Iron man got wrecked pretty good, I'm pretty sure Thor could kill him if that went any longer.
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Batman v Superman [Official Trailer Release]
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Iron man got wrecked pretty good, I'm pretty sure Thor could kill him if that went any longer.
TheKaeptain
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And Batman cheats like A-Rod.
Let's be real, Superman could punt Batman into the sun if he felt like it.
Superman isn't even the strongest guy in the Justice League in regards to power level. I'll never understand the "Superman is OP" comments. This idea that he is invincible and can't be beaten hasn't been a thing in the comics for, what, 4, maybe 5 decades.
I didn't realize the Civil War trailer leaked.
unholyrevenger72
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MCU Thor felt out of the Nerf Tree and hit every branch.
Someone post the gif of thor in struggling in the falling prison cell from Avengers, or getting slapped around by Kurse
He's Batman though, presumably the one from the comics (the unbeatable genius who knows everyone's weaknesses, thinks five steps ahead, and knows advanced chemistry, physics, anatomy, etc). It won't (or shouldn't be, anyways) a contest of brute force.
BadMediaKarma
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It doesn't matter what you think could happen. It didn't happen period. Batman can use kryptonite and cheat his way into beating him.
Surely you're joking.
I thought kryptonite doesn't exist in this universe.
It doesn't exist in MoS. Snyder didn't say it would never exist.
Well then by his own standards "It doesn't matter what you think could happen. It didn't happen period" there is none.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I think it's because of the characters.
Superman should be above fighting somebody who is basically like an ant to him. He should know better. It's like when a toddler antagonizes an adult. It's kind of ridiculous for the adult to engage the toddler in combat and stomp his ass.
And on the flip side, Batman is supposed to be incredibly smart and cunning. And it's very hard to imagine a set of circumstances through which engaging a god like Superman in a physical contest of all things could be considered smart or cunning.
So yes, whilst context may very well lay all of these fears to rest, the context of the trailer images followed by the title Batman v Superman does inspire the fear that maybe the filmmakers really are just fulfilling some nerd wish fulfillment at the expense of satisfying narrative motivation.
I don't understand how others don't understand this reaction. Using Frank Miller's TDKR book as an example to assuage these fears is maybe the worst response, since the motivation for these characters to physically fight as they do in that book is just as dumb as the things we're fearing now.
But as I said before. We barely have any context for what Snyder is going for, so they have every opportunity to prove those doubts wrong and thus have the benefit of the doubt so far.
BadMediaKarma
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I have no idea. At the end of the day it's a comic book movie. Power levels are only made up by the writers of said script. There have been plenty of animated movies where Kal El was nerfed to hell and got beat by average villains. It's not out of the ordinary in this scenario for him to be nerfed.
But we know his power level. I'm supposed to belive batman has any chance when he was doing shit like this?
BadMediaKarma
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Any "doubts" are by people who already have their minds made up before we even saw any footage.
I already posted that Snyder never said that kryptonite doesn't exists, opening the possibility of it being used in this film and you keep posting the same stuff. We haven't seen the movie, we don't know Batman's motivations, we don't know how the fight is going to play out, we don't know how Batman levels the playing field. We don't know anything.
BadMediaKarma
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At the end of the day this is basically it. We know nothing. Only going by some of what goes on in DKR of course. Even then they said it's an original plot. Which is perfect
SCULLIBUNDO
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Let's get real though.
Nobody wants Superman's powers watered-down. Yet, at the same time, nobody wants Kryptonite introduced into this fight, because Kryptonite in a setup like this is just the worst get-out-of-jail-free card imaginable. It's boring and uninteresting.
What would be interesting is to witness Batman's cunning, his brain over Superman's brawn. Find a way to put Superman in a situation in which brute strength isn't the measure of the playing field, because Batman is smart enough to know that isn't how you beat Superman. When Michael Jordan wants to adopt the same dog from the kennel that you do, you don't challenge him to a fucking basketball game to decide who gets to keep it. You change the game.
One of the greatest things about the Joker in Nolan's TDK was how clearly it was shown that all of Batman's strength and training and money meant jack shit when the opposition is playing an entirely different ball game where those talents don't mean anything.
Nobody wants Superman's powers watered-down. Yet, at the same time, nobody wants Kryptonite introduced into this fight, because Kryptonite in a setup like this is just the worst get-out-of-jail-free card imaginable. It's boring and uninteresting.
What would be interesting is to witness Batman's cunning, his brain over Superman's brawn. Find a way to put Superman in a situation in which brute strength isn't the measure of the playing field, because Batman is smart enough to know that isn't how you beat Superman. When Michael Jordan wants to adopt the same dog from the kennel that you do, you don't challenge him to a fucking basketball game to decide who gets to keep it. You change the game.
One of the greatest things about the Joker in Nolan's TDK was how clearly it was shown that all of Batman's strength and training and money meant jack shit when the opposition is playing an entirely different ball game where those talents don't mean anything.
