What do you Think Bloodborne's Sales mean for Sony/From/Souls going Forward

rhandino said:
I'm legit sad at some of the comments here.

Like, people who helped to grow the popularity of the series on PC / Xbox360 are now 2nd class citizens that can be discarded just because Bloodborne sold 1 M while DS1 sold 2.5 when DSII released and DSII sold very well too.

smh,
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Fun thing is, those people dont blame the real guilty here that the souls series goes multiplat: Shu Yoshida. If Shu didnt labeled Demon Souls as a C-Tier game (and didnt even published it in America), Dark Souls probably (very likely) never existed as we know, and Demon's Sould would be a strong Sony IP.
 
ironcreed said:
Handcuffing them? The Souls series allows for more freedom and variety than Bloodborne even dares to offer. Besides, they can creatively do whatever they want with the series going forward and the success of Bloodborne does not mean that they should just abandon it. I mean, it is still pretty popular after only two games and they are not just going to drop that audience yet.
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I meant in terms of style, world building, and lore. In that sense I feel like the Dark Souls universe has already been tapped out a great deal.
 
Lionel Richie said:
No, it is not, because it actually makes sense. The PS4 has a large install base, but lacked a critical success retail exclusive since at the very least Infamous SS. Bloodborne is the first "big" exclusive it got.

Not saying that's why it's selling well, but I can see it being a factor. No need to get defensive.
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Thats not how sales work. By your logic people just buy exclusives because they're exclusive. The PS4's previous exclusives have barely any impact on sales of Bloodborne. If Bloodborne was the only game that game out on the platform for like 3 months then that would affect sales but it being exclusive doesn't have bearing.
 
Triggerhappytel said:
Don't worry; there's zero chance that there won't be a Dark Souls III. I imagine that's been in the works for some time while the technical team worked on porting Scholar of the First Sin. There's no way Bamco are going to let this series go, even if Miyazaki would rather work with Sony.

It's a shame people are bringing console wars into this just because Bloodborne is exclusive. There will be a Dark Souls III. There will almost certainly be Bloodborne II as well. We, the consumers, are the ones that benefit from these great games, and there's no chance they will be pumped out as regularly and robotically as Assassin's Duty.
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Indeed, good sir.
 
Lionel Richie said:
No, it is not, because it actually makes sense. The PS4 has a large install base, but lacked a critical success retail exclusive since at the very least Infamous SS. Bloodborne is the first "big" exclusive it got.

Not saying that's why it's selling well, but I can see it being a factor. No need to get defensive.
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I'm not defensive at all, I find it funny that people actually think gamers sit around "waiting " for the next big exclusive.... most mainstream people don't even know if a game is not on a platform they don't own. "oh that's not on xbox?" is what you would commonly hear from a casual

people bought a bunch of ps4 to play cod, bf, asscreed, destiny, etc. then they realized there was a game that got great reviews called bloodborne and decided to check it out. and the fans were always going to buy.

noone sits around "starving' for exclusives. I would have just bought hardline if bloodborne turned out mediocre and moved on with my life.


Hardline probably outsold BB , BB sold well on its merits and positive word of mouth, not due to some "starving" phenomenon. There's plenty of other games people can buy they aren't buying BB for charity.
 
Sephzilla said:
I actually don't want Bloodborne to get a direct sequel. If Miyazaki wants to do more Souls games let him do more spiritual sequels that give him more freedom to introduce new ideas.

Alternatively, I'd love to see a Dark Souls 1 remaster happen. Out of all of the Souls games, it's the one that needs a remaster the most. DS1 doesn't have dedicated servers, Blighttown had a bad FPS drop, and Black Magic could use a nerf.
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Mm this is what I want. I'd never need to buy another game.
 
Triggerhappytel said:
Don't worry; there's zero chance that there won't be a Dark Souls III. I imagine that's been in the works for some time while the technical team worked on porting Scholar of the First Sin. There's no way Bamco are going to let this series go, even if Miyazaki would rather work with Sony.
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I agree that DS3 is a sure thing but what does Bamco has to do with it? The IP belongs to From Software and now to Kadokawa which they may now choose to publish it themselves worldwide this time.
 
