JoduanER2
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Then WTF is going on here, if this is true the PS4 and XONE versions are very poorly optimized, or im missing something...
GTA V PS4: 1080@30, Core i3/750Ti: 1080@60. How is this possible?
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Then WTF is going on here, if this is true the PS4 and XONE versions are very poorly optimized, or im missing something...
It's a DF 'platform vs' thread basically. It's no different than how the PS4 vs XB1 face offs go down on a regular basis, which I see you participate in plenty, so I would have thought you'd be accustomed to this sort of behaviour.
That's an extremely naive and binary comparison. AMD has high-end, performant CPU's too, the PS4/XB1 just have a low-powered cheap netbook CPU.
Windom Earle
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Yes, you are.
1. DF did not test in real gameplay situations, let alone in the very foliage intensive areas.
2. There is no way the i3/750 combo reaches a locked 60 fps, and who wants a variable framerate without Gsync? Just take a look at the PC performance thread to get an idea on how the game performs.
3. At least the PS4 version is pretty much locked at 30 and very stable after the lastest patch. We don't know the unlocked fps.
4. 750ti is a 2gb card that will have trouble with high/very high textures.
I already expected this, but it's still pretty damn irrational behavior. It's better now, though. The first few pages were far worse.
This! I was thinking the exact same thing! They were not even driving in extremely busy streets. Furthermore, I really doubt the PS4 version has all settings on high. A few should be slightly higher.
Not really, the consoles aren't as plug-and-play as they used to be. My original point still stands.
I have learned to use its features. I've gone through the settings and ticked all the boxes that allegedly allow me to install patches while the console is off, yet I'm still met with patches in my download list that haven't been done. The feature doesn't work well enough to be significant. Consoles are still less plug-and-play than they used to be while pc's are becoming more-so, is there any problem you still have with this point?Shadowkilla said:
AMD's 'high end' CPU's are often about on par or worse than Intel's i3 processors in actual gaming conditions.
As for the consoles, they do have low powered CPU's, but they did at least throw 8 cores in there. That does count for something. Combined with low level access, it means they're still relatively capable, they're just not nearly as good as the better desktop CPU's.
Just unsure why you're so taken aback here yet I've never seen you mention this sort of thing in any of the DF threads I see you in regularly that are no different. And even in this thread, singling out PC gamers when there's plenty of irrational behaviour from console gamers as well.
In regards to 2 why?
Gurantee most gaffers would fail a dpc latency check. Yet some of us who are whores for ocing here or other placers don't have half the problems or complaints most do. I will freely admit most of the pc version problems but only for things that are game dependent not OS/Bios. I have what I need tested and recorded just need to upload and make the posts which is due soon.
You can't compare the console versions vs certain pc specs. The first reason you admitted which is that the settings for any console version vs pc cannot be done without knowing what rockstar uses. Good luck getting that info yet making the point you keep doing on this particular aspect of performance. Comparing to 60fps standards to 30fps isn't the same especially if fidelity isn't 1 to 1.
Some of us get the 30fps crowd is happy with the console version. For some of us who waited 3 years to just get 60fps locked or not even plus there is no other version of the game to use. Same if we don't like playing the series with only a gamepad.
texhnolyze
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It's pretty normal here on Gaf.
derExperte
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They also bring out Javin98 and his tired catchphrases.
There's nothing wrong with the situation at all. PS4 and XB1 are now performing as they should with low tier CPU's in comparison to stronger components.
PS4 has more graphical geometry in the environment and less FPS drops than XB1 due to its HW advantages, but it maintains a stable 30fps. I think that's the expected conclusion.
What i don't understand, is why now XB1 has all the FPS drops and issues when DF said it was a CPU issue specifically the reason for PS4 having drops back when they first tested the two.
Dredd97
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yes your talking rubbish
because the background download feature doesn't seem to work for you (seriously check your settings) it's an imaginary feature I've just dreamt up?
Do you really have a PS4 or are you trolling for the fun of it?
Haint
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What's with the dithering artifact over the aliasing?
Windom Earle
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Because I have the game, I know what my GPU can do and I know what a 750 can do. I also have the impressions from others in the PC performance thread.
I might be wrong, but this is why this DF article sucks... No in-depth analysis.
I don't know if the rest of your post is directed at me, but I think not...
Dunno, doesn't look like that when I play the game. Might be connected to MFAA?
