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Destiny House of Wolves will Have no New Raid

Sorry man, I really don't want to be that guy or to specifically target you, but I literally can't think of any full priced game made in the past decade that had less content than Destiny. What games are you thinking of?

Many of the Call of Duty games immediately come to mind...other FPS games? I don't have an hour count in front of me, or a list, but I would think that the hours spent in Destiny, leveling 1-2 characters high enough to participate in raids, plus any additional time in the Crucible would be more time than a single player campaign plus time spent online playing TDM in Call of Duty.

All I can really go on are my own experiences, which may not be indicative of a community, but if I can manage to put 100 hours into a game, I feel that is worth the cost. Others may not feel that way, but that makes me ask, what is the cutoff to where they feel it justified the purchase? 250+ hours? 500 hours?
 
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This piece is titled: "Investment in Destiny's PS4 Limited Edition"
 
Totally bro, this is 100% fact.

I've seen both of them played, neither seem very enjoyable; PVP is the most fun for me, and even that doesn't entice me to come back.

Sorry the game isn't that good man, good luck with Destiny 2



Don't do it man, learn from my mistake

Raiding is the most fun I've had with a console game since Mario 64. Beating a fresh raid is quite the thrill.
 
So having "troubles in development" is suddenly a valid reason to move content intended for the already paid for DLC to a new expansion which has yet to be paid for? How is that any better?

I don't think it's a "valid reason" so much as I think that's simply why the raid got pushed. Maybe they will release the raid as a free content update for House of Wolves owners, maybe it will be a part of another paid expansion. I will wait and see what happens before I come to a conclusion about it.

There's also the possibility that the Prison of Elders was originally intended to be an arena-style raid (as leaks and datamining revealed), but at some point they decided to scale it down to a 3-player challenge that would be more accessible for casual players.
 
Not really surprised, at this point I think bungie is just going to experiment with things to see what people like and will use that for Destiny 2. They know people like and will play raids and want matchmaking, now they will see how horde and moba mode work out.

I'm ambivalent, on the one hand Destiny was easily worth the money paid in terms of entertainment hours, on the other hand the game had the potential to be really amazing and falls short in pretty much every way except gunplay. Plus they are insanely bad at timely updates.
 
Disappointed. But Also interested what the Battle Arena is like. Love horde modes so I might really enjoy this.

On the topic of Raids as many have said. They are really fun! But I stopped playing when almost always it is all about cheesing as much as possible.

And the mutliplayer needs more modes. Right now there is basically just Team Deathmatch.
I want more focus on objectives.
At least bring back Salvage :(
 
Am I part of some weird social experiment?

Is Bungie making studies on how much shit a consumer is willing to take before he finally cracks?

So pissed right now.
 
christ. I already felt really stupid for buying the season pass. This is painful now.

Lesson thoroughly learned: no preordering, no season passes. Wait until games have been out a few months before deciding to purchase. Bungie is an excellent educator, at least.
 
Really?

Here are 3 major releases from the last year
The Order
Titanfall
Evolve

Huh. I have to admit, I had forgotten about those, though in my defense, I only played Titanfall for a bit and completely ignored The Order and Evolve. Still, fair enough; consider me corrected.

Many of the Call of Duty games immediately come to mind...other FPS games? I don't have an hour count in front of me, or a list, but I would think that the hours spent in Destiny, leveling 1-2 characters high enough to participate in raids, plus any additional time in the Crucible would be more time than a single player campaign plus time spent online playing TDM in Call of Duty.

All I can really go on are my own experiences, which may not be indicative of a community, but if I can manage to put 100 hours into a game, I feel that is worth the cost. Others may not feel that way, but that makes me ask, what is the cutoff to where they feel it justified the purchase? 250+ hours? 500 hours?

I personally wouldn't argue that CoD is content starved. As mediocre as CoD campaigns are, they are still a class above Destiny's uh, campaign. The MP tends to be more varied and interesting than Destiny's as well, though in Destiny's favour, it does have raids.

