Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Official Teaser Trailer #2

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I think the only versions I've seen are the 1994 (?) VHS box set and the DVD box set that came out in the 2000s.

Basically, I grew up with a version of the trilogy that mostly resembles the original. That's where my preference is.
 
Oh Ewan how I love you. You and Ian McDiarmid were like small beacons of light in the crapfest that was those movies. You're ability to (mostly) sell such subpar material is truly worthy of admiration, as is you're impressive "young Alec Guinness" impression. Hopefully they bring you back in the ST for some Force Ghost scenes.

And Christopher Lee, don't forget.

Much of his career was perfecting the art of elevating shitty films merely with his presence. He's that good.
 
I think that Christopher Lee's performance was good (when is it not). But I found Dooku as a character to be underwhelming. He's introduced too late, doesn't get enough development, gets killed off too quickly/easily, and is just kind of bland. Those are basically my thoughts on Liam Neeson as Qui Gon Jinn as well.

I personally would have removed both Dooku and General Grevious and just had Darth Maul be the "Vader" of the PT. He had so much potential, what a waste.
 
I think that Christopher Lee's performance was good (when is it not). But I found Dooku as a character to be underwhelming. He's introduced too late, doesn't get enough development, gets killed off too quickly/easily, and is just kind of bland. Those are basically my thoughts on Liam Neeson as Qui Gon Jinn as well.

I personally would have removed both Dooku and General Grevious and just had Darth Maul be the "Vader" of the PT. He had so much potential, what a waste.

The problem with Maul was that he was limited by being played by a non-actor.
 
The way I see it, any of the changes takes me out of the movie.

The intended effect of these changes is to make these movies seem like they are part of some perfectly cohesive "Star Wars saga" that emerged from some perfect original vision, but I don't think there's been a single moment that I truly accepted that reality. I can tell that movie was made in the 70s or early 80s, dude!

These CG creatures and montage of late 90s/early 2000s locations do not look like they belong there... and when I see it, the fourth wall is shattered. I'm thinking only about the moviemaking process at that point. And the thing is, I think even new audiences - kids, even - see right through it just as I do.

The Harmy editions are refreshing. A 1977 movie looks like it's from 1977 (but clean), and you can enjoy the whole thing from start to finish without your brain going "does this make sense? If this movie is 40 years old, why does it have CG? When did they add this new sequence? Do I like it? Do I believe it?"

I think there are individuals out there that "accept" the changes of the SE and don't notice or think about them much. I also think such people are outliers, ones who don't think about the passage of time and from when each of these movies was released. Most audiences, however causal, have some knowledge that these movies came out before the advent of CG or the prequel era of settings (re: ROTJ celebration scenes), and they understand that they are seeing effects technology and prequel-era scenes which couldn't possibly have been originally placed side by side. I think the average human response to these anachronisms is bewilderment. It's a feeling of uncanny. It's a feeling of being taken out of the movie.
this!
very much this
 
Yeah, if any actor was to return from the prequels, he'd be the first I'd want.

They would have to change his appearance quite a lot so he doesn't look like his role in the prequels at all or else people would go "Why is young Obiwan showing up 30+ years after old Obiwan died?"
 
They would have to change his appearance quite a lot so he doesn't look like his role in the prequels at all or else people would go "Why is young Obiwan showing up 30+ years after old Obiwan died?"
He could be in on of the Anthology films, if any of them take place ~15 years after ROTS (I doubt any will, but still).
 
Dropping my two cents on Yub Nub vs Victory Celebration:

Yub Nub = Victory Celebration, both are equally great.

I agree. I love the theme that plays at the victory celebration as well as the short theme that plays as Luke and Vader have their final duel. I secretly hope for John Eilliams to use variations on those themes in The Force Awakens somehow, it would be a cool organic progression I think.
 
Testify.

Which reminds me that we get Max Von Sydow in TFA. Can't wait to see who he's playing!

