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So for those that have seen early screenings of the movie, would you say it's better than, on par with, or worse than the original?

Better overall, but I'd say the action is actually worse. The way it's cut robs every punch, kick, and explosion of their impact. The best I could say is that it looks unimpressively expensive.
 
Currently sitting in the cinema, 5 minutes till it starts and there are like 10 other people here because of bus and train strikes.
 
Better overall, but I'd say the action is actually worse. The way it's cut robs every punch, kick, and explosion of their impact. The best I could say is that it looks unimpressively expensive.

Yeah that is a absolutely a problem I have with pretty much every Marvel movie (TWS was a lot better in that aspect obviously). This video does a really good job in showing why.
 
Well, my cinema managed to completely fuck up the 3D during the first 15 minutes or so of the movie. Some people rushed outside to tell staff that everyone was getting double vision. The 3D finally snapped back into place - and then the screen froze, and a member of staff walked in to announce that they were starting the film from scratch, lololol. That got a big round of applause and cheers from the audience! (Thankfully the 3D was serviceable and inoffensive from that point on - I wouldn't say that it confuses and detracts from the movie the way that some people have said, but it's not really awe-inspiring either.)

Okay, so actual impressions, keeping it spoiler free.

I'm still mulling over my overall thoughts, but I think I prefer the first movie. In big part, that is definitely down to the villain: Loki was simply a more compelling character for me than Ultron, whose motivations are not as well hashed out as they could have been. I think the first half of the movie also felt somewhat tonally disjointed and oddly paced. However, things started to come together in the second act, and the film was better for it. I liked the humour and Whedon-esque quips (a couple drew some very large guffaws from the audience, although none quite as big as that one certain event at the end of the first Avengers film).

The rest of my thoughts I think I will put in the spoiler thread.
 
So this have many jokes thrown around like candies?

IM3 all over again :/, will watch though :P

I do love Whedon's writing style, but sometimes he takes it too far in the wrong places, and I could see that being the case in A2 where a more serious undertone is such a huge backbone of the story. (I've not seen it yet, USA last!) I personally don't mind his quips but I understand how not everyone does.

I'm kinda glad that the Russo's have Avengers 3 & 4 though, with Thanos in them I feel they will do a much better job than Whedon would.
 
Why is this film released a full week ahead in some territories? You'd think a film this large would get a worldwide release?
 
Just came back from the movie...

It's ok. I wasn't blown away by it.

Some quick early thoughts...

- There are a lot of quips and jokes in this film. I don't mind these scenes where a serious
action piece is followed by a quip, but I felt Whedon went overboard with this.
- Some CGI was really rough looking.
- Ultron was really mixed for me. I dig Spader voicing him but some of his dialogues was so bad. Ultron
cracking jokes all the time
(not sure if spoiler, but just in case) felt off to me. Felt like some shitty Stark imitation.
- Movie is very dense with tons of action.

More thoughts in the spoiler thread.

3/5

Agreed.

The movie was just okay. The CGI in the beginning kinda rough.
Not a big fan of Spader here. The action also just okay.

A 7-ish out of 10
 
This does have a lot of quipping. I personally dont mind it, but I can see how it might annoy people. If you thought it was annoying in the first Avengers, than you will absolutely hate it here. Theres almost a quip or a joke in every scene. Its almost funnier than some of the comedy movies I've seen.
 
While I'm kinda bummed that Whedon's quip-happy style of writing seems to have been kicked up to 11 in AoU and Marvel has (apparently) squandered another opportunity for a compelling villain, I'm still interested in it.
 
It's pretty prevalent, yes. However, UCi Cinemas is doing a screening in English. It's one day only and for one showing only, but all their cinemas on April 29th will be showing the movie in English with, I suppose, italian subtitles.

At what time I guess it depends on the cinema. Here it will probably start around 19.10 - 19.40, considering past showings in English.
It's not possible to preorder a ticket yet, but I very much doubt that these showings will be all that popular.
I'm going on the 29th of course, I want more movies in English, not just one and once per week!

Maybe other theatres in Milan are doing something similar, but I'm only sure about UCi.
Excellent, that's the kind of info I was looking for!
Thanks a lot :D

yeah it's pretty normal.
it surprises me that it actually gets worse and not better. you'd think the youth would want (and be able to) see it in english. 10 years most of the movies were in english, now it's only a couple of screenings.
Depends on the country. In my experience The Netherlands and the dutch part of Belgium don't dub, unless it's a movie for children.
It depends on the country. In Germany, France, Italy and Spain literally every movie is dubbed without the option to see the original version, but here in The Netherlands only kids movies are dubbed (and even with those you can usually choose between the dubbed version and the original version).
That's good to know, Guess I won't be going to the cinema much while in Europe :P
It's also kinda weird for me that there is mostly no option though, since where I live except for children movies and occasional 3D movies almost nothing is dubbed, and even when it is there is always a subbed option.


