Astral Dog
Member
yes, although the Lady/Trish one seems a bit out there
apparently them fighting Dante for a slice of pizza? going to Fortuna together, Trish already left DMC with Sparda so a scene like that could be a change.
Devil May Cry 4 SE: Vergil, Trish & Lady Playable, Release Date 18th of June
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yes, although the Lady/Trish one seems a bit out there
RadioHammer500
Banned
someone on youtube just said DmC: Devil May Cry gameplay is more fluid and more original than DMC 4
i don't know how to react
i don't know how to react
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Let them dream.
Am I seeing this correctly and that's a wake up draw and pull back xx sheathe?
Dante's forever my boy, but this Vergil doe...
Just ignore 'em.
PensivePen
Member
Sparda is such a cool weapon. So glad we're getting to use it again.
His story bits are pre-DMC3.
That Dude John
Member
HIT ALL THE THINGS
Monocle
Member
Some people have no idea what they're talking about.
Astral Dog
Member
I doubt she is going to be a significant character, we may not even know her name. and with Vergil investigating the Order something its going to come up with that too.
unless the ending is Vergil literally forgetting the order to go on a date with the girl.
BumblebeeCody
Member
No joke, I didn't even hear that. My mistake.
Budget Vergil.
Ummm, no.
Well... he could also find out what the order was up to from the girl... so the ending could very well be Vergil going on a date and we watch both of them with icecream cones at the park talking about how the order are worshipping a demon as a god..
At the park
Vergil: "So they worship a demon as a god huh"
Mysterious girl with no VA: *nods*
Vergil: "Here" *hands over icecream* "Sparda is actually my father and I'm a badass half demon"
Mysterious girl with no VA: *Gasps in surprise*
Camera pans out.. the end..
- Fanfiction.net April 2015
RadioHammer500
Banned
im playing DMC 4 right now, and yeah i agree with everyone else that it's the best combat in any game ever.
but does the new DmC: definite edition, with its new features put it at almost equal level with DMC 4 im thinking of getting that as well
Legendary Dark Knight is fun
BumblebeeCody
Member
In terms of playability, technical and mechanical gameplay plus difficulty on a ranking system I'd say it goes(based on the games I play):
DMC1 > DMC 2 > DMC3, Njnja Gaiden 2/3, Metal Gear Rising > DmC, Bayonetta 1/2, Darksiders 1/2 > DMC4
So in that case DmC has a high level of technical and fun Gameplay but doesn't quite hit the same note as DMC4.
With that being said I think both DMC4 and DmC need to be looked at as two half games
DmC Dante is the easiest(not as crazy on the controller) to play alongside Nero in DMC4. Both games have a secondary character that really push their respective games go a much MUCH higher level. DMC4 Dante is the height of game play for any Hack and Slash game but DmC Vergil is another beast that plays completely different to DmC Dante. It depends on who you're looking to play in each game since DMC4 and DmC have 2 very different playable characters each.
I would recommend DmC if you want a game that's that quote a bit better(offers more) than DMC 3 combat.
RadioHammer500
Banned
so DMC 4 Dante is the king of hack and slash
followed by DmC Vergil? is that what im getitng from you
DMC2 better than DMC1?
Wut
And yes DmC DE is pretty good too. Must play for action fans.
What's actually mind blowing is that the sheathing animation actually explodes enemies tagged with Summoned Swords sort of like Dante's Lucifer. His Rapid Slashes in DT mode auto fire Summoned Swords and if you let the sheath animation finish it will explode those swords.
There's probably some gif of this in action.
Wut
And yes DmC DE is pretty good too. Must play for action fans.
No he's doing Rapid Slash and letting the sheath animation complete.
What's actually mind blowing is that the sheathing animation actually explodes enemies tagged with Summoned Swords sort of like Dante's Lucifer. His Rapid Slashes in DT mode auto fire Summoned Swords and if you let the sheath animation finish it will explode those swords.
