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[AndyBNV]

Hey Andy did Nvidia tired to push HBAO+ to R*? Is it engine limitation or something else reason why there is no HBAO+ support? Awesome guide BTW. Do Witcher 3 next!

We offer all our tech to devs, and if it isn't used it's typically because:

1) It's not compatible with their current system and/or engine
2) The gains would be minimal because of the way the current tech works
3) The implementation would take too long, or available engineer hours are already budgeted to other work
4) The look of the tech or the enhancement it adds is out of sync with their aesthetic, e.g. highly detailed PhysX particles in a cartoony world

Any ETA on the AO fix patch ?

Haven't heard anything.

Check out my post here where I have screenshots showing TXAA vs FXAA. There's clearly more aliasing with TXAA. As for temporal aliasing, I don't notice any with MSAAx4 +FXAA, though it may be because the latter is simply blurring everything.

I show the same aliasing issues in my images. No whitewash of the truth here

Andy, I know this would likely make your life harder (as if you need that) but in future do you think there's a case for making webms (with a wipe over showing the differences) of differing AA solutions to show the advantages of temporal AA?

The reason I ask is that temporal elements to AA implementations are becoming more prominent and arguably more important these days (e.g. TXAA, advanced SMAA and Epic's AA solution).

The idea does interest me, though typically we have game-specific tech videos that demonstrate TXAA with special NVIDIA marketing flair.

Small question, GAF.

Every time a vehicle explodes, my screen blurs for a second. How do I turn this off? Motion blur? Something else?

It might be the 'Screen Effects' option in the Display sub-menu. Or maybe a part of the Post FX setting.

 

[daninthemix]

Although I can't afford to enable high resolution shadows, even on Very High, and with extended shadows all the way to max, there are times that distant shadows look absolutely horrible - particularly those cast by power lines and jagged edges.

 

[JimmyJones]

Is it just me or does the online seriously suck? It's just constant loading screens! It takes ages for the online to load. It takes ages to join sessions. If someone drops out of a heist is kicks everyone out and your forced to sit through another loading screen. I got that pissed off with it last night I closed the game in a rage.

 

[AndyBNV]

Is it just me or does the online seriously suck? It's just constant loading screens! It takes ages for the online to load. It takes ages to join sessions. If someone drops out of a heist is kicks everyone out and your forced to sit through another loading screen. I got that pissed off with it last night I closed the game in a rage.

If you're playing with friends, start in single-player, then begin an invite/friends only Online session. Get everyone in that, then begin a heist. When the mission ends or someone drops, you all quickly return to the same world, and can resume the heist with little delay.

 

[LilJoka]

I wonder whats better?
2103x1183 (DSR from 1080p) + FXAA
Or
1920x1080 + 2xMSAA + MFAA

 

[BrettHeazy]

Morning Andy,

don't suppose you're clued up on any HDD read speed errors are you?

got a Seagate ST500DM002 in my machine, which is about 5 years old but hasn't given me any trouble with games in the past at all.

thought I'd ask just incase, otherwise time to go out and buy SSDs

rig spec's are:

CPU: i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz
GPU: GeForce GTX 760
MEMORY: 8GB RAM

 

[AndyBNV]

Morning Andy,

don't suppose you're clued up on any HDD read speed errors are you?

got a Seagate ST500DM002 in my machine, which is about 5 years old but hasn't given me any trouble with games in the past at all.

thought I'd ask just incase, otherwise time to go out and buy SSDs

rig spec's are:

CPU: i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz
GPU: GeForce GTX 760
MEMORY: 8GB RAM

I haven't tested it personally, but common sense suggests there'll be delays in streaming in assets/models, and/or stuttering, most likely when flying. If you have a large amount of VRAM and RAM this may be less of an issue, but on a 760 (2GB version?) I could definitely envisage this happening.

 

[LilJoka]

Morning Andy,

don't suppose you're clued up on any HDD read speed errors are you?

got a Seagate ST500DM002 in my machine, which is about 5 years old but hasn't given me any trouble with games in the past at all.

thought I'd ask just incase, otherwise time to go out and buy SSDs

rig spec's are:

CPU: i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz
GPU: GeForce GTX 760
MEMORY: 8GB RAM

Your HDD is about 40% slower than my HDD. You get around 100MB/s sequential, i get 170MB/s. I dont get any streaming stutter, so it definitely could be an issue. I replied to someone with similar issues on their 500GB drive with similar read speeds too. Although as Andy says, im using a 970 with more VRAM. There is discussion on page 63 regarding HDD speeds.

Im not sure what you mean by "read speed errors". Are you getting stuttering even on relatively non-demanding graphics settings?