That said, as Kill3r7 pointed out, there have been recent games with less content than Destiny, though I would argue that's still damning with faint praise as comparing well to those games isn't exactly an accolade worth bragging about.
 
If this game continues to get expansions I can't wait to buy some "Complete Edition" in a year or three.
 
I seriously can't understand how this game has such little content.

The $60 base game was pushing it as it is, but these $20 'expansions' are so bare-bones it's not funny, I'm just dumbfounded.
 
Sorry man, I really don't want to be that guy or to specifically target you, but I literally can't think of any full priced game made in the past decade that had less content than Destiny. What games are you thinking of?

How do you read Gaf and have such a terribly limited knowledge base of videogames? Have you played any other games in the last ten years?
 
How do you read Gaf and have such a terribly limited knowledge base of videogames? Have you played any other games in the last ten years?

I'm sorry, I pay more attention to handhelds and niche JRPGs than disappointing AAA stuff? Obviously my disinterest in modern AAA games outweigh my nigh encyclopedic knowledge of SaGa Frontier.
 
christ. I already felt really stupid for buying the season pass. This is painful now.

Lesson thoroughly learned: no preordering, no season passes. Wait until games have been out a few months before deciding to purchase. Bungie is an excellent educator, at least.

It's just a few bags of crips, beer, Skittles or whatever your vice is. The one thing I really want to know is if Bungie is deliberately handling their player base this way - or is someone forcing their hands (Activision)? There are so many scenarios here and I can't think of one that make sense. I remember someone talking about how they had to change their vision late game and had to start things over (any truth to this?), which would make a lot of sense content wise. It's a huge company and not being able to ship House of Wolves with a raid is non sense. If they for once could be transparent here, give us their reflection on what is going on and reach out... Will that happen? No.

I'm not even one of those who constantly followed development and marketing of this game, I just tried the alpha and thought "this is a fun game", who were letdown big by Bungie with the final product. But for the first time, even I'm starting to to wonder what the hell is going on.
 
Lets get matchmaking for the raid and the percentage should go up. I'm guessing the main reason so many players haven't completed one is the lack of matchmaking.

It would be a total mess, most of the players are still not geared out, even for the Vault of Glass in Normal, everyone would be one shot in the last part of the raid.
 
My god.

I'll be honest, I really loved playing this game, but the content just wasn't there to make me keep playing it.

Now that I know that Bungie clearly doesn't think there's an issue here, I'm pretty glad I didn't even buy the first DLC. Shooting things in Destiny was so much fun...I just wish there was a little more variety.

This pretty much sums up my experience with the game
 
Great. You like the pvp. Many of the people that play this game only still play it for the raid. You aren't one of them so you can be happy.

Congratulations?

For the small percentage of the Destiny playerbase that actively plays the raids on a continual basis and that is the sole mode that they derive their enjoyment from, then yes, I guess it really does suck for those people. Though I'm unsure if Bungie ever explicitly promissed a new raid with this DLC, or if it was just an assumption by the community that there would be one since TDB featured one.

you're getting value as a PvP player. New guns, maps, armor. If I was you, I'd probably be excited for the expansion.

I, however, loved 6 player co-op. I'm not a fan of PvP. Raids were the main event for a segment of the fan base. 3 player horde mode isn't a suitable replacement. As a PvE guy, this news doesn't cut it. Hence, disappointment

I guess if you only like the 6 man, dungeon crawls of the game then sure. However, I still feel that it's unfair to just dismiss the new mode before they have even defined it. I, personally, am of the opinion that the game is far more fun with 3 players across all phases (PvE and PvP), but I've always felt that way about multiplayer numbers, that fewer players is more fun. For me, yes, I feel that $20 is a fair asking price.

Yes, it's hilarious when a company angers the majority of players still bothering to play it. I'm sure it's all laughs down at Bungie when they read this thread.

