He's not really an immigrant though, more of a refugee. Very different origin basis and legal status. It wasn't a voluntary decision on his part and he certainly left an untenable situation.But that's always been his story... The ultimate immigrant. If people are THIS triggered over him being CALLED an immigrant...
DC and Marvel rarely broach those things in the mainline comics at a serious level, particularly in film.
They have shown it, I think in Superman Returns, maybe Man of Steel, where he hangs out in low earth orbit and he can hear every radio transmission. So presumably he CAN listen in on a large percentage of calls for help.
Issue TWENTY ONE of the original Stan Lee run of Fantastic Four.
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Captain America comics have been political since at least the 80's. Green Lantern/Green Arrow was a 70's run that was heavily political. I could keep going, but at least there's some, but certainly not all, of the earlier examples of this in DC and Marvel.
If they show him doing it (monitoring the worlds communications), then it stands to reason that he IS DOING IT. Does everything have to be laid out in black and white for you? It's pretty obvious that Superman, with that capability, is aware of tragedies EVERY SECOND. The only real defense is to depower him such he in fact can not hear all those things, or he has somehow subconsciously tuned it all out except anything referencing Lois Lane.That's not what I was saying at all. I'm saying the SCENARIO was invented by you, the idea that there's kids about to die in a flood and Superman is just ignoring those kids who are in danger. You invented that, so it has no bearing on anything unless a writer were to put it in an official story, and if they did, then the issue is the writer not understanding Superman as a character morality-wise as he would leave the date to go save those kids. What I was saying had nothing to do with his powers. I'm well aware of all his powers.
But that's always been his story... The ultimate immigrant. If people are THIS triggered over him being CALLED an immigrant...
This is hardly a serious political statement. That's a rabble rouser villain about on the level of the Westboro Baptist Church. With a bit of the KKK and nazis thrown in.
If they show him doing it (monitoring the worlds communications), then it stands to reason that he IS DOING IT. Does everything have to be laid out in black and white for you? It's pretty obvious that Superman, with that capability, is aware of tragedies EVERY SECOND. The only real defense is to depower him such he in fact can not hear all those things, or he has somehow subconsciously tuned it all out except anything referencing Lois Lane.
This is why it is morally risky to have gods walking amongst us and then try to throw in trendy current political topics more serious than a grade school civics level (which is about what the Hate-monger was) if you are not gonna go all the way with it in every aspect.
This is hardly a serious political statement. That's a rabble rouser villain about on the level of the Westboro Baptist Church. With a bit of the KKK and nazis thrown in.
If they show him doing it (monitoring the worlds communications), then it stands to reason that he IS DOING IT. Does everything have to be laid out in black and white for you? It's pretty obvious that Superman, with that capability, is aware of tragedies EVERY SECOND. The only real defense is to depower him such he in fact can not hear all those things, or he has somehow subconsciously tuned it all out except anything referencing Lois Lane.
This is why it is morally risky to have gods walking amongst us and then try to throw in trendy current political topics more serious than a grade school civics level (which is about what the Hate-monger was) if you are not gonna go all the way with it in every aspect.
Because there is a tragedy every second that superman COULD be stopping. A tragedy that, often, he is shown to have the ability to know about, but the writers conveniently forget about in order to pursue other things with superman, like him having a relationship with Lois or living as Clark.It was one example. The Green Lantern/Green Arrow run features several racist antagonists, some of which don't have powers and/or are more subtle (at least comparatively with their racist actions, such as the first issue that has a racist slumlord who takes advantage of his tenants and now plans to sell the building and leave them homeless. Hal Jordan/Green Lantern doesn't believe the slumlord is doing anything wrong at first, but due to criticisms from Green Arrow and one of the tenants, Hal comes to slowly understand things like systematic racism, and he works with Green Arrow in figuring out how to legally expose the slumlord for illegal activities he's doing on the side.
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Dude, YOU gave a specific example that you totally made up where Superman is on a date with Lois and ignores the pleas of children being endangered by a flood. That is what I was addressing, why are you not getting this?
Because there is a tragedy every second that superman COULD be stopping. A tragedy that, often, he is shown to have the ability to know about, but the writers conveniently forget about in order to pursue other things with superman, like him having a relationship with Lois or living as Clark.
Buuuuuuuuut, and this is my point which you just totally can't grok, is that WHEN you bring in current politics, like having Superman be involved in immigration issues like those currently affecting the US. This is probably just external PR blabber and not something the film itself deals with, but once you drag up the question of Supermans citizenship and if he is in violation of current law blah blah blah then you are effectively stripping away the veneer of fantasy that is required for a superhero to exist in the first place. Its a foolish choice to use these iconic heroes to play out situations like this, IMHO. They can address general issues of humanity, like hey we should respect people, especially your elders, don't bully, stay in school, etc. But when Superman says "Free Palestine, from the river to the Sea!", then that's a line he should NEVER cross. And having Superman comment on current ICE policy on illegal immigration would be something like that.
So what do you do when the writers want to inject politics/topical issues into their writing? You CODE it of course! Much like the Hate-monger, you distill it down into a more generalized form, cloak it in a ridiculous outfit, slap on some superpowers, and have at it! Or, like in the case of 'New Asgard' in the MCU, you just do it and don't actually comment on the moral righteousness of it at all. You don't consider the ramifications to humanity learning that they are just a wee speck in a hostile universe, that apparently all gods (other than the judeochristian one apparently) are actually real, or any of a million other things that ought to happen if we are making a story that gives a fuck about immigration policy and law.
Star Trek is a GREAT example of my point, thanks for bringing it up.Look, you can have your opinion, but you're basically doing the equivalent of arguing that a Star Trek show has no business being philosophical. The superhero comics medium has proven it can do this just fine for DECADES, if you don't like it in spite of that, fine, but stop trying to act like this is something superhero stories don't have a long history with.
