Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Official Teaser Trailer #2

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Dooku can hardly be compared to the Fetts or Maul. They spend so much time talking up Dooku. On how he was a great jedi master. Who left to essentially walk the middle path. But you learn he's left for the Dark Side, and has replaced Maul. Unlike Maul, Dooku takes a full on political role. He is the Emissary of Palpatine while Palpatine can't do much anything else than long conning the Republic Senate.

Honestly for how shit AOTC was, Dooku's role was pretty damn interesting. Played by none other than Christopher Lee. Before we even got to see his neat lightsaber and fighting style, he was already the fascinating and powerful figure.

Dooku is probably the only thing about that film that I really like.
 
efyu_lemonardo said:
More importantly, can you provide any exampleof similar behavior with regard to Maul, Dooku or Grievous? All we ever see or hear from them is following orders. Where are the scenes that demonstrate that these characters are feared and revered in their own right?
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I'm not sure why how much they're "revered" in their own right matters. Like Blader said, Boba Fett is a hired gun; how much of a shit do you think Vader actually gives about him? They have like a brief exchange together but you're acting as if we see Vader sucking his dick. Who respects or even gives a damn about Jabba besides the people he pays or that idiotic Salacious Crumb thing? Tarkin and Boba Fett are also being used for whatever Vader and Palpatine need from them. Like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.

injurai said:
Honestly for how shit AOTC was, Dooku's role was pretty damn interesting. Played by none other than Christopher Lee. Before we even got to see his neat lightsaber and fighting style, he was already the fascinating and powerful figure.
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We didn't grow up in the 80's playing with Dooku toys so that's why he's not as important.
 
I would like to add my vote for Dooku as the most interesting Sith. Besides being Sir Christopher Lee, he always has noble intentions and his fall is much more believable than Anakin's, or Sidious and Maul who are just affably evil.
 
brandonh83 said:
I'm not sure why how much they're "revered" in their own right matters. Like Blader said, Boba Fett is a hired gun; how much of a shit do you think Vader actually gives about him? They have like a brief exchange together but you're acting as if we see Vader sucking his dick. Who respects or even gives a damn about Jabba besides the people he pays or that idiotic Salacious Crumb thing? Tarkin and Boba Fett are also being used for whatever Vader and Palpatine need from them. Like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.
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I'm ok with disagreeing. What I'm trying to say is that your point of view is based on a more mechanical interpretation of the script, more willing to accept something because the film tells you to. Whereas much of the criticism people have for the PT is based on a more emotional interpretation, which is more critical of certain points and needs them to be shown explicitly in order to be accepted.
 
efyu_lemonardo said:
I'm ok with disagreeing. What I'm trying to say is that your point of view is based on a more mechanical interpretation of the script, more willing to accept something because the film tells you to. Whereas much of the criticism people have for the PT is based on a more emotional interpretation, which is more critical of certain points and needs them to be shown explicitly in order to be accepted.
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What it essentially boils down to is you think those characters are cooler and more iconic than the prequel characters (which is ok!) You haven't presented any arguments that gives the characters you're defending any tangible depth, just as I haven't for the characters that I'm "defending" because there is very little to none. The likes of Boba Fett and Tarkin have been around since the late 70's and early 80's and they've been popular and familiar for that long so naturally some may be more inclined to feel like they're more important to Star Wars than the prequel characters when there's not actually much if any difference.
 
As far as Dooku is concerned, I agree that he was the most interesting new villain introduced. But I still think considering how big and important his role was supposed to be, that the end result (in terms of character development and believability) was subpar. We are told a great deal about him, but what we are actually shown doesn't live up to that.
 
efyu_lemonardo said:
As far as Dooku is concerned, I agree that he was the most interesting new villain introduced. But I still think considering how big and important his role was supposed to be, that the end result (in terms of character development and believability) was subpar. We are told a great deal about him, but what we are actually shown doesn't live up to that.
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He handily takes out two of the better Jedi virtually at the same time and led the entire Clone War, and escapes a battle with Yoda. I would say his reputation is put on display well enough. :p
 
Dooku was a dumb piece of shit. Took the place of the dude that killed his apprentice, allowed himself to be used in every way by Palpatine, and then got bodied by Anakin and replaced.
 
brandonh83 said:
He handily takes out two of the better Jedi virtually at the same time and led the entire Clone War, and escapes a battle with Yoda. I would say his reputation is put on display well enough. :p
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From a theatrical point of view, none of that is character development, and that's a big part of the point critics of the PT are trying to make.
 