I'm almost positive that the number of people who actively raid is not the majority and is in fact the niche. It does suck for those that want a new six player cooperative experience, and I think that they could have designed this new mode to work around 3-6 players. I still think this new mode can be some of the most fun content yet and that people are being too quick to judge it. And like I said above, I'm not sure if Bungie ever explicitly promised a new raid with this DLC, or if it was just assumptions. If it's the latter, then that's the communities fault, much like all the people who thought this game was going to have the same amount of content as an MMO and that the game itself was one as well, even though Bungie repeatedly and explicitly said that that wasn't the case. I knew coming in that the game would be essentially an expanded Halo with gear and some RPG trappings and that's exactly what it is so I've been pretty happy with what has been delivered to this point.

I refuse to pretend to be excited for this. I wanted a new raid and I'm not getting it. I wish I didn't spend money on the season pass.

I think that blindly buying Season Passes is never a good idea unless you are absolutely sure you were going to enjoy and use at least the majority of what it contains. Since you were seemingly only interested in the 6 man raids/PvE, then buying the Pass was probably not a good idea. For me, it's been and will be worth it personally as I've gotten enjoyment from all phases of the game.

What is hyperbolic about those statements? I feel foolish for spending money on this and thinking I'd actually get another raid. And yeah, that other guy probably did delete the game from his hard drive. Is that really that outlandish and hard to believe? Or do you just not really understand what the word means? It's ok if it's the latter, I don't think half the people who use it regularly on here know what it means.

I was mainly speaking on the common hyperbolic negativity that surrounds the game in general. I bought the game with the expectation of it being Halo+ and getting enjoyment from all modes of the game (Single Player PvE, Co-op PvE, and PvP most importantly). I guess if the absolute only reason for a person to play Destiny is for the Raids then yeah, I guess those kind of statements are warranted. Oh well!

For many of us, the raids were, by far, the best part of Destiny. By far. You really can't understand why people would be upset? /gaf

Well, to be fair, all non-raid content falls into this category.

I personally feel that the Raids are completely overrated and lose their novelty almost immediately after people maximize how to overcome them. The first time through they are good fun, but for them to be the only part of the game that people enjoy, I do find a little silly. One of the reasons that they annoy me personally is that as someone whose circle of friends played Halo's multiplayer as a group almost every day, the raids have completely ruined that. None of the people I played Halo with even bother with the game's PvP because all they want to do is RaidRaidRaid. For them, it's less about a good time with friends and playing a game for fun, and more about the reward, and that's so disappointing for me personally. I can understand why those who legitimately get their sole enjoyment from the games' 6 player Raids would be upset though. For me, the Raids have actively hurt the enjoyment I get from playing the game with my friend circle, so I'm okay with their exclusion this time around.

Honestly though, it's more an issue with how the game handles rewards and how it completely shafts the competitive community in terms of rewarding the time commited. Hopefully this is something Bungie better addresses sooner rather than later.

Sorry for the late replies, my internet crapped out and I had to type from my phone lol.
 
New thought
Maybe they gutted the raid and used all the assets they had built to make this new mode instead

I just don't think they would have delayed the raid out of the expansion for later release

Like I said before though
It will be obvious If I am wrong based on the content of the next raid

If the a raid released this year is fallen based than I think any good will they have left will be 100% gone

I really do think this is the scenario that went down. If they were building a Fallen raid and realized it wasn't working, they probably didn't have time to design anything from scratch, thus the Arena mode is born out of one of the largest requests from the community with repurposed assets. Hard to say though. "The Arena" has been a leaked name for the HoW Raid for months now. It's equally likely this was the plan all along.
 
That expansion pass will go down as one of the worst gaming purchases I've ever made.

I echo this statement, was thinking it as I was scrolling down. When I bought everything for this game I never thought it would come with so little content. I'm talking gun types I mean call of duty has more guns than this game. But whatever, I always thought it would be cool if it had different reload animations to equip; you could have like a legendary reloads kind of like blood dragon or battlefield hardline.
 
lol keep chasing that rabbit !
I would actually not be surprised if the DLC after HoW would be substational. Why? Because fucking cheap Bungie and Activision need to sell new DLC passes after HoW. No wonder the first two DLC packs were shitty a fukk. Stupid people like me already bought the pass with the LE. Never gain Bungie, never again.
 