ShadowkillXNA
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Getting tired from dragging those goalposts around yet ? You initially called downloading updates in rest mode an "alleged feature" now you say it doesn't work well ?
Dont know what to tell you, works flawlessly on my end.
And my problem with your assertion that consoles are less plug and play than they used to be is that its wrong in my eyes.
Again show me the console before the ps4 that because of hdmi-cec would turn on the receiver and tv automatically and set the inputs automatically just by turning on the console. I have gone through a samsung tv, vizio tv and sony tv since last August and this feature worked with all of them.
Show me the console that started installing games automatically when the disk was first inserted and was ready to start the game less than two minutes later. Game installs existed last gen in some cases but now you can play while it installs. How is that less plug and play ?
Anyway this is my last post on the subject, this is too far off-topic.
I'm not changing the goal posts. I don't see the feature, I have it ticked but it isn't working. I'm assuming it's one of the many small problems with the PS4 OS right now.
I think you'd agree with the crux of my point if we agreed on what time frame we are using. The consoles haven't been as user friendly or plug-and-play since the release of the PS3. The PS3 and 360 still did have advantages over pc, but the main advantage of being quick and easy has been diminished.
you mean a TI right?
Impressions aren't emperical data that's my problem with the thread and it's rampant about one complaint in pc gaming that is common and has a real cause that comes before any game is installed. The game has legitimate faults like memory leaks and that it could easily use the same love the consoles got but for what we got vs a certain leaked video we had they improved the game a ton.
I'm not being personal just going after a faulty opinion that in a tech or performance discussion needs to be put in perspective.
We do agree it's a trashy click bait df article shame they could easily make or keep a respectable name but want to waste it these days.
Crimsonclaw111
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Is it fair to assume that GTAV PC's normal settings are the console equivalents or no?
Windom Earle
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Yeah, I mean the TI of course. As I said, I might be wrong and you could actually the game locked at 60 by turning some things down a lot. I really doubt that this situation would match PS4 settings, but maybe they will do a more thorough test in the future and we will find out.
Yeah, it's a bad article and an even worse thread, so it is good that the OP got juniored for it.
Portugeezer
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When I read the title and saw who made the thread, I knew how it would go down.
texhnolyze
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I believe at least the textures are on high.
Hip Hop
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No,
from what I've seen, the textures are pretty bad when on Normal. Consoles (even the 360/PS3) have better textures than normal in some cases.
CharmingCharlie
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I think you could call them last gen (360/PS3) console equivalent settings. The high/very high settings are more likely to be the settings for this gen (PS4/Xbone). The thing is we don't know unless Rockstar actually tell us (they told us some of the console settings for GTA 4).
Not very. some areas are 60 but drops to 50fps alot
Crimsonclaw111
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Thanks. I didn't try normal textures myself.
I don't think the PS4 is all that high in certain areas. The game also enjoys a decent bit of optimization you can tell isn't in the pc version when you go to certain areas. How rockstar missed machines chugging at night or even online in dense situations is beyond me.
No platform is avoiding a dense online situation of max players and cops stacking up so no version is perfect if we are using game crushing situations to lower the fps. The pc foilage is that much better as well so it's not 1 to 1.
Others would argue that the ps4 settings are very high, if not a secret ultra setting.
EmptySpace
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Yes, and the GPU is nothing to brag about either. The XB1 is even worse. And to think that both companies had to be dragged to those specs by devs kicking and screaming. We're in for a short gen. PC's have the lead now and we will likely never see a console launch that tops them again.
I like the idea of a short gen, some of the games on last gen systems were struggling to run well toward the end. Why do you think that we are actually in for a short generation though? I think as long as consumers don't realize it, the major hardware manufacturers aren't going to want to upgrade the hardware if they can help it. I mean we will probably get the slim models, and more of them than usual, but haven't Microsoft actually said that they intend for this life cycle to be longer?
Don't count on it. I heard the same exact nonsense last gen.
family_guy
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The way people act this gen, it's surprising how the majority of people made it through last gen with sub 720p resolution and 20-30 fps. Sometimes these discussions can be toxic. It wasn't until I was a member of this site that I started playing PC games with FRAPs in the background to see what my framerate was. Never even cared before.
You're right. But I hope you don't think that's a good thing.