 

[Skyzard]

Finally got around to playing this today, think I've got it set up nicely now, thanks Andy for the guide.

Thought it was worth mentioning that RTSS can limit framerate to whatever you want if you prefer a lower locked framerate to a fluctuating one.
You just type the number near framerate limit.

4770K@4.4
780ti slightly overclocked to 1215
Targeting locked 42 fps

Graphical:
3072x1728
Borderless window
FXAA - OFF [on through nvidia inspector]
MSAA - OFF
TXAA - OFF
V-sync - OFF [on through nvidia inspector]
Pop density - 100%
Pop variety - 100%
Distance scaling - 100%
Texture quality - high
Shader quality - very high
Shadow quality- very high
Reflection quality - very high
Reflection msaa - x2
Water quality - very high
Particles quality - very high
Grass quality - high
Soft shadows - softest
Post fx - ultra
Motion blur strength - 10%
In-game dof - on
AF - 16x [in nvidia inspector I set it to high quality]
AO - high (I understand this is bugged atm?)
Tessellation - normal

Advanced Graphical:
OFF
OFF
OFF
detail 70%
shadows 70%

 

[noomi]

Good morning everyone, finally had a chance to look over Andy's guide properly this morning.... good god, fantastic work Andy.

 

[BrettHeazy]

Andy / LilJokka

I've got the 4gb card

And yes stuttering with all settings set to normal, first title that's ever done this to me.

Even when I use the optimizer it pushes me up to high/very high

Just had a reply from R* who are suggesting to reinstall DirectX and Lower Sound Acceleration, gonna give that a whirl this evening see where I get.

Cheers for the input guys!

 

[LilJoka]

Andy / LilJokka

I've got the 4gb card

And yes stuttering with all settings set to normal, first title that's ever done this to me.

Even when I use the optimizer it pushes me up to high/very high

Just had a reply from R* who are suggesting to reinstall DirectX and Lower Sound Acceleration, gonna give that a whirl this evening see where I get.

Cheers for the input guys!

Heres another thing, if the drive is relatively old and has had a lot of write/delete operations, its probably heavily fragmented, meaning instead of taking advantage of sequential speeds, its resorting to 512k or at worst 4k reads which are pitifully slow. This would be because the files are scattered all over the physical drive platter, that means more seeks and more latency, meaning possible stutter.

A method to relieve this is to use a 3rd party Disk Defragment program, something like O&O defrag. If you want to make the most of it, you can setup faster and slower zones with the program. Since the outer part of the disk is faster to access sequentially, you can tell O&O to put GTA V files there. That way you will get maximum speed for those files.

 

[Nervous Sausage]

I just realized that I get noticeable stutter when driving around listening to my custom radio soundtrack and as soon as I switch the radio to one of the other stations, the stutter disappears. Could it be because my Rockstar Games folder containing my MP3's is on another hard drive? Has anyone else noticed this or know of a way to fix it?

 

[Vuze]

I just realized that I get noticeable stutter when driving around listening to my custom radio soundtrack and as soon as I switch the radio to one of the other stations, the stutter disappears. Could it be because my Rockstar Games folder containing my MP3's is on another hard drive? Has anyone else noticed this or know of a way to fix it?

Yeah, well known issue. I personally didn't find a fix. Even copying the tracks to the SSD didn't completely get rid of it.

 

[Lockjaw333]

Yup, you honestly won't even notice the difference (visually) from Very High to High.

Something is wrong with the latest update though, I used to run with 2xMSAA + MFAA and grass on High with no issues, after the latest update I see massive frame drops on grass with the same settings.

I've had to downgrade to FXAA to maintain 60fps...am cry...

I think High for grass is the sweet spot unless you are running Titans or something. Very high adds a bit to it, and grass shadows I guess, but the difference isnt worth the perf impact to me. Putting grass on High will pretty much eliminate all of the drops in countryside and grassy areas.

One thing that's weird is that PCSS seems to have a small impact in the guide, but when I turn it on the game just feels weird. I get really subtle hitching and my fps drops in weird spots. It certainly looks better if you are sitting in an area with lots of detailed shadows, but for some reason it hurts my performance a little more than what the guide suggests.

High Resolution shadows is also MURDER in grassy areas I've found. Switching it on and off, I've noticed as much as a 15 fps difference if I'm standing in a grassy area. And as Andy said in his guide, its sort of difficult to see the difference with high res shadows when using any of the soft shadow settings (still looks better though).

 

[Nervous Sausage]

Yeah, well known issue. I personally didn't find a fix. Even copying the tracks to the SSD didn't completely get rid of it.

