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Just saw the movie in Zurich. Gawd damn I love this movie so much, definitely my Top 1 MCU Movie. So looking forward to Civil War!
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Why is that movie so highly regarded? Lol.
It's ok, nothing special. I don't even think it was better than Kingsman.
It wasn't better than F&F 5 either.
It was worse than 2 Fast. It's not a good movie at all, and this is coming from a massive fan of the series.
Shit, in my school, a 74 was a D and a 69 an F
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-- excluding your opinion of the movie as a whole, without spoiling any more if possible; is this going to be super detrimental to my experience? It isn't the "Bruce Willis was dead all along" of this movie?
Quicksilvers death in this movie, not how or why, just that it happened
Only a little over half the markets.... damn Disney gonna make so much money this year.
I expected this.
Music to my ears.
That's not unusual. A lot of first cuts for movies will run at 3+ hours long before getting trimmed down.
SCULLIBUNDO
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LOL the movie doesn't need another 20 mins. Thing runs for 2.5 hours already.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Also AoU's Quicksilver isn't as bad as I thought, but ain't got shit on DoFP QS. But they're both different enough that it doesn't matter.
pel1300
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neogaf is just THAT predictable.
CadetMahoney
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crazy times we live in.
It could use more time to allow the action scenes to breath. I'm sure they have the coverage, it's just cut to shit for the sake of brevity and CGI budget.
SargerusBR
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Did you liked it?
SCULLIBUNDO
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Rubbish. The action scenes are already on the verge of becoming overlong. Believe me they don't need to add in another 20 minutes of action. You guys are nuts. Reminds me of the people who used to say TDKR should have been split into two parts. The movie is already long as is and even has a good bit of downtime.
^ yes I enjoyed it more than the first.
Just got back from the cinema, and the film really delivered. Ultron was interesting, everyone got their time in the spotlight and both of the Twins were handled well. Scarlet Witch was an absolute badass and Quicksilver was actually Quicksilver, though he didn't get any slow motion scenes as fun as the one from DoFP.
I think people are talking more about character moments that were cut from the final film as opposed to action scenes.
Furious 7 is so bad reviewers should not have even wasted their time reviewing it. When Furious 7 is at 82% thats when you know reviews in Rotten Tomatoes should not be taken seriously. TDKR at 88% lmfao.
Alcoremortis
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I'm guessing you're still in high school.
I know that at my university, a 60% would sometimes be an A, depending on the grade curve. It wasn't that people were stupid, the tests and grading would sometimes be very tough to combat grade inflation and give a more even distribution of scores. Applying this to reviewers, a reviewer who rates movies more harshly would have a lower curve, making the middle scores more valuable.
...That would mean that it would have to have more positive reviews than there are reviewers.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Even then, movie is plenty long.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
SCULLIBUNDO
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Just keep in mind that the first really isn't a high bar to clear. Posted my impressions a few pages back.
TheVampire
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Why couldn't Joss demand this movie to be 10 minutes longer ?
Because it's already like 2.5 hours and he set out to make it shorter than the first, which he did by like a minute.
The action scenes aren't on the verge of anything, they already are overlong. They're also mostly pieced together from quick cuts. There appears to be fight choreography, but instead of showing it, we get half second shots of Captain America punching at air, and then cut to another subject doing the same thing. Given the shit that goes on in this movie the action scenes should be insane, but most of it falls flat because of the way it's edited. It's as if the movie is bored by it's own spectacle.
Veering off topic here, but grade curving is such a stupid idea. You either know the material or you don't. Whether other people know it shouldn't matter to your score.
60% on RT isn't a D though, it means that 6 out of 10 people liked the movie.
Alright, so my non-spoiler thoughts on this movie. I'm copy pasting most of this from my Tumblr.
I'm pretty firm in my convictions that it's better than the first one when you get down to it. I would like to assume I’m mostly confident on that because, well, the second movie has some big shoes to fill, and the lightning in a bottle that was the first Avengers is something that you’re never going to be able to capture again. Avengers 2 was never bound to have an easier ride than the first one; the first movie could have been a disaster for all we know and it’d probably still do good on account of that immense buildup. Thankfully it turned out pretty damn amazing to boot, but it had some clear telltale signs of what Avengers 2 could improve from that point on. I think it capitalizes on that mostly.
