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Avengers: Age of Ultron |Spoiler Thread| Thanos Dies in This

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James Spader killed every single line and was incredibly interesting and convincing as a character throughout the movie, but the script/direction utterly failed to make him threatening in any physical way towards the avengers. A huge shame and the biggest missed opportunity in a Marvel movie yet for me because the acting was so on point.

Overall still a really enjoyable movie, wish it felt a little bit less like a little piece of a huge puzzle and a little bit more like it was doing its own thing.
 
James Spader killed every single line and was incredibly interesting and convincing as a character throughout the movie, but the script/direction utterly failed to make him threatening in any physical way towards the avengers. A huge shame and the biggest missed opportunity in a Marvel movie yet for me because the acting was so on point.
Agree. All it needs is maybe two additional minutes of him kicking the Avenger's arse in Vibranium form before Sokovia.
 
Just saw the movie and it was great, happy they turned up the dial on the dumb comic book stuff by introducing the Vision. Although it's weird how they never explained who he actually is, it's not like everyone has even heard of him.

It's also disappointing that we never saw a glimpse of the future, it was the whole reason why I was excited to see the Vision.
 
Stark, Banner and ultimately Thor bringing Vision to life in a Frankenstein way was cool.

I loved the shot that Tony, Thor and Vision had of them decimating Ultron. It's a combination I didn't expect to love as much as I did.

Man, god and something beyond come together to lay the smackdown.
 
I thought it would have been awesome to have Coulson in the Helicarrier with Fury and Maria Hill. Also we still assume that the Avengers still don't know that he's alive.
 
I thought it would have been awesome to have Coulson in the Helicarrier with Fury and Maria Hill. Also we still assume that the Avengers still don't know that he's alive.

They didn't seem too surprised about fury either, which should be a bigger secret. BW and cap knew but I don't know, the others and especially stark didn't seem to give a fuck, more like "oh you're there"
 
I loved the shot that Tony, Thor and Vision had of them decimating Ultron. It's a combination I didn't expect to love as much as I did.

Man, god and something beyond come together to lay the smackdown.

That was awesome! But then right after that came such a weird out of place scene of Ultron piloting a jet over the battlefield... I dunno but it felt so off to me..
 
So Thor seems to know about the gem in GOTG. Guess Asgard still keeping contact with him.

QS dying made me mad though. Not even kidding.
 
Just finished. Liked it much more than the first one. Whedon's massively improved in terms of direction, pacing, and the weaving in and out of characters. Dialogue is more natural, the plot is better and more settled now the Avengers are already together, and it's all coherent despite the amount of things going on. The action probably isn't as good as the first one - some of the editing here is a little haywire - , but it works far better in other departments.

The performances are generally better; Evans and Johansson doing CA2 work, Renner taking his beefed up part and running with it, and all the new additions adding something at least (both twins are fine, Bettany has a real presence even if I remain a little confused about Vision's origins!). RDJ and Hemsworth suffer a little because there's just so many characters, but both actors are so comfortable in the roles that it's negligible. Whedon's very good at getting the best out of chemistry, so all the Tony/Cap scenes, all the Bruce/Widow scenes, they all really worked for me. The party and safe house sequences were very strong.

Ultron is both a pleasure and a disappointment in ways; he's absolutely the best Marvel villain so far (note I don't really understand the fuss over Loki), and Spader is 75% the reason it works. He gets some good lines that would come across far less menacing without that cadence and voice, so props to him for that. I like what the intentions with him are - so revolted by humanity despite just being one himself, in everything but physical form - , but in the end he just lacked danger. How I wished for a representation of that comic panel where he kills an entire country just to get their attention. It would have done a lot for his impact if something similar was done here.

It absolutely is a sequel - enjoyed seeing the guy who defied Rumlow in TWS working for SHIELD! - and the best way to view this films really is as almost ludicrously high budgeted TV shows; serialised continuations and advancements of other plotlines. Works massively for me when I have an understanding of the MCU as a whole.