I hope for the inevitable next project Sony puts the same kind of faith in Miyazaki as they did with Naughty Dog and let him make whatever he wants if thats what he wants to do. Would love to see what other amazing games can spring from his mind.
 
Triggerhappytel said:
Don't worry; there's zero chance that there won't be a Dark Souls III. I imagine that's been in the works for some time while the technical team worked on porting Scholar of the First Sin. There's no way Bamco are going to let this series go, even if Miyazaki would rather work with Sony.

It's a shame people are bringing console wars into this just because Bloodborne is exclusive. There will be a Dark Souls III. There will almost certainly be Bloodborne II as well. We, the consumers, are the ones that benefit from these great games, and there's no chance they will be pumped out as regularly and robotically as Assassin's Duty.
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And the success of Bloodborne is good for everyone because it grows the Souls community, Dark Souls III will probably get picked up by quite a few people who started Souls with Bloodborne.
 
Seanspeed said:
I'm not worried we won't get one. I'm worried that it's not going to be given as much attention/care like with Dark Souls 2.

I enjoyed DS2 and think it's a quality game, but there's no doubt it's far less inspired than Bloodborne. I suppose you have to not own a PS4 to understand...
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Well I haven't played Dark Souls 2 yet (kept putting it off for some reason), so I can't compared it to Dark Souls 1 and Bloodborne yet. So I can't really agree or disagree with you on that.
 
What I hope is that the industry learns that there is actually a huge market our there for challening games.

As for Sony and From... Well, Bloodborne 2 seems kinda obvious. Demons Souls HD could also be a possibility.
 
Sephzilla said:
I meant in terms of style, world building, and lore. In that sense I feel like the Dark Souls universe has already been tapped out a great deal.
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Yeah, the fact that Dark II is so much of the same from Dark I is a pretty good sign of this. If they do a Dark Souls III(which they probably will) I hope they get more creative with the plot and lore than Dark II. They can probably do more just fine, but for what ever reason they decided to do "Dark Souls Again". Maybe they should go the route of Final Fantasy and just do a new universe for every Dark game.
 
Obviously we will see some Bloodborne DLC in a few months. After that? I dont think "Bloodborne" as a IP has much room to grow. Feels like a 1 and done spinoff of Souls.

TBH I think everything has lined up for Miyazaki to return to Dark Souls. The DS2 team was probably hard at work on DLC and the remaster right up until the time Bloodborne ended development. I dont see why he wouldn't be returning to that now.

Whatever happens. Dark Souls 3 is coming.

I could see then trying something new and not just another take on Souls as well but Dark Souls 3 is still probably the next big thing from them.


Could also just see them maybe another "new" Souls IP just because Dark seems tapped out. Lots of dumb directions FROM can go really. Should be fun.

Maybe Nintendo fund a game from them? Its kind of weird there is this big Japanese grown hit and they dont have a taste.
 
For all those people complaining about the Souls games ignoring their fans on other systems I assume you only own those other systems and that its not some kind altruistic gesture at all, but rather a self centered one?
 
Apathy said:
But it's already been proven that "exclusives" don't really make a huge difference. Multiplatforms still sell better than exclusives. People are not starving for exclusive games on the system and if they were exclusives would be the one selling better than multiplats. In fact if it were true, The Order would be the first big exclusive since Second Son and we would have already heard it hitting a million, which we didn't.
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I kind of agree with your point, but Bloodborne is different in the sense that it was the first big exclusive that was a critical success, it by itself feels like an event. It doesn't directly impacts the sales, but it helps to build more hype which does help the sales.

It's a factor. Bloodborne also released in a month where there was pretty much nothing else in a thus far slowish year for games, it had the Souls brand somewhat backing it and it is a fucking incredible game. Everything helps.

Edit: just to be clear, my point is that it being an exclusive helps the sales, but it doesn't not explain it alone. It's just a factor.
 
StrongBlackVine said:
That only happened because Sony passed on publishing Demon's Souls outside of Japan. It won't happen again.
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It really is in From's hands. If they can, they'll make a Bloodborne clone with another name, multiplat and a third party publisher.