Oh okay, at least I'm not alone. Although the game and the music files are on different hard drives, they're both SSD's but I guess that doesn't help anyway.

 

[jg4xchamp]

Apologies for asking in potentially the wrong thread, but I got some reward points I can use and I can get the retail PC version of GTA 5, I wanted to ask if the game has Steam DRM on it, because I'd actually want that : >

 

[Stitch]

Only the version on the Steam Store has Steam DRM. Every other version will use the Social Club Launcher for downloading and patching and that thing seems to be a bit buggy...

 

[phyrlord]

did build 335.1 have some performance boosts? I feel like the game loads about 30% faster.

Also, in the desert I was having some random frame drops depending on the angle I was looking at curtain bushes etc, I'm not getting that any more.

i5 3570k oc'ed to 4.2Ghz
MSI 980GTX
16gigs 1600mhz

 

[LilJoka]

did build 335.1 have some performance boosts? I feel like the game loads about 30% faster.

Also, in the desert I was having some random frame drops depending on the angle I was looking at curtain bushes etc, I'm not getting that any more.

i5 3570k oc'ed to 4.2Ghz
MSI 980GTX
16gigs 1600mhz

I noticed this as well.

 

[Caayn]

Apologies for asking in potentially the wrong thread, but I got some reward points I can use and I can get the retail PC version of GTA 5, I wanted to ask if the game has Steam DRM on it, because I'd actually want that : >

Retail versions come with a key for Rockstar Social Club not for Steam.

 

[daninthemix]

Starting to get occasional crashes now. FFS Rockstar unless you can deliver a 100% stable product then at least have the common sense and decency to allow saving at any time (in or out of missions).

 

[Dick Justice]

Starting to get occasional crashes now. FFS Rockstar unless you can deliver a 100% stable product then at least have the common sense and decency to allow saving at any time (in or out of missions).

You can quicksave using the phone outside of missions.

 

[daninthemix]

You can quicksave using the phone outside of missions.

Yes mate, but most of my play is in missions. I just spent ten minutes hunting elk and it crashed right at the end of the mission, and I don't fancy doing it all again.

 

[phyrlord]

You can quicksave using the phone outside of missions.

Not saving with phone = Mind blown.

 

[Smokey]

You can quicksave using the phone outside of missions.

Yoooo

I didn't know this ;_;

Also for some reason...2560x1440 doesn't look ...impressive to me. 2560x1600 looks good. 4k without question. But 1440 even with 4x MSAA and TXAA...something looks off.

 

[Dynamic3]

I saw a note in yesterday's patch that there was a fix for the max framerate dropping unexpectedly.

Has this addressed stuttering for anyone?

 

[Dick Justice]

Yoooo

I didn't know this ;_;

Also for some reason...2560x1440 doesn't look ...impressive to me. 2560x1600 looks good. 4k without question. But 1440 even with 4x MSAA and TXAA...something looks off.

I always find it funny how so few people know this lol. It's awesome, loads up right where you saved, in the vehicle you're using too.

 

[Smokey]

On crashes : I personally haven't had any since I moved to afterburner overlay. I have a small OC on my cards too. I've done a lot of firing out of cars since I know some here have said that triggers CTD, but it's been fine for me. I am using RSC and not Steam. Been knocking out missions like crazy hope it continues.

 

[FakeWayne]

Has anyone tested, and been able to see any noticeable improvements going from 8gb or ram to 16gb of ram for this game?

I'm currently running 8gb and the game runs really well for the most part, but I do get the random stutter every now and then. Especially when colliding with other vehicles. Just wondering if adding another 8gb would do anything noticeable.

I'll probably end up adding it anyway since things look to be moving toward 16gb being the new recommended.

 

[Alo81]

The only character mirrors I came across free roaming were the ones in his bedroom, and the one in the apartment in GTA Online. Neither appeared to change IQ significantly when I tested shortly after launch. Will have another look today.

I found it pretty important when doing stuff like haircuts, because it let you see the front and back at the same time to decide the look you like best. Of course, screenshots don't do it full justice because a moving low resolution reflection looks significantly worse than a static one. Also, I think it's much more relevant in first person mode.

First of images, first person mode in the mirror of michaels house, second set is 3rd person selecting a haircut

In order, ultra, very high, high, normal.

 

[paskowitz]

Has anyone tested, and been able to see any noticeable improvements going from 8gb or ram to 16gb of ram for this game?

I'm currently running 8gb and the game runs really well for the most part, but I do get the random stutter every now and then. Especially when colliding with other vehicles. Just wondering if adding another 8gb would do anything noticeable.

