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Corpsepyre
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Reckon I can watch this with glasses off and not miss much at all in the way of 3D? Cinemas here don't show 3D movies in 2D, and I was wondering if I could just take them blasted glasses off if the 3D is piss, as most are saying it is.
Don't have time to post elaborate impressions, but I found the movie to be disappointing overall, especially compared to A1. The best action sequences were in the beginning and middle (
), but the finale was a bit of a mess, and paled in comparison to the battle of NY in A1.
Not a big fan, definitely one of the weaker Marvel movies (probably in the minority with this). I'll reserve final judgement for a rewatch though.
For reference, my Marvel top 3. 1) Guardians. 2) Iron Man. 3) Avengers
Hulkbuster scene was amazing
Not a big fan, definitely one of the weaker Marvel movies (probably in the minority with this). I'll reserve final judgement for a rewatch though.
For reference, my Marvel top 3. 1) Guardians. 2) Iron Man. 3) Avengers
Yeah I wasn't a big fan of the 3D but if you took off the goggles the whole thing was kinda blurry..
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Freedom = $1.05
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Does he do more than pull a switch this time?
Shuggananas
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Yeah he fights more, although he has some weird moments that don't make too much sense lol
I rank this one above avengers because it has more action and less "boo boo we don't want to be together to save the world" bullshit
I rank this one above avengers because it has more action and less "boo boo we don't want to be together to save the world" bullshit
Lol yup. No more silly moment like that. More combo moves too.
Freewheelin'
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Just finished. Liked it much more than the first one. Whedon's massively improved in terms of direction, pacing, and the weaving in and out of characters. Dialogue is more natural, the plot is better and more settled now the Avengers are already together, and it's all coherent despite the amount of things going on. The action probably isn't as good as the first one - some of the editing here is a little haywire - , but it works far better in other departments.
The performances are generally better; Evans and Johansson doing CA2 work, Renner taking his beefed up part and running with it, and all the new additions adding something at least (both twins are fine, Bettany has a real presence even if I remain a little confused about Vision's origins!). RDJ and Hemsworth suffer a little because there's just so many characters, but both actors are so comfortable in the roles that it's negligible. Whedon's very good at getting the best out of chemistry, so all the Tony/Cap scenes, all the Bruce/Widow scenes, they all really worked for me. The party and safe house sequences were very strong.
Ultron is both a pleasure and a disappointment in ways; he's absolutely the best Marvel villain so far (note I don't really understand the fuss over Loki), and Spader is 75% the reason it works. He gets some good lines that would come across far less menacing without that cadence and voice, so props to him for that. I like what the intentions with him are - so revolted by humanity despite just being one himself, in everything but physical form - , but in the end he just lacked danger. How I wished for a representation of that comic panel where he kills an entire country just to get their attention. It would have done a lot for his impact if something similar was done here.
It absolutely is a sequel - enjoyed seeing
- and the best way to view this films really is as almost ludicrously high budgeted TV shows; serialised continuations and advancements of other plotlines. Works massively for me when I have an understanding of the MCU as a whole.
Things I didn't like:
And most of all, the
But yeah. Good film. High tier Marvel. One of their top tier films, along with TWS, IM3 and GOTG. Phase Two > Phase One by some distance, even allowing for the distinctly average Thor 2 (and even that was far better than the first).
The performances are generally better; Evans and Johansson doing CA2 work, Renner taking his beefed up part and running with it, and all the new additions adding something at least (both twins are fine, Bettany has a real presence even if I remain a little confused about Vision's origins!). RDJ and Hemsworth suffer a little because there's just so many characters, but both actors are so comfortable in the roles that it's negligible. Whedon's very good at getting the best out of chemistry, so all the Tony/Cap scenes, all the Bruce/Widow scenes, they all really worked for me. The party and safe house sequences were very strong.