I just love the fact that we have had/will have:

Original Trilogy: Peter Cushing
Prequel Trilogy: Christopher Lee
Sequel Trilogy: Max von Sydow

Legends of the highest order.
It's a damn shame Vincent Price didn't get a character in the OT. :p
 
They would have to change his appearance quite a lot so he doesn't look like his role in the prequels at all or else people would go "Why is young Obiwan showing up 30+ years after old Obiwan died?"

Not only that, but Old Obi-Wan already appeared as a ghost, so it'd be like he came back as a ghost and then later thought "oh wait I'm a ghost I can be young again" and decided to change for no reason.
 
He could be in on of the Anthology films, if any of them take place ~15 years after ROTS (I doubt any will, but still).

I remember one of the rumors (that I believe got debunked, but still sounded nice) had the premise of Obi-Wan on Tatooine getting caught up in helping/protecting some moisture farmers from an extortion racket from Mos Eisley gangsters. It was basically a loose Seven Samurai ripoff (which I believe was the very first thing Lucasfilm ever pitched/had pitched concerning a spinoff, in a meeting with Zack Snyder)
 
I remember one of the rumors (that I believe got debunked, but still sounded nice) had the premise of Obi-Wan on Tatooine getting caught up in helping/protecting some moisture farmers from an extortion racket from Mos Eisley gangsters. It was basically a loose Seven Samurai ripoff (which I believe was the very first thing Lucasfilm ever pitched/had pitched concerning a spinoff, in a meeting with Zack Snyder)

I would love this, honestly
 
Never understood the hate for yub nub. Gives off a fantasy/happy feeling that's appropriate for the ending.

In hindsight, I think Yub Nub is more okay to me because VI is no longer the final episode. The way I see it, the end of something like this should be more sweeping and emotional, which the special edition did with the additional shots and new music, but now that there's three more episodes coming it's no longer the absolute finale, so I have less of a problem with it feeling more... whatever.

I still prefer the newer track, but VI always felt underwhelming to me as the conclusion in more ways than just Yub Nub, so let's just say that the new movies help me appreciate VI more because it no longer carries that weight.
 
Just finished watching the original version of ROTJ. The first hour in Jabba's lair is soo good. I'd even go so far to say it is a culmination of the best of everything Star Wars has to offer. Intense action, laughs, drama, the whole bit.

The ending gave me chills for TFW. Also, Yub Nub is the only way to go!
 
That is 100% not Jar Jar cheering.

I know he isn't, but it sounds just like him, so it might as well be him.

Star Wars is serious business

I love Star Wars so much I hate it.

Yub Nub is very much not canon. ;) The theatrical cuts have been confirmed by the Lucasfilm story group to be non-canonical.

And one of the people who leads the Lucasfilm story group has mocked people online for preferring the theatrical cuts not too long ago!

You seem to find so much joy in this. Are you George?
 
I remember one of the rumors (that I believe got debunked, but still sounded nice) had the premise of Obi-Wan on Tatooine getting caught up in helping/protecting some moisture farmers from an extortion racket from Mos Eisley gangsters. It was basically a loose Seven Samurai ripoff (which I believe was the very first thing Lucasfilm ever pitched/had pitched concerning a spinoff, in a meeting with Zack Snyder)
I remember hearing about this. I had really wanted it to be real.
 
I remember one of the rumors (that I believe got debunked, but still sounded nice) had the premise of Obi-Wan on Tatooine getting caught up in helping/protecting some moisture farmers from an extortion racket from Mos Eisley gangsters. It was basically a loose Seven Samurai ripoff (which I believe was the very first thing Lucasfilm ever pitched/had pitched concerning a spinoff, in a meeting with Zack Snyder)

I'd be down with this. Lucas borrowed heavily from Kurosawa anyway, so why not stick with what works?
 
I think killing off Maul was a bad idea. They should've kept him as a revenge plot for Obi Wan AT THE LEAST. It would've been awesome.
 
Yub Nub is very much not canon. ;) The theatrical cuts have been confirmed by the Lucasfilm story group to be non-canonical.