Future PhaZe said:
Dooku was a dumb piece of shit. Took the place of the dude that killed his apprentice, allowed himself to be used in every way by Palpatine, and then got bodied by Anakin and replaced.
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Dooku had already long abandoned Qui-gon by the time he was killed by Maul. He was already long working under Palpatine. He was never the apprentice of Palpatine, as Dooku was a master in his own right. He just move into the right hand position temporarily. As I said before he was Palpatine's emissary. He may have been used, but a lot of what he did was self-motivated. As it had issues with the Republic and how the Jedi served as the Republics private arm in quelling conflict.
 
Future PhaZe said:
Whole problem with Dooku is that he should have been Qui-Gon
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It would be very interesting from an overall point of view if Obi's master turned, Obi's padawan turned and Obi still takes on Luke, who also may turn, it shows Obi in a very trusting and noble light to keep faith in people.
 
You're free to disagree with my point of view, but it really is consistent and based on evidence which I have provided. It's not pure nostalgia getting in the way, it's a perspective that puts greater emphasis on dialogue and character interaction, as opposed to cool acrobatics when using the force or fighting with a lightsaber.
 
If the acting overall wasn't so horrible Episode 1 could of actually been a great movie. The trip to the underwater regions of Naboo. The adventure to Tatooine and the dynamic of the Hutts at play and gambling and Pod Racing ( still one or my favorite sequences ). You had the mystery of the Sith and the slow rise of Palpatine beginning.

It had the most Star Wars feel of the entire prequel up to the very end of Episode 3. But good god the acting for the most part was just horrible

Talking about it actually makes me want to kick up my surround and throw it on lol
 
Dooku was such a waste of a potentially good character. We're told about how he's a powerful Sith Lord, fallen Jedi, etc.

All we see him doing is being pushed around by Palpatine like an expendable intern. His own command presence is reduced to bossing around his less than imposing army of slapstick droids. He's also given the ignominy of being the whipping boy for Yoda in Sonic the Hedgehog with a lightsaber mode.

It's hard to reconcile all the hype he's given from other characters and how much of a chump he actually is.
 
Erico said:
Dooku was such a waste of a potentially good character. We're told about how he's a powerful Sith Lord, fallen Jedi, etc.

All we see him doing is being pushed around by Palpatine like an expendable intern. His own command presence is reduced to bossing around his less than imposing army of slapstick droids. He's also given the ignominy of being the whipping boy for Yoda in Sonic the Hedgehog with a lightsaber mode.

It's hard to reconcile all the hype he's given from other characters and how much of a chump he actually is.
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Dooku could have been a fantastic character if it turned out that actually he was the only person who knew what was really going on and was waging war on the republic in earnest, knowing that Sidious was in fact the power behind the throne. Our heroes would than execute him at the end of Attack of the Clones, thinking they had wiped out the threat, when in fact they had killed the lone freedom fighter who knew how corrupt the Republic (and the Jedi) had truly become.
 
Speaking about armies of slapstick droids. I can't help but feel the only reason a droid army was put into the sequels was so we could have the good guys devastate the other side but to do so without a massacre of life.

It will be interesting going back to the Stormtroopers in TFA. I feel that tension of fighting real other people is what made the Battle of Hoth and the Battle of Endor so much better than anything we got in the prequels.
 
injurai said:
Speaking about armies of slapstick droids. I can't help but feel the only reason a droid army was put into the sequels was so we could have the good guys devastate the other side but to do so without a massacre of life.

It will be interesting going back to the Stormtroopers in TFA. I feel that tension of fighting real other people is what made the Battle of Hoth and the Battle of Endor so much better than anything we got in the prequels.
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What's especially interesting is they are humanizing the Stormtroopers in a way they never have been before. The moment Finn takes off that helmet is kind of a big deal. We are probably going to get friendly banter between troops. There's presumably gonna be scenes of Stormtroopers doing stuff, as characters. That immediately makes them more interesting than they ever have been. It's something the original films never did (no problem with that, considering what they were), and it's something the prequels actively worked against by making them all completely dispensable, identical clones.
 
injurai said:
Speaking about armies of slapstick droids. I can't help but feel the only reason a droid army was put into the sequels was so we could have the good guys devastate the other side but to do so without a massacre of life.
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I agree - which makes Clone Wars all the more interesting to me. You create droid lightsaber fodder for the movies but for the "kids show", you have humanoid bodies everywhere.
 
Mr Cola said:
It would be very interesting from an overall point of view if Obi's master turned, Obi's padawan turned and Obi still takes on Luke, who also may turn, it shows Obi in a very trusting and noble light to keep faith in people.
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yeah, and to take it even further, I always thought Anakin should have went to the dark side as a result of the Jedi nearly going extinct around him and thinking the dark side was the only way to win the war--he could have still been on mop up duty for rogue jedi after the order was gone, but I heavily dislike the way things went down

prequels could have been a lot better basically, but we all know that, the way it went down was hardly a tragedy
 
vagabondarts said:
This one is my favorite.

http://youtu.be/rvFR9jxqJUA
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"Millennial Falcon"

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MattyG said:
"Millennial Falcon"

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With the debate on who in the born post-1980 generation actually count as a millennials, my secret criteria is that people who think the prequels as a whole are OK are automatically millennials (though the converse may not be true). So far, this rule has been pretty accurate.
 