It's more like Sony and From's relationship and agreements to see or not that happen.
 
It means that the partnership between Sony and From is going to remain...

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Bloodborne 2 is pretty much a given at this point.
 
DARK SOULS 2 team has to be working on something now that the DX11 version of the game is out.

NBGI would be stupid if they didn't take the advantage of the Souls game heat thanks to Bloodborne. If fact it kinda makes sense to me that they released DS2 on PS4/ONE so close to Bloodborne.

I can also see Microsoft approaching Kadokawa to do something exclusive to XBOX.
 
ironcreed said:
They would piss off legions of fans across the PC, Xbox and PlayStation communities if they dropped Dark Souls. They have only made 2 since going multiplat and there is no reason to drop that in favor of doing just Bloodborne with Sony and/or some new IP. No, I don't see them doing it, either.
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I still dont see it pissing off leigons of fans as long as whatever they create next is compelling and multiplat, also why would they drop dark souls to just do bb with sony? They have multiple teams at fromsoft so having 200+ people working on 1 exclusive game after theyve experienced multiplat success is kinda stupid.
 
Jomjom said:
I hope for the inevitable next project Sony puts the same kind of faith in Miyazaki as they did with Naughty Dog and let him make whatever he wants if thats what he wants to do. Would love to see what other amazing games can spring from his mind.
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Didn't they just do that? His next game will probably have similar mechanics and design even if it is another new IP.
 
Sephzilla said:
I meant in terms of style, world building, and lore. In that sense I feel like the Dark Souls universe has already been tapped out a great deal.
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This amazing and deep universe tapped out after only 2 games? Nope. And again, the sky is the limit, man. They can literally create anything they want going forward. If anything, I only see the series getting even more popular with the success of FROM.

On another note, the release of Scholar of the First Sin on the new systems is no accident. There will be Dark Souls III on PC, PS4 and Xbox One and it will be glorious. I will be elated to have the so called 'B-team' from Dark Souls II make it as well.
 
ArchedThunder said:
Yeah, the fact that Dark II is so much of the same from Dark I is a pretty good sign of this. If they do a Dark Souls III(which they probably will) I hope they get more creative with the plot and lore than Dark II. They can probably do more just fine, but for what ever reason they decided to do "Dark Souls Again". Maybe they should go the route of Final Fantasy and just do a new universe for every Dark game.
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Yeah, if Dark Souls 3 was a new universe a la Final Fantasy and not a direct sequel to DS2 I would be 100% on board with that.

ironcreed said:
This amazing and deep universe tapped out after only 2 games? Nope. And again, the sky is the limit, man. They can literally create anything they want going forward. If anything, I only see the series getting even more popular with the success of FROM.

On another note, the release of Scholar of the First Sin on the new systems is no accident. There will be Dark Souls III on PC, PS4 and Xbox One and it will be glorious. I will be elated to have the so called 'B-team' from Dark Souls II make it as well.
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Subjectively, I found Dark Souls 2's world and lore boring and uninteresting compared to what Dark Souls 1 did. And from a design perspective, recycling Ornstein fairly early in the game for a nostalgia boss fight didn't do any favors.
 
Jomjom said:
I hope for the inevitable next project Sony puts the same kind of faith in Miyazaki as they did with Naughty Dog and let him make whatever he wants if thats what he wants to do. Would love to see what other amazing games can spring from his mind.
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They already did and the end product was BB. Sony didn't make Miyazaki make another souls game and put in in Victoria/Lovecraftian world. This is the amazing game that sprung from his mind when given free reign, it's the story he wanted to tell with mechanics that are familiar.
 
Valentus said:
It really is in From's hands. If they can, they'll make a Bloodborne clone with another name, multiplat and a third party publisher.

It's more like Sony and From's relationship and agreements to see or not that happen.
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They only did that because Sony wasn't supporting them. I would say Bloodborne more than makes up for that mistake so there is no reason to make a clone. They still have Dark Souls for multiplatform.
 
I hope that.

For Sony: It makes them realize that if they focus on making good games rather than graphical showcases they can still get good sales while strengthening their brand.