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Never understood the hate for yub nub. Gives off a fantasy/happy feeling that's appropriate for the ending.
I agree. I mean, I get the hate--Yub Nub is cheese of the highest order--but it isn't out of place for the direction of the film as a whole (say what you will about the ewoks, but they are there, they happened). More importantly, the original ending has a certain fun/triumphant rhythm to it and I'm talking about more than just the song. The way it is cut and how the characters interact is very rhythmic and complements the music, which is largely lost with Victory Celebration. The new song is good IMO, but it doesn't fit the context of the scene very well and feels tonally removed from the rest of the film (and the OT as a whole, really). The awkward cuts to the other planets do not help and just further break that rhythm, which makes it feel flat in comparison.
 
I think killing off Maul was a bad idea. They should've kept him as a revenge plot for Obi Wan AT THE LEAST. It would've been awesome.

Yeah, it's one of the criticisms with ep1. So much that was set up in the first film was just quickly wrapped up and then moved away from.
 
So quick question regarding empires.

How come Vader doesn't realize Leia is a Skywalker? I mean I get that in A new hope it was never planned for Leia and Luke to be related but it's weird he doesn't care about her in empires.

Or maybe he did and ignored it? Idk
 
So quick question regarding empires.

How come Vader doesn't realize Leia is a Skywalker? I mean I get that in A new hope it was never planned for Leia and Luke to be related but it's weird he doesn't care about her in empires.

Or maybe he did and ignored it? Idk
He didn't know she was his daughter at that point. He finds out during his duel with Luke in Jedi.
 
So quick question regarding empires.

How come Vader doesn't realize Leia is a Skywalker? I mean I get that in A new hope it was never planned for Leia and Luke to be related but it's weird he doesn't care about her in empires.

Or maybe he did and ignored it? Idk

The force is conveniently stupid when required.
 
So quick question regarding empires.

How come Vader doesn't realize Leia is a Skywalker? I mean I get that in A new hope it was never planned for Leia and Luke to be related but it's weird he doesn't care about her in empires.

Or maybe he did and ignored it? Idk

Leia was assumed to be Bail Organa's kid. Why would he question that at all?

Remember, in ROTS he thought Padme was pregnant with one kid (which he assumed died with her). When he discovered Luke he had no reason to assume there was a second kid. As far as he knew Padme was only pregnant with one child.
 
I don't know how many of these stupid teaser reactions I've watched on Youtube because nothing pleases me more than to see people flipping the fuck out about Star Wars again.
 
Leia was assumed to be Bail Organa's kid. Why would he question that at all?

Remember, in ROTS he thought Padme was pregnant with one kid (which he assumed died with her). When he discovered Luke he had no reason to assume there was a second kid. As far as he knew Padme was only pregnant with one child.

So Leia saying she always knew is complete bullshit. The force giving people the ability to perceive these things only work when the script allows it. Sounds to me like they pulled it from their ass. This is George we're talking about, so.
 
So Leia saying she always knew is complete bullshit. The force giving people the ability to perceive these things only work when the script allows it. Sounds to me like they pulled it from their ass. This is George we're talking about, so.
I never looked at it as her saying she literally always knew that Luke was her brother, just that she felt a closer connection to him than just friendship.
 
He didn't know she was his daughter at that point. He finds out during his duel with Luke in Jedi.

Leia was assumed to be Bail Organa's kid. Why would he question that at all?

Remember, in ROTS he thought Padme was pregnant with one kid (which he assumed died with her). When he discovered Luke he had no reason to assume there was a second kid. As far as he knew Padme was only pregnant with one child.
I mean, wouldn't he feel the force though?
And on a side note, why would Luke keep the Skywalker name. Someone must've thought it was a bad idea to keep the name of a famous Jedi when every other Jedi got murdered.
The force is conveniently stupid when required.
Yeah exactly my point. I don't mind it in Ep IV, but in Ep V is kinda weird... I guess Leia hadn't developed her powers enough to be noticeable.
I mean Vader senses Luke at the Death Star run right? Or at least that the force is with the guy.
 
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