For the small percentage of the Destiny playerbase that actively plays the raids on a continual basis and that is the sole mode that they derive their enjoyment from, then yes, I guess it really does suck for those people. Though I'm unsure if Bungie ever explicitly promissed a new raid with this DLC, or if it was just an assumption by the community that there would be one since TDB featured one.

Im gonna stop you right there. This was their advertisement for the expansion prominently featured on their website from the announcement of the DLC. *see edit* Was linked to the image via bungie forums leading me to beleive it was in an official capacity. It wasn't.

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So yes. Yes they did in fact advertise it as having a raid. At this point somebody should be suing their asses for false advertising. This shit has gone on long enough.

Edit: apparently this ad was not an official reveal but a leak of some sort. I was linked to this ad on bungie.net forums when I asked about the expansion last month leading me to believe it was in an official capacity. Apparently it's not.

That said they had some really misleading advertising about the game prior to release that still feels like it could be worthy of a lawsuit for false advertising.
 
Im gonna stop you right there. This was their advertisement for the expansion prominently featured on their website from the announcement of the DLC until last week

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So yes. Yes they did in fact advertise it as having a raid. At this point somebody should be suing their asses for false advertising. This shit has gone on long enough.
That's insane.
 
Im gonna stop you right there. This was their advertisement for the expansion prominently featured on their website from the announcement of the DLC until last week

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So yes. Yes they did in fact advertise it as having a raid. At this point somebody should be suing their asses for false advertising. This shit has gone on long enough.

This image came from a hacked/datamined copy of the game, and was certainly never "advertised" or "featured prominently on their website."

I understand this news is making a lot of people unhinged, but please provide correct context instead of just lying out your ass with FUD.
 
Im gonna stop you right there. This was their advertisement for the expansion prominently featured on their website from the announcement of the DLC until last week

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So yes. Yes they did in fact advertise it as having a raid. At this point somebody should be suing their asses for false advertising. This shit has gone on long enough.

True, true.

We all gave our money in advance for the Raid.

And it will happen. This will not end well for neither side.

The winter is coming.
 
Im gonna stop you right there. This was their advertisement for the expansion prominently featured on their website from the announcement of the DLC until last week

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So yes. Yes they did in fact advertise it as having a raid. At this point somebody should be suing their asses for false advertising. This shit has gone on long enough.

Hang on, wasn't that from a leak of some kind? I'm pretty sure it was never an actual released ad.
 
Im gonna stop you right there. This was their advertisement for the expansion prominently featured on their website from the announcement of the DLC until last week

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So yes. Yes they did in fact advertise it as having a raid. At this point somebody should be suing their asses for false advertising. This shit has gone on long enough.

That image was from a data leak -- it was not an advertisement. The "Press O to Purchase X to Cancel" prompt should be enough to show you that it was an in-game thingamajig that some people were able to glitch their way into accessing. Why would a website prompt you to press the O button?

No normal player was ever able to see that splash screen for the HoW expansion.
 
This image came from a hacked/datamined copy of the game, and was certainly never "advertised" or "featured prominently on their website."

I understand this news is making a lot of people unhinged, but please provide correct context instead of just lying out your ass with FUD.

Umm no it was the same image they had advertising their expansion pass on their website. Had I known someone would actually debate that fact I would have screencapped it.

Hang on, wasn't that from a leak of some kind? I'm pretty sure it was never an actual released ad.

That image was from a data leak -- it was not an advertisement. The "Press O to Purchase X to Cancel" prompt should be enough to show you that it was an in-game thingamajig that some people were able to glitch their way into accessing. Why would a website prompt you to press the O button?

No normal player was ever able to see that splash screen for the HoW expansion.