Things I didn't like: Thor's visions, entirely irrelevant to the film and not interesting enough to get me interested in Ragnarok (and I didn't understand how what he saw led to his part in Vision's birth). The aforementioned lack of real impact Ultron had. Quicksilver's quip when he died (don't have a problem with the death per se, but that was a bit shitty).

And most of all, the massive wariness that they're going to fuck Thanos up. This is all just extremely presumptuous, but based on their villains so far, their lack of physical threat and the way he's been handled up to this point, I'm not exoecting much.

He gets the gauntlet from some unspecified location with no build up whatsoever, the scene is ten seconds long so offers literally nothing, and because of the placement of the gems so far - one on Asgard, one on Knowhere, one on Earth and one on Xandar - I fail to see how they'll 'Thanos Quest' it and show him using tactics and his own strength and intellect. It'll probably just be him using armies of faceless aliens to blow holes in safes while he grabs them.

No. Let me see him tear the Vision apart and rip the stone from his head. Let him trick the Collector like he does in the Thanos Quest. Let him lay waste to Asgard, swatting Loki aside like a fly. Let him travel into the cosmos, resisting the forces of space and time and reality all to have a chess match. It doesn't matter if you turn back time at the end and everyone comes back to life because the gem is a viable deus ex machina, but at least let me feel the danger of Thanos before you do that.

That mid credits sequence was fucking rubbish. It really was.

But yeah. Good film. High tier Marvel. One of their top tier films, along with TWS, IM3 and GOTG. Phase Two > Phase One by some distance, even allowing for the distinctly average Thor 2 (and even that was far better than the first).
 
I didn't like Vision picking up Thor's hammer. Not one bit.

Great movie otherwise. Hawkeye was fantastic and easily the star of the movie.

Ultron continued the trend of boring villains in MCU. Is it really that hard to make movie villains compelling? I expected something special with Ultron, but he was nothing more than a wise cracking c-tier villain.

Such a disappointment.
 
Really wish we'd gotten a 2 minute fight scene with all Avengers against just Ultron in the Vibranium body. That was a let down but Spader really killed the role. Great work.

So delighted about Hawkeye's beefed up role. This was exactly what I wanted from him.
 
It absolutely is a sequel - enjoyed seeing the guy who defied Rumlow in TWS working for SHIELD! - and the best way to view this films really is as almost ludicrously high budgeted TV shows; serialised continuations and advancements of other plotlines. Works massively for me when I have an understanding of the MCU as a whole.

Never noticed the guy was the same guy at the monitor who was supposed to launch the Helicarriers in TWS, great spot!
 
I agree on QS death being pointless, but I expect they wanted to sacrifice someone to try and convey how big of a threat/dangerous Ultron was....fell completely flat as he was such a joke up until that moment and was a joke immediately after too.

He wasn't the least bit threatening.
 
Ahem, so what do you think of the New Avengers? Seems weaker on paper but I think Scarlet Witch's makes up for it, I mean she pulled Ultron's heart out of a freaking Vibranium torso.

- Captain America
- Falcon
- War Machine
- Scarlet Witch
- Black Widow
- Vision
 
Ahem, so what do you think of the New Avengers? Seems weaker on paper but I think Scarlet Witch's makes up for it, I mean she pulled Ultron's heart out of a freaking Vibranium torso.

- Captain America
- Falcon
- War Machine
- Scarlet Witch
- Black Widow

No Hulk and Thor is a pretty huge loss tbh.

Strongest now would be War Machine who is pretty much just Iron Man, and Scarlet Witch.

Also I haven't been watching Agents of SHIELD so did they deal with how SHIELD is suddenly back in season 2?
 
They'll get crushed by Thanos if they don't scatter/change the team during/after civil war
Falcon, black widow and war machine are shit tier in power levels
 
i dont know if it was already discussed...

I mean, i thought the internet would be blasting this by now...

