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Marvel's Daredevil |OT| Legally Blind *spoilers for all of S1*

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Just finish to watch all episode. Really expectacular show and the action scene are incredible.
The only thing I wish is more lawyer work
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Im eyeing some work on, and if i love love the show, is the Bendis run in 3 volumes the way o go after i finish the season? I need more DD
 
Finished the show. I really liked it, good television, but it's not the best thing Marvel's done. That's fine though, because it's still damn great.

The final costume was such a letdown.
 
Platy said:
His powers is WAY DIFERENT than having eyes.

I can't believe that people can say that it is better than having eyes when they are typing on a keyboard to see it posted on a monitor =P

Not seeing light or colors means he can't read, he can't use a pc or smartphone, can't play most games, can't see if he will drink pepsi or coca cola
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He can smell that last bit
 
WanderingWind said:
I...sort of disagree. The 2011-2014 run is nearly flawless, but the end of that ruined a great thing and the
move to San Francisco isn't working at all. The entire character is wrapped up in being the protector of his little corner of NYC. I agree that a million supers in one place is boring, but almost none of them have a connection to the city like Daredevil. I'm not really digging the new runs. The writing is still on point, but the stories he's telling so far are pretty bad.
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I've never read the Daredevil comics but that sounds a lot like
moving Batman out of Gotham
to me. Just doesnt seem right.

This Netflix show is really my first good introduction to the character. Old movie sucked, and the one or two comics I browsed didn't excite me. I'm a fan now, though. At least of the TV version.
 
SillyNonsense said:
I've never read the Daredevil comics but that sounds a lot like
moving Batman out of Gotham
to me. Just doesnt seem right.

This Netflix show is really my first good introduction to the character. Old movie sucked, and the one or two comics I browsed didn't excite me. I'm a fan now, though. At least of the TV version.
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Raistlin said:
He can smell that last bit
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He could probably also deduce the recipe and make a fortune. He'd be able to do that with KFC's chicken, too, except that their chicken sucks.

Anyway, I finished the series, which I thought was really sweet, but I see there are two OTs. Is this the main one, or is it the other?
 
5 episodes in and this show is something else. I'm not a huge fan of comic books or superhero movies but I am enjoying the hell out of this. I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes as well as the upcoming Marvel series'.

Does anyone else agree that the intro sequence in this show is one of the coolest ever made?
 
Gah why's there only 13 episodes? I need more!

So good, just finished episode 12. Sad it's gonna be over. Can't wait for more <3

Conor_Fool said:
5 episodes in and this show is something else. I'm not a huge fan of comic books or superhero movies but I am enjoying the hell out of this. I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes as well as the upcoming Marvel series'.

Does anyone else agree that the intro sequence in this show is one of the coolest ever made?
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Yep! I love the statue holding the sword and the scales of justice, all kinds of awesome.
 
I have two episodes left and I'm struggling to force myself to finish them off.

I dunno. The show fleshes out the MCU nicely in quite a few ways and is visually impressive, but I don't find it particularly well written or well acted.
 
So, I'm halfway through episode 10, and while I think the show is great overall, I really feel like the Netflix label is having some sort of placebo effect on people. I think the way things come together is just good enough, and it's really elevated by some of the action sequences; however, I've been feeling like they're getting less impressive as the season goes on. It's a great adaptation overall, though, and it has some fantastic moments; but a lot of it feels like retreading. Don't get me wrong, retreading isn't necessarily a bad thing since this is like the umpteenth superhero adaptation and it's inevitable, but that's just what it feels like.

Even so, I think it's done a great job establishing it's own identity among all these different properties. I think I need to read some more Daredevil comics to make a fair assessment, but I feel like they captured the spirit of the Miller comics very well and that's really been enough for me. I understand why it is that everyone's been doing it, but it's funny to me how everyone compares this show to the Nolan Batman films which also drew inspiration from Miller's Batman comics when Miller's DD run predates even that.

Also, while it misfired a bit in the origin story, I like when shows/movies try to make the villains relatable. One would say it's almost a necessity in a show like this where it's so focused on Daredevil vs Kingpin, but these villains are people too, and a lot of shows tend to forget that.