Ultron is both a pleasure and a disappointment in ways; he's absolutely the best Marvel villain so far (note I don't really understand the fuss over Loki), and Spader is 75% the reason it works. He gets some good lines that would come across far less menacing without that cadence and voice, so props to him for that. I like what the intentions with him are - so revolted by humanity despite just being one himself, in everything but physical form - , but in the end he just lacked danger. How I wished for a representation of that comic panel where he kills an entire country just to get their attention. It would have done a lot for his impact if something similar was done here.
It absolutely is a sequel - enjoyed seeing
the guy who defied Rumlow in TWS working for SHIELD!
Things I didn't like:
Thor's visions, entirely irrelevant to the film and not interesting enough to get me interested in Ragnarok (and I didn't understand how what he saw led to his part in Vision's birth). The aforementioned lack of real impact Ultron had. Quicksilver's quip when he died (don't have a problem with the death per se, but that was a bit shitty).
And most of all, the
massive wariness that they're going to fuck Thanos up. This is all just extremely presumptuous, but based on their villains so far, their lack of physical threat and the way he's been handled up to this point, I'm not exoecting much.
He gets the gauntlet from some unspecified location with no build up whatsoever, the scene is ten seconds long so offers literally nothing, and because of the placement of the gems so far - one on Asgard, one on Knowhere, one on Earth and one on Xandar - I fail to see how they'll 'Thanos Quest' it and show him using tactics and his own strength and intellect. It'll probably just be him using armies of faceless aliens to blow holes in safes while he grabs them.
No. Let me see him tear the Vision apart and rip the stone from his head. Let him trick the Collector like he does in the Thanos Quest. Let him lay waste to Asgard, swatting Loki aside like a fly. Let him travel into the cosmos, resisting the forces of space and time and reality all to have a chess match. It doesn't matter if you turn back time at the end and everyone comes back to life because the gem is a viable deus ex machina, but at least let me feel the danger of Thanos before you do that.
That mid credits sequence was fucking rubbish. It really was.
He gets the gauntlet from some unspecified location with no build up whatsoever, the scene is ten seconds long so offers literally nothing, and because of the placement of the gems so far - one on Asgard, one on Knowhere, one on Earth and one on Xandar - I fail to see how they'll 'Thanos Quest' it and show him using tactics and his own strength and intellect. It'll probably just be him using armies of faceless aliens to blow holes in safes while he grabs them.
No. Let me see him tear the Vision apart and rip the stone from his head. Let him trick the Collector like he does in the Thanos Quest. Let him lay waste to Asgard, swatting Loki aside like a fly. Let him travel into the cosmos, resisting the forces of space and time and reality all to have a chess match. It doesn't matter if you turn back time at the end and everyone comes back to life because the gem is a viable deus ex machina, but at least let me feel the danger of Thanos before you do that.
That mid credits sequence was fucking rubbish. It really was.
But yeah. Good film. High tier Marvel. One of their top tier films, along with TWS, IM3 and GOTG. Phase Two > Phase One by some distance, even allowing for the distinctly average Thor 2 (and even that was far better than the first).
I'm in Australia and we only got shitty trailers. Tomorrowland (first teaser), San Andreas, Ant-Man (first teaser) and Terminator. No Star Wars
Got Star Wars, Jurassic World and Ant Man at my cinema in WA
EDIT: The movie was great. Some unexpected moments and one of my favorite Marvel films.
Maintenance
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Going to watch this two and a half hours from now. Will post my impressions later.
Freewheelin'
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fixed for mine
In the end though, none of the top four are best film ever material, but they're all really solid entertainment. Already forgetting AoU half an hour after leaving, but felt the same about every MCU film. Disposable light cartoon stuff, but very fun.
Mangoverboard
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Just out of it. Really enjoyed it. Largely agree with what freewheelin' has posted. Loved Ultron as a villain, palpable personality and menace. Spader did a great job.
I'm watching it tomorrow and I hope I haven't spoiled myself by watching the trailers.
