to make "a crime drama first and a superhero series second." They mostly succeeded, perhaps a bit too well, because...
-The series places so much emphasis on Daredevil's Gritty, Realistic Struggle Against Realistic Crime that the few parts that do emphasize the more fantastic, comic-booky aspects of the character's history (particularly in episodes 7 and 9) feel pretty incongruous with the rest of the series.
-That's not to say that I'd have been happier had said elements been ignored entirely; to do so wouldn't feel true to the character or this universe. But I do wish DeKnight et al. had either introduced those elements in a more subtle manner, or made a more comic-booky, less "realistic" show that placed more emphasis on those elements. (Preferably the latter, especially since it's hard to see how any Daredevil S2 could be made without taking things in a more fantastic direction anyway, given the other Netflix shows and certain plot threads in this one).
Despite a few niggles, this is a fantastic start to the Defenders megaproject and one of the best things to come out of the MCU to date. Here's hoping the rest of the Netflix shows can match this level of quality.
-Production values are just outstanding, far above either Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.​ or Agent Carter​. The cinematography, choreography, and sound design (the last of which serves to convey Matt's powers in a far more effective manner than the CG filters of the 2003 film) merit special praise.
-There really isn't a weak link in the cast. Well, Elden Henson maybe plays things a little broader here and there as Foggy, but it's still an entertaining performance.
-I'm happy that the Netflix shows are all being filmed on location in NYC, but as a resident, the fact that the vast majority was shot outside HK (mostly Brooklyn and some Harlem, AFAIK) is a tad off-putting. The shot about 10 minutes in of what's clearly the Bedford Avenue L exit in Williamsburg, labeled "50th St C/E," kinda sets the tone. But it's not like the real HK reflects the vibe the show is going for, so there probably wasn't a better option (not that Williamsburg really does either, but it's only really conspicuous in that one shot).
-Speaking of tone, this really is totally unlike anything in the MCU to date. It's the first Marvel-produced live-action series that doesn't feel like it's following the lead of the films in any significant way, not just with respect to continuity but stylistically as well.
-Consequently, it's hard to imagine this Daredevil ever meeting Captain America or Iron Man (whether that ever actually happens onscreen is another matter), but that's not really a bad thing - lord knows the 616 universe encompasses a ton of series that are wildly divergent in style and tone; while the Marvel Studios house style isn't as monolithic as the company's detractors claim, it does exist and it's nice to see something in the MCU that doesn't make any attempt to adhere to it at all, even though I personally prefer the lighter tone of the Waid run to the grim-and-gritty Miller and Bendis runs that were the primary inspiration. I do hope that the other Marvel Netflix series are allowed to similarly define their own tone and not required to adhere strictly to this one, however.
-Vondie Curtis-Hall is great as Ben Urich, even if the "print journalism good, Internet bad" shit would have been embarrassingly dated a half-decade ago.
-Madame Gao is a fun character and I really like what she sets up for future Netflix series. But I wish she adhered less to Orientalist cliches.
-The "PG-16" level of violence is mostly well suited to the story, though the endings of episodes 3 and 4 were both much too over-the-top for my taste. OMG THIS ISN'T KIDDY PG-13 MARVEL SO DARK AND EDGY.
-Speaking of problems with tone: In interview after interview, the producers said their intent was to make "a crime drama first and a superhero series second." They mostly succeeded, perhaps a bit too well, because...
-The series places so much emphasis on Daredevil's Gritty, Realistic Struggle Against Realistic Crime that the few parts that do emphasize the more fantastic, comic-booky aspects of the character's history (particularly in episodes 7 and 9) feel pretty incongruous with the rest of the series.
-That's not to say that I'd have been happier had said elements been ignored entirely; to do so wouldn't feel true to the character or this universe. But I do wish DeKnight et al. had either introduced those elements in a more subtle manner, or made a more comic-booky, less "realistic" show that placed more emphasis on those elements. (Preferably the latter, especially since it's hard to see how any Daredevil S2 could be made without taking things in a more fantastic direction anyway, given the other Netflix shows and certain plot threads in this one).
Despite a few niggles, this is a fantastic start to the Defenders megaproject and one of the best things to come out of the MCU to date. Here's hoping the rest of the Netflix shows can match this level of quality.
Admiral Woofington
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Can't find exact numbers but this is what I found
http://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/marvels-netflix-bound-tv-shows-cost-whopping-200-million/
So no exact numbers on the budget for Arrow but Daredevil is assumed to be at about an expected cost per episode. Hour long episodes are averaged at about 3.5 million. But apparently the Disney/Marvel deal was for all of the shows so unless Netflix can convince them to put out some more for another season...
arts&crafts
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Ah cool cool, was just curious as it looks really nice
Mix Master
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arts&crafts
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Subpar Spatula
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I've never heard such a weird opinion before. Wilson and Gao have incredible charisma when on screen. I'm more fascinated when Wilson is on screen than anyone else. They did we too
not show him early in the series but build him up and it was worth it.
Kinda off topic but what's this device called ? I was really wondering how it worked when he was using his laptop.There are several scenes of Matt at a computer using this type of assistive device.
Jest Chillin
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I don't know the name of it but it's basically an automatic braille display. It displays the text on his screen line by line by pushing up metal bumps in braille patterns to represent the letters.
tav7623
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Never really been big on the Daredevil character (my first and for the most part only exposure to the character prior to watching the Netflix series was the craptastic Ben Affleck/Jennifer Garner Daredevil movie which effectively killed my interest in the character), but after watching the entire season (mostly out of curiosity, was wondering how it would fit into the Marvel Cinematic Universe) I gotta say I really enjoyed it, more so than I thought I would and I now kinda hope that they do decide to do a second season.
