Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Official Teaser Trailer #2

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BobbyRoberts said:
You're saying it like it's a bad thing, but I'm not hearing the bad thing.
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It's like a bad imitation of Fraggle Rock!

Anyway, I prefer Victory Celebration, but that doesn't mean I hate Yub Nub. I actually like the alternate/soundtrack version of Yub Nub. It's more restrained and somber than the film version.
 
Alright so I'm looking to sit down and watch all 6 films again but I'm torn as to what order to watch them in. Any thoughts?
 
I don't like any of the "improvements" (except picture quality and improved lightsaber effects ofcourse)
Just watched ESB and RoTJ back to back and it's horrible when you see this bullshit cgi (sarlacc pit, jabba's palace singer, trilogy ending) really sticking out as "tacked on" and looking very out of place.

Yub Nub ftw!
 
BTM said:
Alright so I'm looking to sit down and watch all 6 films again but I'm torn as to what order to watch them in. Any thoughts?
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One through six, the way god intended.

It's such a damn shame that Lucas screwed up the prequels, because the Skywalker/Vader arc should have been so compelling.
 
Team Yub Nub

Also, I don't like this new order of watching the films that's been mentioned as going from 5 (the best) to 2 (the worst) is just too jarring.
 
Yub Nub or Victory Celebration, I don't really care either way. But get rid of those stupid CGI planet shots that have no real relevance to the original trilogy. And get that Hayden bullshit out of there, total garbage. And Jedi Rocks is almost a bigger crime against humanity than Greedo shooting first or at the same time or whatever.
 
Asami208 said:
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He never met "young Anakin," so him seeing that version makes no sense. If Lucas was going to do that, then he should have replaced Sir Alec Guinness with Ewan McGregor and puppet Yoda with crappy CGI Yoda as well. So there's no consistency to it either.
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Lucas' idea was that Anakin "died" when he became Darth Vader. Obi Wan states Anakin was "destroyed" in that moment when explaining Vader's origin to Luke on Dagobah earlier in the movie, and Lucas intends for this to be taken literally.

That's why Obi-Wan and Yoda aren't young. They died as old jedi. Jedi Anakin "died" in episode III, that's why his force spirit is still in that state.

The big kink with this idea is that Anakin did return to good on his deathbed, so even if he died 20 years before, he was still most recently good in his older form. I suppose being good for 10 minutes isn't enough to get a new force ghost.
 
I don't even remember how Yub Nub goes, but when my dad and I rewatched the Star Wars films a few months ago, my mom was in the room during that final song and even though she literally hadn't seen the movie in 31 years, she still asked "Was this in the original? I don't remember this at all."
 
Victory Celebration is a brilliant composition from Williams and a perfect way to end both Return of the Jedi and the trilogy as a whole.

Yub Nub is complete garbage. Original Trilogy purists need to at least acknowledge that not all of the changes in the special editions were negative. There can be a compromising middle ground. Yub Nub should never come back. If only one change from the special editions could stay, it should be this.

Note: I'm talking about the song itself (which only really starts at the same place Yub Nub started anyways, when the X-wings are flying in the skies with the fireworks), not the additional scenes across the galaxy.
 
Wait ... what? A 4K edition of Star Wars? New blu-rays? WTH did I miss?

I sure as hell hope they touch up some of those terribly aged CGI in the prequels though. The only thing they should do to the OT, imo, is;

A New Hope
- Add more Tie-Fighters and X-Wings in the Battle of Yavin 4 (make it look like an attack). Such a big space-station and there's 20 X-Wings attacking? Up the scale.

Empire Strikes Back
- Add more AT-AT's on Hoth. Make it feel like the Empire wants those rebels dead.

Return of the Jedi
- Add more Rebel/Empire spacecrafts. Make the ending feel like an all out war. A last ditch effort.

Touch up some bad effects and you are done. Do not clutter it even more.
 
Yub Nub is good for nostalgia's sake but I have to admit that the victory celebration song is pretty good, it just doesn't fit with something the Ewoks would be playing like Yub Nub does.

Either way is better than getting rid of Lapti Nek for Jedi Rocks. They stole Max Rebo's thunder. It's his band dammit!
 
inm8num2 said:
The victory celebration works better in the special edition over the montage of different celebrations, but Yub Nub is my preference for the actual Endor celebration. Just listen to that music when Leia comes over to Luke. It's so heartfelt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np6vAuS0KNs
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not a fan, Frankly, ive never heard that ending

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRvAAYjmqkE
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I like Yub Nub, it really doesn't bother me. Victory Celebration might be better if it wasn't surrounded by shit. Adjacent to refuse, is refuse.