EroticSushi
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But we know his power level. I'm supposed to belive batman has any chance when he was doing shit like this?
There's only so many reasons out there for Batman to be on the same level as him.
RastaMentality
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Damn, my friend and I got 8 total. There were so many left and we were at the end of the line. Idk why they gave a shit at yours.
BadMediaKarma
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I'd appreciate another movie not made around what fans want it to be. I have faith this will be one of the best super hero movies in years since DoFP. I'm more excited about Diana's appearance. The fact that since FOX made Elektra we haven't had a single female super hero in the forefront. I'm glad FOX and DC know what they're doing. I have faith they will once again bring a serious tone and actual coherent plots to the table.
Kenzodielocke
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The charge or the whole scene might not even be in the movie.
But we know his power level. I'm supposed to belive batman has any chance when he was doing shit like this?
Not gonna lie, BvS will make it hard to watch MoS with that hideous filter.
Even on a night setting BvS looks more colorful lol
The Batman and Superman crossover movie is not made around what fans want.
Yeah sure.
BossDarkseid
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Of course, but he never, ever would.
CuckFupertino
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I get the criticism people level at Snyder and Man of Steel, even if I don't personally agree. Snyder is a bit gratuitous and has a distinctive visual flair, and that's bound to be divisive. I can also appreciate that people are fatigued with the "grim dark" tone the movie has set forth so far. I tend to disagree that it's overdone (I think a bit of darkness is exactly what Superman needed to make him relevant again), but once again - I can see where people are coming from.
I don't understand how people on a video game messaging board (we're all ostensibly "nerds" to one degree or another) reading a thread about a comic book movie have never read nor seen the inspiration source for this movie. People asking "Why are Batman and Superman fighting?" have clearly never read The Dark Knight Returns, which to me is baffling. Even if you haven't read it, you should be aware of it. Spend 10 or 15 minutes on Wikipedia. Now, obviously this isn't an adaptation of that story - clearly Snyder is just borrowing certain elements. I do think it's fair to assume that Snyder will be pitting Supes and Bats against each other for their differing philosophies, similar to TDKR.
Superman is the Big Blue Boy Scout, and is likely working with governments around the globe to prevent disasters. At the end of Man of Steel, Clark told Col. Lennox that it would be on his own terms, but let's remember that he's still a relatively naive hero who really wasn't a "hero" at all before the Battle of Metropolis. Nobody had seen him in the costume before then. So, it makes sense to a degree that he might be manipulated by governments into doing something questionable. I think what's most likely is that he enables Lex Luthor to attain some position of power, and Bruce Wayne's proximity with Luthor in the business world brings him into the fold.
Now, Batman has obviously always been someone who operates outside of the law even while trying to uphold parts of it (read: he doesn't kill people, he turns them over to the police for trial). He's also a loner, and aside from allying with Jim Gordon, he doesn't cooperate with the police or the government (and may be seen as an antagonist by them). This is bound to bring Batman into conflict with Superman, because either A) the government tells Superman that Batman is a threat/villain, similar (but with obvious differences) to TDKR, or B) Batman antagonizes Superman to prevent Lex from making his ultimate play (whatever the 3rd act baddie is), since Supes has been furthering Lex's agenda unbeknownst to him.
Ultimately, the fight between Superman and Batman isn't really all that philosophically different than Cap's fight with Stark in Civil War. Cap and Stark disagree on trading liberties for protection, much as Batman might disagree with hanging up his cowl for Superman's (and whoever is pulling his strings) protection.
I don't understand how people on a video game messaging board (we're all ostensibly "nerds" to one degree or another) reading a thread about a comic book movie have never read nor seen the inspiration source for this movie. People asking "Why are Batman and Superman fighting?" have clearly never read The Dark Knight Returns, which to me is baffling. Even if you haven't read it, you should be aware of it. Spend 10 or 15 minutes on Wikipedia. Now, obviously this isn't an adaptation of that story - clearly Snyder is just borrowing certain elements. I do think it's fair to assume that Snyder will be pitting Supes and Bats against each other for their differing philosophies, similar to TDKR.
Superman is the Big Blue Boy Scout, and is likely working with governments around the globe to prevent disasters. At the end of Man of Steel, Clark told Col. Lennox that it would be on his own terms, but let's remember that he's still a relatively naive hero who really wasn't a "hero" at all before the Battle of Metropolis. Nobody had seen him in the costume before then. So, it makes sense to a degree that he might be manipulated by governments into doing something questionable. I think what's most likely is that he enables Lex Luthor to attain some position of power, and Bruce Wayne's proximity with Luthor in the business world brings him into the fold.