You are throwing up a lot of examples of what was basically "pro-government" messaging, basically propaganda were they to do it today.
Guys, it's over. Another terrible clip. Bad acting, weird camera shots, goofy dialogue.
Better buckle up because this movie is going to be a dud, it won't save DC and Gunn is in trouble.
This reminded me of how atmospheric Returns is. It has a very special vibe throughout the movie, like this contemplative, slightly mellow, feel. I think it's time for a rewatch, I always thought people reviewed it too harshly.They have shown it, I think in Superman Returns, maybe Man of Steel, where he hangs out in low earth orbit and he can hear every radio transmission. So presumably he CAN listen in on a large percentage of calls for help.
Does he stand for Truth Justice and the American way, or does he grab a Mexican flag and run around the streets protesting for free goods and services.
Truth Justice and FAMILY"The American Way" has lost its meaning as of late... They took out that part and replaced it with "Truth, Justice and a Better Tomorrow"
Downplaying how horrible those nazis at westborough church are sure is something.This is hardly a serious political statement. That's a rabble rouser villain about on the level of the Westboro Baptist Church. With a bit of the KKK and nazis thrown in.
If they show him doing it (monitoring the worlds communications), then it stands to reason that he IS DOING IT. Does everything have to be laid out in black and white for you? It's pretty obvious that Superman, with that capability, is aware of tragedies EVERY SECOND. The only real defense is to depower him such he in fact can not hear all those things, or he has somehow subconsciously tuned it all out except anything referencing Lois Lane.
This is why it is morally risky to have gods walking amongst us and then try to throw in trendy current political topics more serious than a grade school civics level (which is about what the Hate-monger was) if you are not gonna go all the way with it in every aspect.
"I do think we are going to get mixed reviews. And I'll tell you this right now because I heard from three critics over the weekend who watched that clip I did of Jeff and I discussing whether critics are becoming influencers. By that I mean, critics who are in critics groups becoming influencers for Superman and questioning whether that is where the trend is now because these people have money to make."
"Three separate critics reached out to me and told me that they did not like the movie. [They are] three critics that I am friends with and that I respect and whose opinions I value. They're people I trust, not YouTubers. These are people who are legitimate critics. They told me that the movie is a mess."
According to a new report, at least three noteworthy critics considered Superman a "mess"
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SUPERMAN Reportedly Described As A "Mess" By Multiple Critics Before Social Embargo Lifts TONIGHT
According to a new report, at least three noteworthy critics considered Superman a "mess," leading to confusion among fans with just hours to go before the social media embargo is lifted. Check it out...comicbookmovie.com
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Are we prohibited to post early reviews and talk about the movie?And? What's the audience score ... The one taken outside the theater right after a movie finished
Oh no. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I don't trust critics anymore. I want to know what audiences thinks, even if they're mixed.Are we prohibited to post early reviews and talk about the movie?
Anyway here are 2 positive reviews, Sunday Times:
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And GQ:
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I'm committed to seeing the film, at this point reviews will only dictate how drunk I get before I see itAre we prohibited to post early reviews and talk about the movie?
Anyway here are 2 positive reviews, Sunday Times:
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And GQ:
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Oh ok yeah I agree. Rotten Tomatoes/Youtube/Twitter etc... killed any honesty. It is what it is but I thought I'd share, after all we still have review threads.Oh no. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I don't trust critics anymore. I want to know what audiences thinks, even if they're mixed.
Don't worry though, Superman (2025) won't be a flop if it makes less than Man of Steel according to James Gunn.According to a new report, at least three noteworthy critics considered Superman a "mess"
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SUPERMAN Reportedly Described As A "Mess" By Multiple Critics Before Social Embargo Lifts TONIGHT
According to a new report, at least three noteworthy critics considered Superman a "mess," leading to confusion among fans with just hours to go before the social media embargo is lifted. Check it out...comicbookmovie.com
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Anti smite, probably.I'm going to get called racist to Supermen when I don't see the movie ain't I?
Well, he was created by Jews.Anti smite, probably.
Anti smite, probably.
No.I'm going to get called racist to Supermen when I don't see the movie ain't I?
I mean…this is what the original Superman cartoon dealt with. This is what motivates Luthor to do what he does.I think folks might think political talk about the legal status of a supergod might not be the type of escapist fiction they want.
87% RT v good, looking forward to this.
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Avoiding those kind of situations is the good thing about reserved seats becoming the norm.Damn, had that happen to me and my friends at the Oz The Great and Powerful film (the Wizard of Oz prequel with James Franco) due to us being in Target before we went to the theater and one of our friends ignored our warning that we should probably get going and insisted we stick around for another ten minutes, since this was pre-assigned seating, we were caught off guard when we walked in at the nearly packed room and had to settle for the front row. Necks felt terrible after the film finished.
Then the same friend pulled a similar stunt again before the first Jurassic World. Luckily, no one had to be in the front row, but only me and my best friend got to sit next to each other on the end of one row in the middle, while everyone else had to each settle for a seat completely by themselves. The friend who kept making us late wised up and didn't make the same mistake anymore after that.
It must hurt theaters though, I often see screens that have only the center filled 'cause no one wants to buy on the edge or way up front. I definitely will look around (easy to do since my area is way over saturated with screens) versus knowing I'm gonna get a crappy seat.Avoiding those kind of situations is the good thing about reserved seats becoming the norm.
My country has only had reserved seats as long as I've been alive. I never understood the references to cinema seating when I grew up and watched American TV shows. Seems so archaic to not have a reservation system.Avoiding those kind of situations is the good thing about reserved seats becoming the norm.