BertramCooper said:
I dunno. The show fleshes out the MCU nicely in quite a few ways and is visually impressive, but I don't find it particularly well written or well acted.
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I've got mixed feelings about the acting, as well. I feel like D'Onofrio, in particular, is a mixed bag. Sometimes I feel like his performance is spot-on, sometimes I feel like it's forced. I'm not sure where I land on it. Charlie Cox is perfectly fine, especially considering he's playing a blind person; I think he does an overall solid job. Everyone else is decent to good.

Writing isn't all there either, but it's a comic book show not produced by Joss Whedon. I think the writing is at the level you'd expect.
 
Two big things about the show, one positive and one negative:

- The cinematography in the dialogue scenes could and should be a lot better. It felt like an ABC show like Castle at points.
- Madam Gao was probably the creepiest character,
all those blind workers... *shudder*
 
How could this series not be renewed? I know we don't have official numbers yet, but the word of mouth and rating on IMDB and like places is through the roof.

Would be insane to not do another.
 
Lee Chaolan said:
How could this series not be renewed? I know we don't have official numbers yet, but the word of mouth and rating on IMDB and like places is through the roof.

Would be insane to not do another.
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The main hurdle seems to be the strict plan they laid out when the series was first announced. Four 13 episode series that will culminate in a miniseries.

The show's creator has talked about what he would like to do in a season 2, but neither Marvel or Netflix has talked about this. I don't know the logistics of the production-is it basically the same crew filming Daredevil that then moves on to Jessica Jones that then moves on to Luke Cage, etc? Obviously different showrunners, but I wonder if the crew and equipment are shared-maybe this is the reason?
 
Dalek said:
The main hurdle seems to be the strict plan they laid out when the series was first announced. Four 13 episode series that will culminate in a miniseries.

The show's creator has talked about what he would like to do in a season 2, but neither Marvel or Netflix has talked about this. I don't know the logistics of the production-is it basically the same crew filming Daredevil that then moves on to Jessica Jones that then moves on to Luke Cage, etc? Obviously different showrunners, but I wonder if the crew and equipment are shared-maybe this is the reason?
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Hmm, I see. Well, doesn't mean that can't re-evaluate and give us more, dammit. >_>
 
You strike while the iron's hot. There is no guarantee any of the other three series will be as well received. They really ought to not get so caught up in building a larger universe that they let successes lay unattended. Out of sight, out of mind and all. Not saying push the other shows back or anything, but they really should reevaluate how they want Defenders to shape up.
 
Just started watching and OMG, I have never seen ANYTHING like the
last scene in Episode 2. Was that really one camera shot with no cuts in that fight? It was amazing! :O Show has been fantastic and BRUTAL!

BTW, how many takes did you think that took to get perfect?

PS: The intro theme is GODLIKE!
 
jrDev said:
Just started watching and OMG, I have never seen ANYTHING like the
last scene in Episode 2. Was that really one camera shot with no cuts in that fight? It was amazing! :O Show has been fantastic and BRUTAL!

BTW, how many takes did you think that took to get perfect?

PS: The intro theme is GODLIKE!
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It is one shot,
12 takes, only 3 were useable and one of them is what ended up in the show. The only cheat they did was have Charlie and his stunt double switch places when he'd enter and exit the rooms.
 
S2 will probably happen sooner or later, but adding 13 more episodes to an already gargantuan 60-episode deal - for five distinct interconnected series, no less - is a tad more complicated than simply ordering another 13 of HoC or OITNB.
 
Father_Brain said:
S2 will probably happen sooner or later, but adding 13 more episodes to an already gargantuan 60-episode deal - for five distinct interconnected series, no less - is a tad more complicated than simply ordering another 13 of HoC or OITNB.
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60 episodes? Where do we lose 5 episodes?
Is Defenders only supposed to be 8 episodes?
 
Wingfan19 said:
It is one shot,
12 takes, only 3 were useable and one of them is what ended up in the show. The only cheat they did was have Charlie and his stunt double switch places when he'd enter and exit the rooms.
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That's kind of unbelievable
it took only 12 takes. The choreographer and camera director must be masterful.
 
Just finished this.

Overall pretty decent, but there's a noticeable drop in quality after episode 6. Given the excellence of the first two (Goddard written) episodes, I'm inclined to think it's a result of the change of showrunner.
 