For FROM: It gives them confidence that what people love isn't the medieval fantasy setting but rather the gameplay and core game mechanics of the "Souls Franchise". I hope that thx to this the next "Souls" game does once again change up the Setting. (they just have to read the GAF threads about it, lots of good ideas in there)

For Both: Hopefully good DLC support for Bloodborne and mabye future projects together
 
mcrommert said:
They are going to have to stay inexpensive games to make as they lack a large audience appeal. They aren't tentpole games...to compare a single system game, Halo 4 sold 3.1 million in 24 hours. I think From's games will continue to have a medium sized dedicated audience

Edit: better comparison for this early in gen 3.3 million halo 3 in 12 days
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That's a terrible comparison, what were you thinking?

And as for the OP, I just hope the robust sales means more Souls games on any platform. I have a pc, ps4, xbox one, etc. I just need Souls games (including Bloodborne) on those platforms, and I'd like them to remain challenging and continue to innovate. They'd be crazy to mess up the momentum now, they have delivered some awesome games thus far and have lots of room to grow and increase the brand.
 
TheOhrenberger. said:
I just hope the next entry into the series isn't exclusive to one platform. I'd really like to play it.
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Why does it seem we have to go through this every time a BB thread comes up. Sony payed From to make them a game. Sony owns the IP. It will always be on a Sony platform. If you want to play it get a ps4 (or ps5 for the eventual Definitive Edition hat will probably come out). Any game with the Bloodborne name won't be anywhere else.
 
...and another thing.

Get that guide book out ASAP!

There's a million players out there who are struggling to understand what just happened.
 
Kuro-Law said:
I still dont see it pissing off leigons of fans as long as whatever they create next is compelling and multiplat, also why would they drop dark souls to just do bb with sony? They have multiple teams at fromsoft so having 200+ people working on 1 exclusive game after theyve experienced multiplat success is kinda stupid.
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The guy I was quoting was suggesting that most Souls fans probably have moved on to PS4 for Bloodborne, so dropping the series for Bloodborne and maybe something else would not affect many fans. Which is of course ludicrous.

To your point that a great new IP would be welcomed in place of the Souls series, I am sure many would love it. Yet it still makes zero sense to do so at this point, which you even eluded to yourself. That is what I am saying.
 
Servbot #42 said:
You mean that Door in Cathedral ward? That door is closed because of lore reasons.
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Thanks. This made me look it up and yeah, it's nothing more than I originally thought. It might have even been a shortcut at some point along the way, which would make sense. I wonder if it still might end up being used at some point.

I really hope we get some really good DLC and then I really hope From moves on to something new again.
 
Apathy said:
Why does it seem we have to go through this every time a BB thread comes up. Sony payed From to make them a game. Sony owns the IP. It will always be on a Sony platform. If you want to play it get a ps4 (or ps5 for the eventual Definitive Edition hat will probably come out). Any game with the Bloodborne name won't be anywhere else.
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The question is really if FROM wants to do any more work for hire games. Now that they're owned by Kadokawa they should hopefully have enough financial security to fund their own games without relying on another publisher. And they've already proven that they can mobilise their fanbase without relying on an existing IP, so there's little reason for them to make a Bloodborne 2.
 
Sephzilla said:
Subjectively, I found Dark Souls 2's world and lore boring and uninteresting compared to what Dark Souls 1 did. And from a design perspective, recycling Ornstein fairly early in the game for a nostalgia boss fight didn't do any favors.
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That's great and I respect your opinion. But the fact of the matter is that the game still did well, many also love it and the Souls fanbase is firmly in place awaiting Dark Souls 3. Which is inevitable and you can bank on it. ;)
 
I think it's almost guaranteed that we're going to be getting a Dark Souls 3 from the DS2 team either 2016 or 2017 and then Miyazaki will either go on to do a Bloodborne 2 or ideally he'll create another spiritual successor with a new setting and concept.

I would be totally happy with another "Souls" game with the Bloodborne engine, the art design is stunning..just focus on stability FROM. We don't need fancy new effects, I just want a stable game. Minimal or at least brief load times, stable 30 fps.
 
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