And the answer to the riddle...another riddle:
What platform did GTA 1 launch on first? Here's a hint: 2 players over serial cable
Portugeezer
Member
Never heard that about GPU performance, only the RAM.
Altered Juice
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Well, variable framerates absolutely are acceptable on my PC because I have a gsync monitor and variable framerates are perceptually perfectly smooth.
In any case, the game's framerate is averaging 60fps on the gtx 750ti, so that obviously means it's also going much higher as well. 60fps is the average.
boredandlazy
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Alexandros got juniored?
Such a shame. Such a damn shame.
OT though, wasn't there an article only a week or so ago about how a core I3 is perfectly adequate for gaming under most circumstances? And the 750ti card still costs over $200 in Australia, so it doesn't surprise me that much it can run the game decently. Plus well done to Rockstar for their optimisation too.
Such a shame. Such a damn shame.
OT though, wasn't there an article only a week or so ago about how a core I3 is perfectly adequate for gaming under most circumstances? And the 750ti card still costs over $200 in Australia, so it doesn't surprise me that much it can run the game decently. Plus well done to Rockstar for their optimisation too.
That's not how it works.
For all you know, the PS4 version may perform exactly the same - but they still made the decision to lock it to 30fps, for whatever reasons, most likely that the framerate isn't consistent enough or filled with screen tearing, or that reducing the fidelity / IQ further to reach a consistent 60fps would not sell... who knows; they felt the experience was better with a locked 30fps for the consoles. That's their decision to make on a console, which is either bad from you point of view, or something many people don't give a shit about.
Reality has a pc gamer bias.
Silly question but what exactly is the Core i3 3140? The article mentions it here and there but has no actual benchmarks with it. Is it a laptop processor?
Also, glad to see DF only now realized that a 750Ti outperforms a console. A whole year late there.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=771620
Also, glad to see DF only now realized that a 750Ti outperforms a console. A whole year late there.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=771620
Really don't really matter to those of us that own both a PS4 and gaming PC....both platforms will have their advantages when it comes to utilizing their own hardware config. I see some amazing looking games coming out on PS4 soon along with some bad ass PC games that look mind blowing as well. Not sure if this is another bait thread or what...but this is same old thread that keeps cloning itself over and over and over. lol
You know what? Who really gives a damn...some games just work better with brute force CPU's while others will be super efficient running on static hardware like PS4. Make no mistake about it....PS4 will set some new bars in terms of visuals that have not been done on PC and vise verse....give Sony's first party studios, those that have talent of course get a full grip on PS4 architecture and that same setup your spouting about won't be able to do what some PS4 games are capable of doing...it all boils down to how the game was coded in the engine,etc. This is a last gen game now...lets keep that in mind, it's not exactly developed for the PS4...i mean it dont take a rocket scientist to figure out the math here.
I am very excited to see PC finally get DX12 for closer to the metal access like consoles always had an advantage with. Using a last gen game to prove your point (if that is your agenda of course) is useless, Again, not saying that is your motive but time and time again these same kind of threads keep popping up so often. Really to have the best of both worlds...a gamer really needs to own a PS4 and a gaming PC...there are gonna be just too many mind blowing PS4 games coming out that won't see the light of day on PC.
boredandlazy
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They probably mean the 4130.
Abdul Hafeez
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Consoles just aren't what they used to be. If we're already seeing such great performance from DX11, then DX12 is just going to bridge the gap further. The consoles' lower API overhead advantage seems to be almost non-existent for multi-platform games at this point. Some exclusive games will probably do cool stuff and we might still be impressed with things like a future GTA6 on PS4/X1, but the PC will continue to be the best place for 3rd party games. If a 750Ti is already exceeding PS4 performance, then what is the low-end Pascal card going to do?
This is how i feel as well. I was a big PC gamer in my teens but moved over to consoles due to simplicity of gaming, cost and exclusive games, lately it seems to me the PC landscape has changed a lot, with steam big picture, control pad support and the relatively low spec-ed and affordable PC components that can get 1080p60 is, in my mind, relegating consoles to exclusives only.
I plan on building a gaming machine this summer and i should be able to for $1,000 (not including the monitor) get a gaming PC that easily run all games at 1080p60 at ultra. My ps4 will just be a Sony exclusive's game console.
googleplex
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Alexandros man.... was it really worth your thread making privileges just for an opportunity to troll console gamers?
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