My ranking:
Top
1. Cap 2: The Winter Soldier
2. GotG
3. Avengers
4. Iron Man 1
Mid
Captain America - The First Avenger (I like this one much more than the other two though)
Iron Man 3
Thor 2
Low
Iron Man 2
The Incredible Hulk
Thor
My ranking:
Top
1. Cap 2: The Winter Soldier
2. GotG
3. Avengers
4. Iron Man 1
Mid
Captain America - The First Avenger (I like this one much more than the other two though)
Iron Man 3
Thor 2
Low
Iron Man 2
The Incredible Hulk
Thor
Shuggananas
Banned
I'm close to you
Cap2
GotG
Avengers 2
IM1
Avengers 1
Cap 1
Thor 1
IM3
IM2
Hulk
Cap2
GotG
Avengers 2
IM1
Avengers 1
Cap 1
Thor 1
IM3
IM2
Hulk
MaizeRage25
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My rankings:
Winter Soldier
GotG
Avengers 1
Cap1
IM1
IM3
Thor
IM2
Thor 2
Hulk
Winter Soldier
GotG
Avengers 1
Cap1
IM1
IM3
Thor
IM2
Thor 2
Hulk
Vampirolol
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God Tier:
Iron Man 3
Awesome:
Gotg
TWS
AoU
Avengers
Really Good:
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
and then the others wich are ok.
Iron Man 3
Awesome:
Gotg
TWS
AoU
Avengers
Really Good:
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
and then the others wich are ok.
Shuggananas
Banned
IM3 god tier ? geez
That mandarin was stupid as fuck, and it had a lot of stupid things too
That mandarin was stupid as fuck, and it had a lot of stupid things too
sti4thewin
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OMG Iron Man 3 was complete shit tier
Freewheelin'
Member
AoU QS was a character that had motivation and wasn't just used as a plot device.
there is mid credit scene, but no post credit scene
The Mandarin twist was great. Easily one of the coolest twists that the MCU thought up, one that I didn't see coming and one that actually worked in the context of IM3's plot/post-Avengers MCU. I didn't really care for it being a betrayal of the source comics since the original Mandarin was already a pretty stereotypical caricature that would need an insane amount of rewrites to work regardless. Plenty of people had accepted for a long time that the Mandarin would be incredibly hard to get to work in a movie.
Interview with Joss Whedon:
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/ave...oss-whedon-interview-avengers-marvel-titan-ae
Well, there we go!
(No spoilers in the rest of the interview, don't worry.)
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/ave...oss-whedon-interview-avengers-marvel-titan-ae
Well, there we go!
(No spoilers in the rest of the interview, don't worry.)
Freedom = $1.05
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yeah, i think i've tempered my expectations a bit. I'll go into this one basically expecting the avengers 1.5. It sucks that the characters seem to be acting differently than they do in their solo outings, especially since Tony was having some PTSD stuff in IM3 (might be the only thing i liked about that movie) and i would imagine that Cap would have serious trust issues after TWS.
flintstryker
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Won't be watching htis for a while but my ranking
Top
Captain America 2
Iron Man 1
Mid
Daredevil TV Series (kinda lose its steam late on imo)
Avengers
Captain America 1
Low
GOTG
Iron Man 3
Iron Man 2
Thor 1
Thor 2
Hulk
Despite ranking I actually enjoy aspects of each of these movies and would welcome more
Top
Captain America 2
Iron Man 1
Mid
Daredevil TV Series (kinda lose its steam late on imo)
Avengers
Captain America 1
Low
GOTG
Iron Man 3
Iron Man 2
Thor 1
Thor 2
Hulk
Despite ranking I actually enjoy aspects of each of these movies and would welcome more
I haven't seen the movie yet but that seems to be part of his motivation for creating Ultron and the Iron Legion in the first place. In one of the released clips, he talks about not being prepared for when aliens drop out of the sky, and the Iron Man drones are meant to safeguard against things like that.
flintstryker
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Also for those who has seen the movie, is Ultron at least a convincing Villain in this? I have been dissapointed with all the Marvel Villains so far (Red Skull wasn't too bad though that's probably because I am a huge Hugo Weaving fan) and I believe its high time we get one that's not a complete joke
Not really.