I'll probably end up adding it anyway since things look to be moving toward 16gb being the new recommended.

According to my OSD I am using 7.8Gb of ram when running GTA V. Now this is with some other programs in the background, but still. I would say go to 16gb. You won't need to upgrade your RAM for a very long time.

 

[Derp]

Alright i'm almost completely done tweaking.

What I've managed to achieve with my 780 Ti so far is 4k capped at 30fps with no drops, everything maxed except for MSAA (off), grass (high) and advanced settings (only high detail streaming while flying is on). The 30fps cap was done with RTSS, Vsync is enabled through control panel, and the 30fps feels like console-30fps, which feels really "smooth", so i'm super happy with that.

The last hurdle now: Does anyone know how any methods to remove input lag? I've set maximum pre-rendered frames to 1, but it didn't make a huge difference (and is sacrificing fps).

 

[LilJoka]

Alright i'm almost completely done tweaking.

What I've managed to achieve with my 780 Ti so far is 4k capped at 30fps with no drops, everything maxed except for MSAA (off), grass (high) and advanced settings (only high detail streaming while flying is on). The 30fps cap was done with RTSS, Vsync is enabled through control panel, and the 30fps feels like console-30fps, which feels really "smooth", so i'm super happy with that.

The last hurdle now: Does anyone know how any methods to remove input lag? I've set maximum pre-rendered frames to 1, but it didn't make a huge difference (and is sacrificing fps).

60fps!

 

[garath]

Has anyone tested, and been able to see any noticeable improvements going from 8gb or ram to 16gb of ram for this game?

I'm currently running 8gb and the game runs really well for the most part, but I do get the random stutter every now and then. Especially when colliding with other vehicles. Just wondering if adding another 8gb would do anything noticeable.

I'll probably end up adding it anyway since things look to be moving toward 16gb being the new recommended.

Unfortunately my kid's baseball practice ran WAY late last night so I didn't get a chance to test but I'm currently running 8gigs of RAM but ordered another 8. It's sitting on my desk waiting for me to put it in and test GTAV again.

Going to have to try to do that today and report back.

 

[Derp]

60fps!

I can't do it man. 4k is just too beautiful.

ALSO I REMOVED THE INPUT LAG!!!

I can official stop fucking around with settings. I've reached the epitome of tweaking. 4k at a SILKY SMOOTH CONSOLE-LIKE 30FPS (don't laugh pls, this is serious business), and everything maxed except grass, msaa and advanced graphics. On a single 780 Ti.

*wipes sweat from forehead*

 

[FakeWayne]

Unfortunately my kid's baseball practice ran WAY late last night so I didn't get a chance to test but I'm currently running 8gigs of RAM but ordered another 8. It's sitting on my desk waiting for me to put it in and test GTAV again.

Going to have to try to do that today and report back.

Oh awesome...I'm definitely looking forward to hearing about this.

 

[undercoverb0ss]

I can't do it man. 4k is just too beautiful.

ALSO I REMOVED THE INPUT LAG!!!

I can official stop fucking around with settings. I've reached the epitome of tweaking. 4k at a SILKY SMOOTH CONSOLE-LIKE 30FPS (don't laugh pls, this is serious business), and everything maxed except grass, msaa and advanced graphics. On a single 780 Ti.

*wipes sweat from forehead*

What did you do for input lag?

 

[FallingEdge]

I fixed my crashing by removing my personal OC on my CPU. I reset it to whatever the ASUS Mobo OC was via BIOS and no crashes at all. It is weird because I didn't have any issues before. Could run Prime95, play multiple other games, etc. GTAV was the exception. I will go back to my OC and try again later. I'm sure the voltages were incorrect or something along the lines of that.

 

[Derp]

What did you do for input lag?

You might want to ignore that actually. I did find a way to completely remove input lag (go into the keyboard/mouse settings and change the mouse input to windows), however the obvious drawback is that... Well... It's not raw input. Soo... It's not that great. In fact it's really dodgy (for me at least). So I reverted back. I probably should've tested it more before I posted :/.

Direct Input also seems to reduce input lag, but again, nothing beats raw input so it's definitely not a good trade off.

Looks like my tweaking journey is still going. Fuck you, input lag.

 

[DjRalford]

I fixed my crashing by removing my personal OC on my CPU. I reset it to whatever the ASUS Mobo OC was via BIOS and no crashes at all. It is weird because I didn't have any issues before. Could run Prime95, play multiple other games, etc. GTAV was the exception. I will go back to my OC and try again later. I'm sure the voltages were incorrect or something along the lines of that.