The first time the image came out it was probably from the leak that revealed the name of the expansion. After Bungie officially revealed the expansion the same image was used in promotional material on the website. I remember seeing it and thinking "'hundreds of new guns and armor' yea right"
 
I personally feel that the Raids are completely overrated and lose their novelty almost immediately after people maximize how to overcome them. The first time through they are good fun, but for them to be the only part of the game that people enjoy, I do find a little silly. One of the reasons that they annoy me personally is that as someone whose circle of friends played Halo's multiplayer as a group almost every day, the raids have completely ruined that. None of the people I played Halo with even bother with the game's PvP because all they want to do is RaidRaidRaid. For them, it's less about a good time with friends and playing a game for fun, and more about the reward, and that's so disappointing for me personally. I can understand why those who legitimately get their sole enjoyment from the games' 6 player Raids would be upset though. For me, the Raids have actively hurt the enjoyment I get from playing the game with my friend circle, so I'm okay with their exclusion this time around.

Honestly though, it's more an issue with how the game handles rewards and how it completely shafts the competitive community in terms of rewarding the time commited. Hopefully this is something Bungie better addresses sooner rather than later.

Sorry for the late replies, my internet crapped out and I had to type from my phone lol.

Thank you! This is what I felt yet hadn't put into words. I spend the vast majority of my time playing crucible but my clan just wants to do Nightfall strikes and the likes, which honestly are just frustrating with the one hit melee, the elemental armours and all of that stuff.

I do like doing strikes every now and then but my two experiences with Raids now were with people that could practically solo them and were just directing us to whatever cheesing was necessary at that particular point (hiding in this hidden nook, having the whole squad kill itself to respawn elsewhere, etc.)

It's gotten to the point I just do party chat with them and play Crucible while they hunt their drops that will be irrelevant in a month anyway. I'm level 30 and feel no urgency to get to level 32. I'm consistently at the top of the scoreboard in Crucible yet get blue engrams, if that. I don't mind though as I already did the grinding to get an Exotic weapon and armour and I don't really care for getting more so I'm done with the tedious tasks.
 
Im gonna stop you right there. This was their advertisement for the expansion prominently featured on their website from the announcement of the DLC until last week

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So yes. Yes they did in fact advertise it as having a raid. At this point somebody should be suing their asses for false advertising. This shit has gone on long enough.

Were they advertising that or was this the data-mined image that was posted around the web. Bungie has always given the disclaimer that stuff data-mined from their servers was subject to change at any point in time and not representative of the whole picture.

Edit: I see others have already commented saying pretty much exactly what I just said. Thanks guys!
 
Sorry man, I really don't want to be that guy or to specifically target you, but I literally can't think of any full priced game made in the past decade that had less content than Destiny. What games are you thinking of?

This is quite the bit of hyperbole. Destiny's content, listed out, is pretty long - the story missions, strikes, crucible maps, raid, weaponry. It's much larger than any Halo title Bungie ever made by a very long shot. It does not have enough content to justify the end game grind, but that's another kettle of fish.
 
Sorry man, I really don't want to be that guy or to specifically target you, but I literally can't think of any full priced game made in the past decade that had less content than Destiny. What games are you thinking of?

This is quite the bit of hyperbole. Destiny's content, listed out, is pretty long - the story missions, strikes, crucible maps, raid, weaponry. It's much larger than any Halo title Bungie ever made by a very long shot. It does not have enough content to justify the end game grind, but that's another kettle of fish.
I mean damn, I love The Order and I think it was easily a better quality product than Destiny by miles, but it surely has much less content than Destiny.
 
Umm no it was the same image they had advertising their expansion pass on their website. Had I known someone would actually debate that fact I would have screencapped it.

If it's from the web then why does it prompt you to press the X button or the O button?
 
If it's from the web then why does it prompt you to press the X button or the O button?

Like I said I never screencapped it. Thats the first picture I found when I searched for"house of wolves ad" but I never read any of the stuff coming out of the leaks because I didnt want to spoil myself and I remember seeing that image elsewhere and rolling my eyes at the final bullet point.
 
ugh, not doing any more of the easily best content in Destiny and just slap in a generic hordemode? Wasn't the basic formula of 3 waves of enemies in normal missions and strikes enough?
 
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