Now, Batman has obviously always been someone who operates outside of the law even while trying to uphold parts of it (read: he doesn't kill people, he turns them over to the police for trial). He's also a loner, and aside from allying with Jim Gordon, he doesn't cooperate with the police or the government (and may be seen as an antagonist by them). This is bound to bring Batman into conflict with Superman, because either A) the government tells Superman that Batman is a threat/villain, similar (but with obvious differences) to TDKR, or B) Batman antagonizes Superman to prevent Lex from making his ultimate play (whatever the 3rd act baddie is), since Supes has been furthering Lex's agenda unbeknownst to him.
Ultimately, the fight between Superman and Batman isn't really all that philosophically different than Cap's fight with Stark in Civil War. Cap and Stark disagree on trading liberties for protection, much as Batman might disagree with hanging up his cowl for Superman's (and whoever is pulling his strings) protection.
Here's the ant sized version. Brought the brightness up a bit in Photoshop since the original was nearly pitch black. Seeing Supes run like that looks silly.
I can't wait to see the fallout after all the destruction they cause!
Miles Quaritch
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Here's the ant sized version. Brought the brightness up a bit in Photoshop since the original was nearly pitch black. Seeing Supes run like that looks silly.
WHAT!
WHAT!
Batman moves a lot faster than I thought he would in that suit. I love it as it means he's likely even faster in his stock costume.
Here's the ant sized version. Brought the brightness up a bit in Photoshop since the original was nearly pitch black. Seeing Supes run like that looks silly.
So i guess only Faora has super speed?
Whoever recorded that gif has balls of steel. Isn't there possible $15 000 fine?
Edit: also supes running is fine. Dont see why he has to fly when batman is 15 metres away.
What difference does it make anyway? We all know batman is going to get his ass whooped. I'm a huge batman fan, but supes mos is way too powerful to be beaten.
Edit: also supes running is fine. Dont see why he has to fly when batman is 15 metres away.
What difference does it make anyway? We all know batman is going to get his ass whooped. I'm a huge batman fan, but supes mos is way too powerful to be beaten.
unholyrevenger72
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There's just one problem, they do play the same game, and Batman isn't a Villain that will kill indiscriminately. Short of deus ex machina, Outrageously advanced tech or Kryptonite, Batman can't defeat Superman no matter how he strategizes. That's why Lex hates Superman, all of his intellect means nothing in the face of a being so powerful that he can punch the time-space continuum so hard people are brought back to life.
unholyrevenger72
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He's taking it easy on the squishy human.
That Wonder Woman costume from a few pages back looks good. Curious to know when we'll see her in a trailer.
I'm going to guess that he's holding back so he doesn't kill Batman.
I'm going to guess that he's holding back so he doesn't kill Batman.
Wait wasn't DoFP last year?
lol
That is likely what will happen here. Batman will toss everything at Superman and Superman will just break all his toys and tell Batman to stop. That's how nearly every fight between them has gone in animation and comics. The nearest he came to a win was knocking Suerman down after he got hit by a nuclear bomb.
unholyrevenger72
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Was it a Hydrogen Bomb? cuz, fusing hydrogen is Superman's Bread and Butter... literally.
Which is why this is Superman weakened trying to get into a serious fight ( not to kill but to hurt) with Batman and giving it whatever he has.
The concept of Batman and Superman fighting has almost always been bad to me because the circumstances that would cause that to happen always involve writers contriving a way to compromise the strength of one (Superman), or insulting the intelligence of the other (either Batman or Superman, or both), and neither is particularly interesting to me, especially when the outcome is incredibly predictable.
Here's the ant sized version. Brought the brightness up a bit in Photoshop since the original was nearly pitch black. Seeing Supes run like that looks silly.
Drained of some of his powers?
Easy solution - Batman found Zod's Kryptonian armour. He reverse engineers it into a Batsuit.
Initially I made the same assumption, but I presume the scene when supes is floating in the air and bats asks him if he bleeds precedes this one. He looked plenty powerful there with his landing, so I can only guess like others that he's holding back.
unholyrevenger72
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Regardless of whether or not the blunt force trauma damages Bruce the pure kinectic energy will liquefy his brains from the sudden G-Force of being punched by Superman.
Miles Quaritch
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I mean, they had Thor and Iron Man fight and Tony came out relatively unscathed.
Yes, but like I said in that post, it'd be compromising the strength of Superman. With a tired cliche no less.
Kenzodielocke
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Isn't Hulk one of the strongest in the Marvel Universe and he fights against Iron Man in a bigger armour ?
Slight spoiler for The Dark Knight Returns.
This, is what it did to Superman. A few hours later Batman barely "wins" the fight.
unholyrevenger72
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Yeah well Tony is Sitting on the most important technological discovery ever. Not the miniaturization of the Arc Reactor, but inertial dampeners. By all rights after being shot out of the air in Iron Man 1 by the Tank he should have died on impact with the ground. Just because you stuff something Fragile into something durable doesn't change the laws of physics.
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