I would suggest that the less trailers you’ve seen of it, the better off you are for what it has to show. But even then, Avengers 2 surprises a lot with what it does. In fact, I expected the movie to be far more serious than it ended up being. It out-Whedons the original by how many memorable quips there are, how everyone has their moment and how every character interacts. If I’d have to compare the movie to any other Marvel movie, AoU essentially feels the most like Iron Man 3, but with a lot more heart to it. I loved Iron Man 3 and I know a lot of people didn’t, something that I kind of understand, but I never felt as if Age of Ultron actually sacrificed it’s necessity for character development just to make a funny joke which is a crazy balance to uphold. Some of these characters get some incredible moments. If there is a flaw with the movie it’s that it could have used another 10 minutes of running time, since at times it feels like it trims some corners. Not for action, but for some of the characters.
Having mentioned that the levity of the movie comes as a bit of a surprise, I think Ultron plays a large part in it. I feel that people who are going into the movie expecting Spader to play this incredibly menacing bucket of bolts might leave disappointed. It’s definitely true that his plans and his abilities feel more like a potent threat against the team than anything else that’s existed in the MCU prior, but the movie kind of accentuates an aspect that feels like kind of an occam’s razor when you think about it - Ultron is an AI that was designed predominantly by Tony, and his personality quips draw predominantly from that. This easily makes him the most unpredictable villain that the MCU has had, but perhaps not the best, even though he sometimes proves to be an incredible source of laughter. I would say his motivations are really muddled but several interesting exchanges across the movie, including one scene near the ending, makes me think that this is a character that will be interesting to analyze on repeat viewings.
That last part is especially interesting to me because Ultron kind of serves as a larger catalyst for themes of fear of your own creations, which is the basic premise of the movie and constitutes a continuous cycle within each character’s arc, which there are many of. This isn't really a spoiler but I'll put it here anyway just in case.
And that’s basically my thoughts on the new movie. I imagine a lot will change with time but again, I don’t see the same high that carried Avengers being something that can carry AoU, and that it works without that is a testament to it’s qualities I believe. Might not be as exciting of an event but it certainly felt like it left plenty of room to think about, and if this really is Whedon bowing out of the MCU, I’d say he did it with a lot of grace. Who was the MVP? I’d say Quicksilver comes close, if only because he feels true to the actual comics rather than the overpowered guy we got in DoFP. He’s fun as hell and his powers come across more naturally and practical. He's a hot shot but not one that's anywhere near overbearing, and he actually has limits. I'm surprised how good the visual effects for him were. Oh and also of course, Hawkeye also redeems himself in every single way. He might just be the best thing about the movie, and that says a lot considering how much of a bystander he was in the first. Believe the hype when it comes to him.
Early call, but I’d say it’s my third favorite in the MCU, bested only by The Winter Soldier and Guardians. Check it out for a good time!
I'm pretty firm in my convictions that it's better than the first one when you get down to it. I would like to assume I’m mostly confident on that because, well, the second movie has some big shoes to fill, and the lightning in a bottle that was the first Avengers is something that you’re never going to be able to capture again. Avengers 2 was never bound to have an easier ride than the first one; the first movie could have been a disaster for all we know and it’d probably still do good on account of that immense buildup. Thankfully it turned out pretty damn amazing to boot, but it had some clear telltale signs of what Avengers 2 could improve from that point on. I think it capitalizes on that mostly.
I would suggest that the less trailers you’ve seen of it, the better off you are for what it has to show. But even then, Avengers 2 surprises a lot with what it does. In fact, I expected the movie to be far more serious than it ended up being. It out-Whedons the original by how many memorable quips there are, how everyone has their moment and how every character interacts. If I’d have to compare the movie to any other Marvel movie, AoU essentially feels the most like Iron Man 3, but with a lot more heart to it. I loved Iron Man 3 and I know a lot of people didn’t, something that I kind of understand, but I never felt as if Age of Ultron actually sacrificed it’s necessity for character development just to make a funny joke which is a crazy balance to uphold. Some of these characters get some incredible moments. If there is a flaw with the movie it’s that it could have used another 10 minutes of running time, since at times it feels like it trims some corners. Not for action, but for some of the characters.