Edit: And I don't know, Yub Nub just feels right for it. It's not Jedi is on the same level as the other two movies anyways :P

I find it funny how Yub Nub is such a huge source of debate. Even some fans who are generally against the changes are against it. I'm against victory celebration also as a matter of principle. Being ok with that change, allows room for the changes. I will totally deal in absolutes in this matter.
 
The way I see it, any of the changes takes me out of the movie.

The intended effect of these changes is to make these movies seem like they are part of some perfectly cohesive "Star Wars saga" that emerged from some perfect original vision, but I don't think there's been a single moment that I truly accepted that reality. I can tell that movie was made in the 70s or early 80s, dude!

These CG creatures and montage of late 90s/early 2000s locations do not look like they belong there... and when I see it, the fourth wall is shattered. I'm thinking only about the moviemaking process at that point. And the thing is, I think even new audiences - kids, even - see right through it just as I do.

The Harmy editions are refreshing. A 1977 movie looks like it's from 1977 (but clean), and you can enjoy the whole thing from start to finish without your brain going "does this make sense? If this movie is 40 years old, why does it have CG? When did they add this new sequence? Do I like it? Do I believe it?"

I think there are individuals out there that "accept" the changes of the SE and don't notice or think about them much. I also think such people are outliers, ones who don't think about the passage of time and from when each of these movies was released. Most audiences, however causal, have some knowledge that these movies came out before the advent of CG or the prequel era of settings (re: ROTJ celebration scenes), and they understand that they are seeing effects technology and prequel-era scenes which couldn't possibly have been originally placed side by side. I think the average human response to these anachronisms is bewilderment. It's a feeling of uncanny. It's a feeling of being taken out of the movie.
 
BocoDragon said:
The way I see it, any of the changes takes me out of the movie.

The intended effect of these changes is to make these movies seem like they are part of some perfectly cohesive "Star Wars saga" that emerged from some perfect original vision, but I don't think there's been a single moment that I truly accepted that reality. I can tell that movie was made in the 70s or early 80s, dude!

These CG creatures and montage of late 90s/early 2000s locations do not look like they belong there... and when I see it, the fourth wall is shattered. I'm thinking only about the moviemaking process at that point. And the thing is, I think even new audiences - kids, even - see right through it just as I do.

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Really good points. It doesn't help that CG in and of itself acts as a kind of timestamp for films. If you're a frequent moviegoer, you're able to roughly place the movie in its time simply based on what the CG actually looks like, what techniques are being used -- even if you have no idea what those techniques are called.

So the re-releases of the original trilogy, at this point, have multiple kinds of identity disorder at this point. There's the original artifacts, and now new ones, because a lot of that CG doesn't hold up. It's enough to give you major cognitive dissonance about what you're watching.
 
Spoo said:
Really good points. It doesn't help that CG in and of itself acts as a kind of timestamp for films. If you're a frequent moviegoer, you're able to roughly place the movie in its time simply based on what the CG actually looks like, what techniques are being used -- even if you have no idea what those techniques are called.

So the re-releases of the original trilogy, at this point, have multiple kinds of identity disorder at this point. There's the original artifacts, and now new ones, because a lot of that CG doesn't hold up. It's enough to give you major cognitive dissonance about what you're watching.
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Yes. For example, ANH as we know it know is this wierd Frankenstein of 77, 97, 2004 and 2011 effects and creative decisions.

It would be fine if it works and was cohesive.. But I don't think it is that for 99% of the audience. I think it's objectively wierd, and the divide is not whether you notice that it's an odd hybrid, but whether or not you care....
 
As someone who just recently watched all the films for the first time, I felt like while there was a definite gap in quality between the OT and the PT, I don't feel the vitriol towards to PT that most seem to. And I don't see an issue with any of the OT changes over time. I don't know. Maybe it's just a nostalgic thing for people who have been with the franchise for a long time.
 
Charles Foster Kane said:
Not as revolting as I find Hayden there or hearing a faint Jar Jar cheer.
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That is 100% not Jar Jar cheering.

BocoDragon said:
But I don't think it is that for 99% of the audience.
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There is no way this is close to accurate. Only hardcore Star Wars fans care about this stuff. For the millions upon millions of regular non-hardcore fans who buy the bluray/new digital editions/etc they don't care and don't even notice. Do you really think the millions of kids who grew up with the DVD/Bluray edits and never saw anything else can point out the changes or are even aware of them?
 
serenewarfare said:
As someone who just recently watched all the films for the first time, I felt like while there was a definite gap in quality between the OT and the PT, I don't feel the vitriol towards to PT that most seem to. And I don't see an issue with any of the OT changes over time. I don't know. Maybe it's just a nostalgic thing for people who have been with the franchise for a long time.
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Some people just have a higher tolerance for terrible acting. That's what it comes down to, as bad as the writing was for the prequels the OT had plenty of crap on the page. The difference was the actors brought the material to life.