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Clickbait title, and kind of missing the point on that quote.
Also LOL at the smug face.

So, higher RT score than Avengers or Lower when all is said and done?
Lower, I'll guess around lower 80s.

Can someone explain to me why people keep saying "Tony qiiet being Iron Man in Iron Man 3"... I didn't get that from the ending at all.
People don't like to pay attention apparently.

People are dumb.
This too.

Chill, people. It's not going to be worse than Iron Man 3. It just can't be. You'll get your dollars worth. Whedon knows his shit.
Good, that means it's going to be a fucking amazing movie :D

Wait, IM3 was bad?
Not in the least.

Maybe after the first film, the novelty of seeing all these heroes on screen together has disappeared and the movie itself is being judged.
Saving this for when Avatar 2 releases :P

Kinda joking, since Cameron has made basically the 2 best sequels of all time after all

You mean reviewers are doing their job?
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Seriously. Wait 11 hours and I should be back with the unbiased truthfact opinion you can all rely on.
Hah, I look forward to you calling the movie sh--

Just got back.

I thought it was a good deal better than the first Avengers film. Whedon's direction was actually leagues above his previous outing, so well done to him. I also appreciated that while the plot was convoluted at times, that this film - unlike the previous film, took the time to actually develop the individual characters and their relationships with each other in a way that didn't feel perfunctory.

ILM's work was outstanding.

Ultron was a huge letdown of a villain, though. Talk about muddled motivation. Also, any sense of intimidation or threat he starts with is quickly undermined and evaporated as he turns into just another forgettable, light-hearted butt of a joke, saturday-morning cartoon villain.

So colour me surprised. I was expecting a film on par with the middling first one and got something better.

Whedon's script could do with a little more economical use of screentime, but what's there is much better than the first film.

3D was pretty much worthless outside of adding depth in the in-helmet close ups of Tony and his HUD.

TWS > AoU > IM1 >>> >>> etc
Ok, mind blown.
I was not expecting this at all :O

So this have many jokes thrown around like candies?

IM3 all over again :/, will watch though :P
Good thing, IM3 was excellent.
 
So here's my question for people who've seen it:

Does it have adequate scale for an Avengers movie? To me these should be MAJOR events in the MCU, more than any other film.

The last movie spun out major plot points for pretty much every movie that followed, launched the MCU TV universe, and introduced a bunch of characters that have popped up around the rest of the MCU (like Maria Hill).

This just seems like another Marvel movie from what I'm hearing. That's disappointing...
 
Just got back from the movie.

Pretty disappointed ...

Ultron was extremely underwhelming until the very end.

Too many fucking quips.

Useless character deaths.

Confusing dialogue.

Such a mess ...
 
Yeah, same. But since they're not there, it's just weird. Who are they applauding? The cinema staff?

People watching a movie in a theater together are sharing that experience. It's showing communal appreciation and sharing in that with those around you.
 
Oh boy these gaffer impressions, if its worse or on par with Avengers 1 i might just skip seeing it on the big screen.

So Ultron was disappointing was it the script or Spaders performance?
 
So for those that have seen early screenings of the movie, would you say it's better than, on par with, or worse than the original?

Just got out of it. I wasn't a huge fan of the first film (it was okay, but nothing special) and I thought this one was better.

It falls victim to the same problems I have with all of the Marvel films (save for a few); too much bloat and CGI.

Therefore, it could never really contend with the best comic book films, IMO, but it's certainly better than most of the Marvel films save for GotG.

There are some overblown CGI moments which are a bit painful to watch (something involving Black Widow, but won't say anymore...people will know it when they see it).

The best moments in the movie are actually the really funny, self-aware stuff. The action scenes rarely impress me in these movies anymore, but there are one or two here that are pretty damn good (think Hulkbuster).

Performances are all great. The only small, tiny weak spot is the Korean actress, who feels out of place.

I'd give it a solid 8/10, but I'd like to come back with a more cohesive, spoiler-free review when I get home.
 
how does it compare to DOFP?


DOFP >>>> AOU

No contest ...

DOFP takes itself seriously when it has to...

AOU just tries too hard to be witty and funny ...

And it's ultimately unnemorable ...

I think it tried to juggle too many plot points and characters at once ...

There's isn't anywhere near enough Vision.

At least DOFP knew it had to focus on a small number of characters.
 
So are all the comments about this being the "edgy" Avengers sequel just complete bullshit? I admit I'm pretty disappointed if they didn't up the stakes or put more emotional tension into the characters given the tone of the first few trailers. What a waste of Ultron. :/
 
I told you guys that the review embargo up until yesterday was a red flag.

The truly great movies have several reviews on RT tomatoes way before wide release (and yes, April 23 IS wide release, I don't care what any of you say about the US not getting it before May 1st...most of the world gets it before then).

Many people were expecting a LOT from this movie because Marvel has been on a roll lately (CA: TWS and Guardians).
 
People watching a movie in a theater together are sharing that experience. It's showing communal appreciation and sharing in that with those around you.