But the post credits scene is a REAL Marvel´s The Potato moment

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They didn't seem too surprised about fury either, which should be a bigger secret. BW and cap knew but I don't know, the others and especially stark didn't seem to give a fuck, more like "oh you're there"

As a conclusion to phase 2 it was very uneven. Whedon basically picked whatever he liked from the other films and ran with it. Kinda disappointing.
 
Ahem, so what do you think of the New Avengers? Seems weaker on paper but I think Scarlet Witch's makes up for it, I mean she pulled Ultron's heart out of a freaking Vibranium torso.

- Captain America
- Falcon
- War Machine
- Scarlet Witch
- Black Widow

You forgot the Vision who's like overpowered with the Mind Gem.
 
Ahem, so what do you think of the New Avengers? Seems weaker on paper but I think Scarlet Witch's makes up for it, I mean she pulled Ultron's heart out of a freaking Vibranium torso.

- Captain America
- Falcon
- War Machine
- Scarlet Witch
- Black Widow

You forgot Vision
 
Right. So they have two really strong guys (scarlet witch and vision) and the rest being just pretty strong (cap) or just a big strong (falcon, widow, machine)

Didn't the last avengers also have two really strong guys (hulk/thor) and the rest being just pretty strong (cap) or just a bit strong (hawkeye, widow, iron man)

pls whedon
 
Yeah Vision is Thor level of power, with a powerful computer brain. So he's basically Thor and Iron Man in one.

My god I fucking hated the irish accent Friday at the end. That needs to go away.
 
The new team probably won't get much screentime, Let alone make it till Thanos. I expect it to change after Civil War.
 
Anyone think this movie would have worked better as a two part blockbuster? Like I know how most third movies of the trilogy do the third parter thing as a cash grab but it could have led to more plot development.
 
Anyone think this movie would have worked better as a two part blockbuster? Like I know how most third movies of the trilogy do the third parter thing as a cash grab but it could have led to more plot development.

Oh fuck no. They should have just made it 3 hours long, but not two parts
 
Seeing you guys talk about it makes me think that Ultron probably would've come up better if they played up the fact that he's directly controlling all of those drones more. It fits with the team cohesion theme both of the Avengers movies have had running through them and having him jump between bodies can be pretty effective for making him more intimidating.

Right. So they have two really strong guys (scarlet witch and vision) and the rest being just pretty strong (cap) or just a big strong (falcon, widow, machine)
I'd say Hulk and Thor for Vision & Witch is a pretty fair trade, though Witch is obviously a lot easier to kill. Iron Man for War Machine is a loss, Hawkeye for Falcon is probably a gain.
 
Anyone think this movie would have worked better as a two part blockbuster? Like I know how most third movies of the trilogy do the third parter thing as a cash grab but it could have led to more plot development.

Nah.

AoU could have benefitted from a slightly extended cut in terms of dialogue and character moments but at most it only needs about 10-15 more minutes. It feels like a busy movie but it only barely manages to prevent itself from overstepping the boundary into "bloated".

I will say though that it's a clever choice on their part to split Avengers 3 into two parts if this is of any indication. AoU pushes itself to breaking point and I can't imagine another Avengers of even bigger scale being able to fit itself into this kind of running time unless every single Phase 3 movie dedicates itself for building that one up.
 
Anyone think this movie would have worked better as a two part blockbuster? Like I know how most third movies of the trilogy do the third parter thing as a cash grab but it could have led to more plot development.

I think Whedon just needed to do a better job incorporating the character development from the solo movies.

It felt like this movie could have been just set right after Avengers 1 at times.
 
I enjoyed the movie but I wish Ultron was more of a threat. A shame too, as Spader was awesome in it.

Also, can someone give me a quick summary of the post credits sequence? I had to bail straight after it.
 
I enjoyed the movie but I wish Ultron was more of a threat. A shame too, as Spader was awesome in it.

Also, can someone give me a quick summary of the post credits sequence? I had to bail straight after it.

Thanos picks up the Infinity Gauntlet and goes "Well, I guess it's time for me to get my ass kicked".
 
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