Yeah it really shows up Overclocks that you think are stable, I had to take my 4790k back to 4.4ghz to stop my crashes. Since doing it I haven't had a single crash.

You might want to ignore that actually. I did find a way to completely remove input lag (go into the keyboard/mouse settings and change the mouse input to windows), however the obvious drawback is that... Well... It's not raw input. Soo... It's not that great. In fact it's really dodgy (for me at least). So I reverted back. I probably should've tested it more before I posted :/.

Direct Input also seems to reduce input lag, but again, nothing beats raw input so it's definitely not a good trade off.

Looks like my tweaking journey is still going. Fuck you, input lag.

If you get a large object and sit next to it when you play the gravity will slow time down for you technically making time move faster at the TV resolving your input lag.

Spoiler

the above advice is not guaranteed to work and I am not responsible for any damage said object may cause

 

[Lockjaw333]

I can't do it man. 4k is just too beautiful.

Are you using DSR?


For some reason everything looks really weird when I use DSR resolutions, its like its not scaling correctly on my monitor. What is the deal?

 

[daninthemix]

You might want to ignore that actually. I did find a way to completely remove input lag (go into the keyboard/mouse settings and change the mouse input to windows), however the obvious drawback is that... Well... It's not raw input. Soo... It's not that great. In fact it's really dodgy (for me at least). So I reverted back. I probably should've tested it more before I posted :/.

Direct Input also seems to reduce input lag, but again, nothing beats raw input so it's definitely not a good trade off.

Looks like my tweaking journey is still going. Fuck you, input lag.

You need triple-buffered v-sync plus Max pre-rendered frames=1. Both together give the lowest input lag I know of (short of going without v-sync altogether).

 

[Damian.]

Are you using DSR?


For some reason everything looks really weird when I use DSR resolutions, its like its not scaling correctly on my monitor. What is the deal?

Could it be the smoothing setting? I find that the default is a bit fuzzy on my television, I prefer the look of 0% smoothing.

 

[Lockjaw333]

Could it be the smoothing setting? I find that the default is a bit fuzzy on my television, I prefer the look of 0% smoothing.

Yeah its too blurry at the default 30%. I tried 0% and it still doesn't look right. Not sure why.

 

[Dave_6]

Are you using DSR?


For some reason everything looks really weird when I use DSR resolutions, its like its not scaling correctly on my monitor. What is the deal?

Yeah it has to do with the smoothness setting. DSR 4K always looks amazing but anything under that has a fuzzy look. I haven't figured what a good setting is yet to fix that.

 

[ss_lemonade]

IIRC, it should just work. Let me dig into this.

Thanks Andy. This is for the RSSC version by the way. Doesn't matter if I try launching the game through Steam as a non steam title to stream, or if I load the game through it being detected by Geforce Experience, it would never go past the initial launcher. I've tried all sorts of workarounds already like forcing the exe files to run as admin or creating batch files to get the game to launch through steam and the only way I could get it to work was to start streaming after it goes through all those exe files.

I fixed my crashing by removing my personal OC on my CPU. I reset it to whatever the ASUS Mobo OC was via BIOS and no crashes at all. It is weird because I didn't have any issues before. Could run Prime95, play multiple other games, etc. GTAV was the exception. I will go back to my OC and try again later. I'm sure the voltages were incorrect or something along the lines of that.

Same here. I had another 4.6ghz OC config which I never used but had higher voltage settings IIRC and that one worked fine. My current OC profile (which I thought was super stable because its what I've been using for a year now) would crash frequently with GTA V, and with the latest update would never even make it to the rain scene now.

 

[Derp]

Are you using DSR?


For some reason everything looks really weird when I use DSR resolutions, its like its not scaling correctly on my monitor. What is the deal?

Nope, running native 4k on a 4k monitor. Not sure of any issues with DSR though. What makes you think it looks weird though? It should scale correctly because it works in multiples of your native resolution. Not sure what you're seeing man.

 

[TheAdmiester]

Yeah it has to do with the smoothness setting. DSR 4K always looks amazing but anything under that has a fuzzy look. I haven't figured what a good setting is yet to fix that.

I think that's when you aren't running at a res that is a perfect multiple of your native res, as far as I'm aware. I assume it's something to do with pixel mapping.

 

[Lockjaw333]

Nope, running native 4k on a 4k monitor. Not sure of any issues with DSR though. What makes you think it looks weird though? It should scale correctly because it works in multiples of your native resolution. Not sure what you're seeing man.

Yeah I'm trying to DSR downscale on a 1080p monitor.

Not sure, only way I can describe it is that it seems like its not scaling to the pixels of my monitor correctly. Maybe I am doing something wrong.