DoFP QS is That 70's Show DC-Speedforce plot hole of a character with not-Scarlet-Witch. He did not capture the spirit of the character the way AoU did - troubled past, solidarity with sister, angry but with heart of gold.
A CW Flash timestop scene in DoFP is not going to change that for me.
FunkyPajamas
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Is it a funny scene (shawarma) or is it a "lore" scene (Thor's hammer at the end of IM2)? Feel free to spoiler tag that.
Shuggananas
Banned
Lore scene but very minor, nothing surprising
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oZIks6NlK8
Joss talks about deleted scenes and the Vision.
Too bad there won't be a director's cut of the film for home video.
Joss talks about deleted scenes and the Vision.
Too bad there won't be a director's cut of the film for home video.
But with this plot twist, we end up with the main bad guy being an evil business guy for the third time in a row. Okay, evil scientist business guy, but still.
Ironman 1 commercials show him fighting with middle eastern terrorists, but the REAL bad guy was his business partner.
Ironman 2 commercials show him fighting Whiplash, but the REAL bad guy was his business opponent.
Ironman 3 commercials show him fighting The Mandarin, but the REAL bad guy was a scientist business guy he pissed off once
It's getting annoying.
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I don't think that's a twist when it's the driving force of the plot.
Hammer wasn't really the real bad guy in IM2. He was less menacing and more comic relief and pathetic, sorta like Trevor Slattery.
He's largely defined by Tony's deadpan snark which is imbued into a character that has an insane amount of potential to tear the heroes apart. What he can do is cool, when he does it it's cool, but at the same time the character is less "serious" than many people were expecting. His presence mixes charisma with menace and a lot of the time it veers towards the former, which might disappoint a lot of people unfortunately. His motivations are not that readily apparent and they vary throughout the plot but in some ways he's interesting enough to dissect thanks to the main theme of the movie.
I'd say he's one of the better MCU villains but that's not exactly a high bar to meet. I'd say he tussles a bit with Loki for whatever spot one might think he owns. But if you're not a fan of the MCU villains that came before him, this one won't change your mind.
Iron Man 2 was bad but let's not mistake what it was for what it wasn't. Hammer was upstaged by Whiplash in every way and the only reason he existed was so Whiplash had an excuse to take the wheel.
I don't care much for Killian as a villain but I still maintain that the twist was legitimately good. That and his powerset is pretty interesting so I can forgive him being a suit. He ain't no Senator Armstrong but I managed to look past that whole aspect of him. (plus literally breathing fire was so fucking silly it was worth it)
That's right. I never rewatched IM2 so I forgot that Vanko comes back after getting arrested.
But still. There's always a rich white guy behind the scenes.
I didn't really get this at all, the movie is very firmly in line with what preceded it as are the characters and their motivations.
Just got out and yeah I loved it. Builds upon the first film pretty heavily and is a lot more character driven. There's no big pay off like the Assemble scene in the first but that's okay because for me at least this whole film is the payoff. This is what I wanted after the credits of Avengers rolled and I'm over the moon that we got it.
Wanda and Pietro were great additions to the cast and I'm glad that Hawkguy finally got his time to shine in some surprising ways. The Hulkbuster scenes were amazing, ILM are just wow.
Haven't seen it yet, but was Loki cut entirely from the film?
Spoilers even though it says in the article
Yeah he's not in it which is fantastic as he's over played as is and the film is pretty dense anyway
maquiladora
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Alright, so I enjoyed it. Been a while since I watched the first Avengers movie, but I think this was better. I like Whedon's writing. Sometimes it misses the mark and feels a bit cringey, but that's offset by the great lines when he gets it right. Action was mostly quite well directed, some cool moments but nothing really jawdropping. Story was pretty good though perhaps missing something towards the end. Overall, I'd say that if you like Marvel movies then you'll like this a lot, it's one of the better ones.
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