Just finished the last episode of Clone Wars Season 5. That was amazing and confirms my viewpoints about the way Lucas wrote the Jedi in the prequels. That last story arc of that season was fantastic.
 
Heh. This one worked on me, not just because the Father's reaction was as close as I've ever seen a grown man's get to being a child's at Christmas, but because the Father in question used to be a pretty big part of the spoiler-game back in 98/99.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/20/star-wars-catholic-priest_n_7101624.html

He used to take photoshop, and based on rumors that were swirling, try to mock up what the visuals might look like based on those rumors, and he called it the Virtual Edition. It was one of the most visited sites for a lot of Star Wars fans back then, and I remember there being a fight between a couple fansites over who got to host it.

It's really cool seeing he's still this into it.
 
brandonh83 said:
Just finished the last episode of Clone Wars Season 5. That was amazing and confirms my viewpoints about the way Lucas wrote the Jedi in the prequels. That last story arc of that season was fantastic.
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I just started my chronological order rewatch and I'm loving it. Even the early episodes make me glad that the prequel universe exists to tell these stories. The camera work and attention to detail in the battle scenes (camera shake, for example) is top notch.
 
brandonh83 said:
Just finished the last episode of Clone Wars Season 5. That was amazing and confirms my viewpoints about the way Lucas wrote the Jedi in the prequels. That last story arc of that season was fantastic.
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Absolutely. That one arc did so much to change my perception of Anakin in the prequels and pretty much cemented Ahsoka as my favorite Star Wars character.
 
BobbyRoberts said:
Heh. This one worked on me, not just because the Father's reaction was as close as I've ever seen a grown man's get to being a child's at Christmas, but because the Father in question used to be a pretty big part of the spoiler-game back in 98/99.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/20/star-wars-catholic-priest_n_7101624.html

He used to take photoshop, and based on rumors that were swirling, try to mock up what the visuals might look like based on those rumors, and he called it the Virtual Edition. It was one of the most visited sites for a lot of Star Wars fans back then, and I remember there being a fight between a couple fansites over who got to host it.

It's really cool seeing he's still this into it.
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Wow that was him? I remember that! Awesome!
 
BobbyRoberts said:
Heh. This one worked on me, not just because the Father's reaction was as close as I've ever seen a grown man's get to being a child's at Christmas, but because the Father in question used to be a pretty big part of the spoiler-game back in 98/99.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/20/star-wars-catholic-priest_n_7101624.html

He used to take photoshop, and based on rumors that were swirling, try to mock up what the visuals might look like based on those rumors, and he called it the Virtual Edition. It was one of the most visited sites for a lot of Star Wars fans back then, and I remember there being a fight between a couple fansites over who got to host it.

It's really cool seeing he's still this into it.
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Was he a priest back then or did he take up vows since then?
 
brandonh83 said:
Just finished the last episode of Clone Wars Season 5. That was amazing and confirms my viewpoints about the way Lucas wrote the Jedi in the prequels. That last story arc of that season was fantastic.
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care to share? (honestly curious, not out to criticize ;)


also, who is your avatar?
 
injurai said:
wait i'm interested in your view too, if you're interested in sharing
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I have several times on here in the past, not to much agreement but this show especially in the later seasons confirm my opinions of why Lucas wrote the Jedi in the very flawed manner in which he did, and the manner in which he was scrutinized for. I'll expand on it for you both later in more detail.
 
The prequel trilogy was missing that feeling of desperation and hopelessness. I like my heroes in Star Wars in the trenches. Empire is a dark film and it feels right.
 
BobbyRoberts said:
I remember one of the rumors (that I believe got debunked, but still sounded nice) had the premise of Obi-Wan on Tatooine getting caught up in helping/protecting some moisture farmers from an extortion racket from Mos Eisley gangsters. It was basically a loose Seven Samurai ripoff (which I believe was the very first thing Lucasfilm ever pitched/had pitched concerning a spinoff, in a meeting with Zack Snyder)
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vagabondarts said:
I would love this, honestly
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Not The Droid You're Looking For said:
I remember hearing about this. I had really wanted it to be real.
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BrokenFiction said:
I'd be down with this. Lucas borrowed heavily from Kurosawa anyway, so why not stick with what works?
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Now that Ewan is joining the Disney family for the upcoming live action Beauty and the Beast film, maybe we're just one tiny step closer to that Obi-Wan spinoff. ;)
 
I really need a loose Seven Samurai or Yojimbo movie with Jedi(s) in it. I think it would be such a great idea. Would just be perfect to have Obi in it.
 
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