LaunchpadMcQ said:
So, I'm halfway through episode 10, and while I think the show is great overall, I really feel like the Netflix label is having some sort of placebo effect on people. I think the way things come together is just good enough, and it's really elevated by some of the action sequences; however, I've been feeling like they're getting less impressive as the season goes on. It's a great adaptation overall, though, and it has some fantastic moments; but a lot of it feels like retreading. Don't get me wrong, retreading isn't necessarily a bad thing since this is like the umpteenth superhero adaptation and it's inevitable, but that's just what it feels like.
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I wonder if it is the nature of the way Netflix offers everything on a plate By the time you're feeling stuffed you've already eaten way too much.
 
Dalek said:
The main hurdle seems to be the strict plan they laid out when the series was first announced. Four 13 episode series that will culminate in a miniseries.

The show's creator has talked about what he would like to do in a season 2, but neither Marvel or Netflix has talked about this. I don't know the logistics of the production-is it basically the same crew filming Daredevil that then moves on to Jessica Jones that then moves on to Luke Cage, etc? Obviously different showrunners, but I wonder if the crew and equipment are shared-maybe this is the reason?
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No, Jessica Jones has a different cast and crew, they've been filming since January.
 
I'm still not sure how I feel about Daredevil. I finished episode 4, and the only reason why I am going to watch episode 5 is because it involves Daredevil, and I like Daredevil.

But, I don't really like anyone on this show. It's just dull. And green. And no one has any charisma. There isn't anyone likeable on this show.

I like Vincent D'Onofrio as an actor. He would really ham it up on Law and Order, he was the best part of Men in Black, as well as The Cell, but his take on Kingpin--and remember, I've only seen up to episode 4--is just . . . awkward. And James Wesley is awful. He doesn't seem like a commanding #2 at all.

I don't know. It's not a bad show. I don't get why it is being received so well I guess. It has a freakin 9.2 on imdb.
 
OSHAN said:
I like Vincent D'Onofrio as an actor. He would really ham it up on Law and Order, he was the best part of Men in Black, as well as The Cell, but his take on Kingpin--and remember, I've only seen up to episode 4--is just . . . awkward. And James Wesley is awful. He doesn't seem like a commanding #2 at all.
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Then keep watching.
 
OSHAN said:
I like Vincent D'Onofrio as an actor. He would really ham it up on Law and Order, he was the best part of Men in Black, as well as The Cell, but his take on Kingpin--and remember, I've only seen up to episode 4--is just . . . awkward. And James Wesley is awful. He doesn't seem like a commanding #2 at all.

I don't know. It's not a bad show. I don't get why it is being received so well I guess. It has a freakin 9.2 on imdb.
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It's basically how I feel. Wesley gets better over time, though, at least. D'Onofrio is just a weird fit in this role. At times he seems commanding and assertive, how I imagine the Kingpin would be and how he's been portrayed in the past; other times, it feels like he's just frontin'. I have a hard time deciding whether it's done on purpose or not.

Also, yes, the Netflix effect. If it's a Netflix show, add 2.0 points to whatever score it would have on any other network.
Same goes for HBO.
I'm not hating, they're usually very good shows regardless, but the general public (and I'm not necessarily talking about GAF) tends to blow it out of proportion.
 
mrklaw said:
I wonder if it is the nature of the way Netflix offers everything on a plate By the time you're feeling stuffed you've already eaten way too much.
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I took more than a week to finish it and I still felt that it drops in quality as it progresses.
 
LaunchpadMcQ said:
It's basically how I feel. Wesley gets better over time, though, at least. D'Onofrio is just a weird fit in this role. At times he seems commanding and assertive, how I imagine the Kingpin would be and how he's been portrayed in the past; other times, it feels like he's just frontin'. I have a hard time deciding whether it's done on purpose or not.

Also, yes, the Netflix effect. If it's a Netflix show, add 2.0 points to whatever score it would have on any other network.
Same goes for HBO.
I'm not hating, they're usually very good shows regardless, but the general public (and I'm not necessarily talking about GAF) tends to blow it out of proportion.
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Sounds like you're just generalizing. "Oh people cannot possibly like it because they think it's really good. No, it has to be what network it's own." Not only is that an unsupportable oversimplification, it kind of hurts your argument.