Having mentioned that the levity of the movie comes as a bit of a surprise, I think Ultron plays a large part in it. I feel that people who are going into the movie expecting Spader to play this incredibly menacing bucket of bolts might leave disappointed. It’s definitely true that his plans and his abilities feel more like a potent threat against the team than anything else that’s existed in the MCU prior, but the movie kind of accentuates an aspect that feels like kind of an occam’s razor when you think about it - Ultron is an AI that was designed predominantly by Tony, and his personality quips draw predominantly from that. This easily makes him the most unpredictable villain that the MCU has had, but perhaps not the best, even though he sometimes proves to be an incredible source of laughter. I would say his motivations are really muddled but several interesting exchanges across the movie, including one scene near the ending, makes me think that this is a character that will be interesting to analyze on repeat viewings.
That last part is especially interesting to me because Ultron kind of serves as a larger catalyst for themes of fear of your own creations, which is the basic premise of the movie and constitutes a continuous cycle within each character’s arc, which there are many of. This isn't really a spoiler but I'll put it here anyway just in case.
There's a late game scene that feels like it serves as the best excuse to run with the whole “rogue AI goes crazy” plot that I felt might have been misguided for something like this, and the scene also comes to show some of the best conflict exhibited by each of the central characters. It simultaneously justifies the plot device and critiques it. It was a much better execution of that infamous 360 degree camera shot in the first movie where each character was bickering with one another.
And that’s basically my thoughts on the new movie. I imagine a lot will change with time but again, I don’t see the same high that carried Avengers being something that can carry AoU, and that it works without that is a testament to it’s qualities I believe. Might not be as exciting of an event but it certainly felt like it left plenty of room to think about, and if this really is Whedon bowing out of the MCU, I’d say he did it with a lot of grace. Who was the MVP? I’d say Quicksilver comes close, if only because he feels true to the actual comics rather than the overpowered guy we got in DoFP. He’s fun as hell and his powers come across more naturally and practical. He's a hot shot but not one that's anywhere near overbearing, and he actually has limits. I'm surprised how good the visual effects for him were. Oh and also of course, Hawkeye also redeems himself in every single way. He might just be the best thing about the movie, and that says a lot considering how much of a bystander he was in the first. Believe the hype when it comes to him.
Early call, but I’d say it’s my third favorite in the MCU, bested only by The Winter Soldier and Guardians. Check it out for a good time!
bananafactory
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Great writeup, thanks. I'm really excited to see this next week
shira
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This is the only question that needs answering. lol
ReplacementPelican
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Legitimate question but why are people so hung up on DOFP Quicksilver? He had an incredible set-piece but it's not like the actual character himself was anything amazing.
They didn't fuck Ultron up. He's one of the best parts of the movie.
When a James Cameron fan says a movie is too long, it's probably too long.
Some of the impressions in this thread beg to differ, and friends who watched the movie last night said it didn't do Spader justice.
Spader as Ultron is amazing. The casting itself was brilliant and he made the most of it.
I think the issue with most people is going to be what people are expecting of him. His entire introduction shows some great promise but when he's re-introduced he ends up making a sort of awkward joke and it already sets a bit of a sinking feeling from that point. Thankfully I thought they recovered pretty well from that and he provided some of the most entertaining bits in the movie.
I do admit I kind of hoped to see the more super imposing no quarter-type villain like the trailers implied but in the end I found him to be charismatic and occasionally funny as hell. Considering the movie's themes it's kind of interesting to think about his motivations.
I can't find an advance screening in my area so it looks like I'll have to wait a week to watch this :/
He was a fun character who despite having little screen time managed to be memorable. People always mention the set piece but even before that happened the audience I watched it with was into every scene he was in. It was a nice tease for his (apparently) bigger role in Apocalypse.
And some of them say he is one of the best parts of the movie. Why are you only counting the negative ones?
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