It (imo) does pick back up in
It (imo) does pick back up in
ep 13
Sectorseven
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I'm not really familiar with the comic, but I was curious if that reporter guy works for the Daily Bugle in the comic and maybe they just didn't have the rights to use it (yet)?
arts&crafts
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So I just finished episode 4
I guess Fisk REALLY liked that art dealer woman...
Major Episode 12 spoiler:
While Ulrich's death was poignant and surprised me, it ultimately feels like a short-sighted choice. He's a pivotal character in the comics and could have been an instrumental supporting character in future MCU works, such as CIVIL WAR or the next SPIDER-MAN. Everything that went into his death scene is exceptionalthe writing, acting, directionit plays just as it should. But the decision feels like a criminal underuse of the character.
That's correct.
In the comics, Ben Ulrich is a reporter for The Daily Bugle.
The deal between Sony and Marvel was secured after DAREDEVIL had wrapped principal photography.
petethepanda
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"Dick" and variations thereof seems to be the unofficial word of the show. On ep6 and it's starting to get kind of funny.
Japanmanx3
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That bit you spoiler tagged was the only time he ever had any charisma at all in my opinion. When he started showing up at first my reaction was 'what, really? that's it?' and from then kept on getting more pitiful and pathetic.
I do agree about Gao though, I thought she was incredible.
Really great series much better than any of the other current hero live action series right now. Only weakness in the series is the actress for Karen Page, sure she's very pretty to look at but she's not up to par acting wise, while Foggy's actor stumbled a bit in the first ep he found his footing soon enough thankfully, Page actress never did. Anyways hope to see more of Stick's character next season, really cool old dude. Overall a solia A grade from me.
It's fantastic. Read some of the impressions on all these pages. Go watch it now.
You serious? You're in a 90+ page thread with impressions.
As someone who rarely watches any shows it is hands down one of THE best shows I've seen right now. I'd like to compare it the first season of Heroes in terms of how great it is as well as how hooked I am.
jackissocool
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I totally understand what you mean, but I think
that's exactly what made his death so powerful. Ms. Cardenas dying was sad, but Ben dying was tragic, because he had so much left to contribute. The fact that he was so obviously going to do so much is what makes his death so damn good.
BrokenFiction
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Vondie Curtis-Hall brought so much to Ben's character that he has completely replaced any notions I had of him in my headspace. Amazing acting job.
E the Shaggy
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Extra Sauce
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I know you're joking but Sam Jack was in episode two, not the pilot.
I finished the season last night and it was definitely the best thing superhero related I've watched since the Dark Knight and one of the best shows of the last few years. Everything from acting to writing (which I wasn't entirely sold on at the first episode but felt like improved considerably), from cinematography to fight choreographies were great. Cox is a very good actor and makes a great Matt Murdock. Deborah Ann Woll is gorgeous as usual and her Karen Page is a lot more than superhero love interest #237. Fisk is the best villain in MCU by far and his development throughout the season alongside Matt's is handled very well. Even the secondary/minor characters are all compelling which wasn't something I expected.
I guess my only complaint would be about the final suit which (not really a spoiler but just in case)
Here's hoping they change it in his later appearances whether it is in Defenders or season 2 and please Marvel give us a season 2 next year.
I guess my only complaint would be about the final suit which (not really a spoiler but just in case)
doesn't really look like it fits in with the show. It's not designed badly except for the cowl which I believe needs some reworking but I'd much rather have the classic red suit. The black suit looked so good on Cox and even made for some beautiful shots so I feel like they should've gone for something similar for the red suit. They even bothered to include the whole thin fabric armor thing so I don't see why they need this bulky armor.
Cloud Strife
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Episode 11
Holy shit,
Holy shit,
Karen redeemed!! God lord I can't believe she actually did it!
All done.
I made the prediction that the show was gonna be better than Marvel's movies, but it's actually better than the vast majority of comic book movies. Just all around outstanding. Has the best fighting choreography in a western production since The Matrix, probably. Netflix is really becoming the new HBO with its original content. Nearly every decision made in the show is the correct one, and it never feels like it's pandering to anything or anyone. It's just fucking great, man.
Still pissed that the dummies at Netflix spoiled the costume, but whatcha gonna do. I like the black suit better anyway.
I made the prediction that the show was gonna be better than Marvel's movies, but it's actually better than the vast majority of comic book movies. Just all around outstanding. Has the best fighting choreography in a western production since The Matrix, probably. Netflix is really becoming the new HBO with its original content. Nearly every decision made in the show is the correct one, and it never feels like it's pandering to anything or anyone. It's just fucking great, man.
Still pissed that the dummies at Netflix spoiled the costume, but whatcha gonna do. I like the black suit better anyway.
I'm only two episodes in, but goddamn the fighting scenes are fucking amazing
Never thought I'd say this, but I'm kinda glad I'm ill, I should have all day tomorrow to watch the show. Also glad I gave the show a try at all, a couple of episodes of Arrow made me cringe so much I was gonna skip all superhero shows forever, but I had to check this one out due to the insanely high scores. Certainly seems like a legit good show from a "I'm indifferent towards superhero stuff" viewpoint.
Never thought I'd say this, but I'm kinda glad I'm ill, I should have all day tomorrow to watch the show. Also glad I gave the show a try at all, a couple of episodes of Arrow made me cringe so much I was gonna skip all superhero shows forever, but I had to check this one out due to the insanely high scores. Certainly seems like a legit good show from a "I'm indifferent towards superhero stuff" viewpoint.
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