-First of all, Netflix DOESN'T get a complete pass. Hemlock Grove has gotten meh reviews at best. And while House of Cards has been well-received overall, people have not been shy in pointing out perceived flaws in the show as well.

-Second, most people don't think like that. If they like a show, then they like a show. The network that it's own doesn't matter.

For the record, I haven't seen a lot of Netflix stuff so I have no great love of it as of yet. But guess what, I thought the show was great, fancy that.
 
I love Kingpin on this show. The fact that he's NOT just "generic mob boss" guy and has an actual personality/nuance beyond "urr, look how big and menacing I am," was a refreshing change of pace.
 
Toa TAK said:
Then keep watching.
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I actually think it gets worse. It's a high point early on when he
snaps and turns Russian number 1's head to jelly because he got embarrassed in front of his lady friend,
but even as his backstory builds in later episodes, the affectations that VD decides to employ get more and more distracting. There are a few occasional moments in which I do see what he's going for, but it's like it's covered in a layer of mud and only shows itself in brief patches.
 
Asami208 said:
Sounds like you're just generalizing. "Oh people cannot possibly like it because they think it's really good. No, it has to be what network it's own." Not only is that an unsupportable oversimplification, it kind of hurts your argument.

-First of all, Netflix DOESN'T get a complete pass. Hemlock Grove has gotten meh reviews at best. And while House of Cards has been well-received overall, people have not been shy in pointing out perceived flaws in the show as well.

-Second, most people don't think like that. If they like a show, then they like a show. The network that it's own doesn't matter.

For the record, I haven't seen a lot of Netflix stuff so I have no great love of it as of yet. But guess what, I thought the show was great, fancy that.
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I admit I'm generalizing, but that doesn't necessarily make it not true. I'm tired of hearing how network television can't possibly produce something worth watching, when there are numerous fantastic television series on there. Then you get the comments like "this show would be better on HBO or Netflix," if only because they are more lax on censorship. People honestly think not being censored equates to automatically being better.

If you think that's a hyperbole, seriously take a pass through /r/television on reddit. It's not my only source, but on a community of some 4 million users, I think it's a pretty good sample to see how the general TV-watching public feels about Netflix and premium cable channels by comparison to network or even basic cable, at times.

House of Cards has gotten a pass for two seasons already. It's only in the third season that people are actually recognizing that it's not that great, but it really hasn't changed since it started. I haven't seen Hemlock, but the other Netflix originals like Orange are in similar situations.

Daredevil is a damn fine show, I'm not disputing that. But it has its flaws, some of them pretty obvious, so I think it's pretty reasonable that I think a 9.2 user score on imdb is disproportionate to the actual quality of the show.

Asami208 said:
I love Kingpin on this show. The fact that he's NOT just "generic mob boss" guy and has an actual personality/nuance beyond "urr, look how big and menacing I am," was a refreshing change of pace.
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Like I mentioned in a previous post, I like that they try to make Kingpin relatable to a degree. There's a human element to this. Fisk honestly believes that, in his own way, he's working towards bettering the lives of people in the Kitchen. It actually makes it kind of sad that Matt and him are at odds with each other, because there's a chance that if things would have been different, they might have been on the same side of this fight.
 
Finished the show last night. (Just a few days shy of this thread's spoiler deadline!) I do think it peaks with episode 10. It felt like the
falling out among Matt, Foggy and Karen is resolved too quickly. They go from not speaking in episode 12 to being cool by the end of 13. Felt rushed, as if the show needed to go 16 or 17 episodes to really let that thread resolve itself naturally.

Either that, or the show should have ended after episode 10 and saved the "Foggy finds out Matt is Daredevil and feels betrayed" plotline for a season 2.

About the costume at the end,
yeah it looked cheesy. It suddenly felt like I was watching a '90s or early 2000s superhero movie, which I hadn't felt for the entire show until he put on that costume. I don't know what they can do to make it better, but I hope they figure something out. I kinda would have been totally OK if he kept dressing in all black with a knit cap on for the whole show ... it looked better and didn't break my suspension of disbelief.


mrklaw said:
ouch at the start of episode 4.


edit: ouch at the end of episode 4.
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haha, yeah.
 
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