Even Samuel Jackson played his role like a piece of cardboard, it is simply boring to watch him on screen. The only actors who brought an 'OT' feel to their performances were Ian McDiarmid and Anthony Daniels, no surprise there. They know what 'Star Wars' means because they were there in the old days. I'm sure when Ewan McGregor signed on he was expecting amazing sets, props, creatures, the things all kids have in their minds when they think about being in Star Wars. Instead he just stood in front of a greenscreen for 5 years talking to Hayden Christensen and occasional tennis balls on sticks. How could any new actor come into the franchise and deliver a good performance under those circumstances?

It's no surprise that the Disney people immediately identified how damaging the production methods for the prequels were and deliberately went back to bigger sets, location shooting, practical effects etc. You need the actors to enjoy working, to enjoy being in Star Wars, otherwise there's no point.
 
Ushojax said:
Some people just have a higher tolerance for terrible acting. That's what it comes down to, as bad as the writing was for the prequels the OT had plenty of crap on the page. The difference was the actors brought the material to life.

Even Samuel Jackson played his role like a piece of cardboard, it is simply boring to watch him on screen. The only actors who brought an 'OT' feel to their performances were Ian McDiarmid and Anthony Daniels, no surprise there. They know what 'Star Wars' means because they were there in the old days. I'm sure when Ewan McGregor signed on he was expecting amazing sets, props, creatures, the things all kids have in their minds when they think about being in Star Wars. Instead he just stood in front of a greenscreen for 5 years talking to Hayden Christensen and occasional tennis balls on sticks. How could any new actor come into the franchise and deliver a good performance under those circumstances?

It's no surprise that the Disney people immediately identified how damaging the production methods for the prequels were and deliberately went back to bigger sets, location shooting, practical effects etc. You need the actors to enjoy working, to enjoy being in Star Wars, otherwise there's no point.
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I understand everything you said, I just don't feel like the prequels are terrible. Are they subpar? Definitely, especially when compared to the OT, but I just can't find the bitter hatred for them that compels someone to make a post like yours. Hell, Episode 3 I'd even consider good.
 
It's depressing there are people here who have never heard Yub Nub - not because that song is any good (it isn't) but because it means there are people here who've never seen the originals. George really buried them deep :( I was on the cusp fortunately - my dad had the original VHS versions and those are the ones I watched growing up. Had he not shown us those, the first time I would have seen SW would have almost definitely been the Special Editions in '97. I shudder to think how many people haven't seen Sebastian Shaw as a ghost.

Yub Nub is such a lame track. Yes, Return of the Jedi isn't the strongest (or most serious) film but the saga deserves an emotional, cathartic close. Hell - the Luke climax is enough to warrant something more powerful than Yub Nub. As has been said, sure, we get the Pyre scene, but it needs that final jolt of energy to get the spine tingling and the tears rolling. These characters have been through a lot and seen a lot of shit at this point.

Victory Celebration is such a beautiful track. I don't even mind the celebration montage around the galaxy (sans shitty, out of place CG). It drives home the idea that their actions had significant effects on the galaxy. I can't really wrap my head around it now, but I imagine that with only the three films in their original state, the audience really wouldn't feel the significance of the destruction of the Death Star and the death of the Emperor when the movie only ever focuses on the small group of rebels celebrating. The montage solidifies the greater, significant good they've achieved.

Oh and to "I can't imagine the characters dancing to Victory Celebration like I can with Yub Nub" - Victory Celebration is non-diagetic music. It captures that tribal, raw sound of the Ewoks, but I don't think they're actually meant to be dancing to it. They're dancing to their own tune (probably something lame like Yub Nub).

Besides this, effectively all the other changes are pretty rubbish. Some I really don't mind - they're not super intrusive but are generally unwarranted. I could actually put up with all of them. HaydenGhost is a really daft moment that comes close to being a dealbreaker. The "No. Nooo" is an actual dealbreaker and is the sole reason I don't own the Blu-Rays. Arguably the single most powerful moment in the entire series - the culmination of both Skywalker characters (regardless of the PT), the climax of the trilogy and brilliantly effective in its raw emotion and simplicity - crisp, character-defining single action, and George takes a big, hammy, soppy, raggedy shit all over it.
 
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