Plus, recent studies have shown a large volume of simultaneous applause can actually transcend traditional notions of sound wave limitations and will, on occasion, make it's way to all involved in the movie's production.

It's a bit like your ears burning when people are discussing you.
 
DOFP was either the best or second best comic movie of last year, depending on how you felt about Winter Soldier.

I'm not sure why it seems so divisive, DOFP might be the best Xmen movie ever or at least the best one since X2.

When it comes to superheroes, everything has to be divisive.
 
DoFP was trash. I refuse to believe this.

I could see a huge MCU fan saying this. I agree that DoFP is the better FILM.

AoU does a better job of being pure, unadulterated spectacle. It's there to appease fans of the universe it's built, and does it's job well.

But in terms of a film that starts with an emotional core and builds around it, letting character performance and dialogue tell the story over CGI sound and fury, DoFP is superior in every single way. You don't need to be a film school student to see that.
 
People are talking about dubs. I don't really mind them in big movies. And i undestand that quality very much varies by country. Here in Russia, we have amazing dubs. Sure there are some mistakes in translation here and there, but overall they are good. Every big actor has a voice actor attached to them with a voice very similar to original. Like i go to movie with Clooney in it and i know how'll he sound, same with Downey Jr., Pitt, Cruise, ScarJo, Cooper etc.
While i prefer to watch TV Shows and performance based movies with subtitles, big blockbusters benefit from dubs in my opinion. I think it wouldn't be very comfortable to read subtitles, when you watch say Interstellar in IMAX, even though i would prefer to hear McConaughey's voice. For example in GOTG Michael Rooker's character in dubbed version sounded like Michael Rooker learned perfect russian and voiced him himself, Just 1:1.
 
I told you guys that the review embargo up until yesterday was a red flag.

The truly great movies have several reviews on RT tomatoes way before wide release (and yes, April 23 IS wide release, I don't care what any of you say about the US not getting it before May 1st...most of the world gets it before then).

Many people were expecting a LOT from this movie because Marvel has been on a roll lately (CA: TWS and Guardians).

Jesus dude it's getting 7s and 8s, not 2s.
 
I could see a huge MCU fan saying this. I agree that DoFP is the better FILM.

AoU does a better job of being pure, unadulterated spectacle. It's there to appease fans of the universe it's built, and does it's job well.

But in terms of a film that starts with an emotional core and builds around it, letting character performance and dialogue tell the story over CGI sound and fury, DoFP is superior in every single way. You don't need to be a film school student to see that.

Not too much on weapxn
 
Oh boy these gaffer impressions, if its worse or on par with Avengers 1 i might just skip seeing it on the big screen.

So Ultron was disappointing was it the script or Spaders performance?

Spader did great - it's the script that really limited his potential as villain.

It's still worth a watch in the cinemas (especially for some cool action moments between characters) but ultimately in the whole scheme of things, it's a mid-tier Marvel movie.
 
Doesn't DOFP have a pretty comparable cast size to this movie's? Most of whom were more cameos than major roles.

Cast size yeah but it was basically The Adventures of Wolverine & Mystique ft. Magneto.

AOU likely has the screen time more evenly distributed for its characters.
 
DOFP was either the best or second best comic movie of last year, depending on how you felt about Winter Soldier.

I'm not sure why it seems so divisive, DOFP might be the best Xmen movie ever or at least the best one since X2.

I didn't much care for DOFP to be honest, liked TWS and GotG a lot more. DOFP has one outstanding action sequence, the rest of it was completely unmemorable and the actions/motivation of certain characters just didn't make sense in a way that bothered me while watching it. It's not a bad movie per se just a disappointing one.
 
DoFP is a fantastic movie on its own and gets even better because it wiped out the bad movies before it from the timeline.
 
Cast size yeah but it was basically The Adventures of Wolverine & Mystique ft. Magneto.

AOU likely has the screen time more evenly distributed for its characters.

That's the problem with the X films. It gives most of its screen time to certain characters (Wolverine, Prof X) while other characters (Cyclops) get the shaft.
 
I told you guys that the review embargo up until yesterday was a red flag.

The truly great movies have several reviews on RT tomatoes way before wide release (and yes, April 23 IS wide release, I don't care what any of you say about the US not getting it before May 1st...most of the world gets it before then).

Many people were expecting a LOT from this movie because Marvel has been on a roll lately (CA: TWS and Guardians).

It's at 85% on RT.... that's bad?
 
Cast size yeah but it was basically The Adventures of Wolverine & Mystique ft. Magneto.

AOU likely has the screen time more evenly distributed for its characters.

Huh? People keep saying this when clearly it was Xavier's movie more than anybody (including wolverine). He had the character growth

Plus I'd argue his development is better than any single superhero movie arc in a while. Mostly for that scene where he meets his older self. Fanboy wank done right

And for an ensemble film to truly work its always best to give a few characters focus and others must be sacrificed for it tbh
 
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