There's probably some gif of this in action.
BumblebeeCody
Member
In a nutshell yes. But I think it will all change once DMC4:SE comes out.
Like I said, based on my own personal experiences. Admittedly I'm not 100% educated on DMC1 and 2 high level play.
PensivePen
Member
Even with only 4 weapons I think he's ahead of DMC4 Dante just for the sheer variety and the fact that his styles are a little more versatile. And there are things he can do that DMC4 Dante can't like wild stomp, free ride, wall running and crazy combos. Though DMC4 Dante has a few things of his own like guard flying.
Yea DMC3 Dante doesn't have inertia as a game engine "feature" and thus cannot use fly guard cancel. He can't do the horizontal moving Rainstorm either.
Still modded DMC3 Dante is superior because he has Doppelganger. The modded version allows you to play in different styles for different clones which unlocks a whole new dimension to combo depth. Like for example you can do Real Impact while your clone does Artemis Multilock.
I honestly do not believe a human being will ever be able to master that. Yea you will see combos online that utilize that tech but it's only surface level.
Still modded DMC3 Dante is superior because he has Doppelganger. The modded version allows you to play in different styles for different clones which unlocks a whole new dimension to combo depth. Like for example you can do Real Impact while your clone does Artemis Multilock.
I honestly do not believe a human being will ever be able to master that. Yea you will see combos online that utilize that tech but it's only surface level.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
I really don't get how you can put DMC2 above DMC1 in any context. I'm gonna have to ask what your criteria are.
BumblebeeCody
Member
Ninja Theory managed to make it possible to control both with DmC Vergil. It's extremely complex but it is possible with Doppelgänger in DmC to send commands and alter it's Angel/Demon state (via double buffering and masking your inputs). They've done something masterfully clever with that character and his DT.
Keep in mind I'm only talking about combat. Story, characters, music, graphics etc is irrelevant. DMC2's combat is better than DMC1s. There's a lot more to it.
PensivePen
Member
I don't really think there is. DMC1 has two weapons which each probably have a larger movepool than DMC2's two starting characters. I never unlocked Trish so I can't speak for her, but unless she's a massive improvement from the other two I doubt it's much different. And even aside from that the physics and how they work in dealing with enemies is just so much more fluid in DMC1. Or I should say it's so bad in DMC2, nothing reacts in a manner conducive to playing stylishly in the latter game. Your attacks all knock enemies too far away and there's only a few very basic, pre-set combos you can string together.
I really hope Inertia/Royal Guard Flying will be a staple going forward. I love that shit, and I'd be sad to see it go. 
Yeah, DMC3 Style Switching is not something meant for humans to master. Would like to see a TAS with it, though!
DMC2 doesn't play as well as DMC1, though. DMC1 is super polished, and while pretty archaic by today's standards, it's still an enjoyable game. DMC2 is... not. And trust me on this. I tried to play it a week ago. Wasn't fun.
TheSadRanger
Banned
So do we know yet if Dante or Nero are going to get any love?
Agni & Rudra is plz
BumblebeeCody
Member
True. I genuinely think so.
Funnily enough Trish is the one I play the most. She's well worth unlocking as she's probably the most fun character to play in the game.
So fair enough DMC2 is arse to the DMC fans but I do urge you check why the game is actually capable of. It really does have some fun aerial combos, tricks and mechanics.
There's a good one here:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TDWZIoPzSLE
It's really not that bad. As I said before though, I'm just talking about combat.
Gettin there though.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
DMC2's combat is almost the entire reason why it's such a terrible game though. Trash enemies who barely attack and get destroyed by guns in seconds, multiple bosses who you can only effectively fight by shooting at them, awful physics and fucked up movement for the main characters in general... Maybe there are some advanced tricks buried in there somewhere, but that doesn't give it better combat than the first game.
Lord Dante
Neo Member
Tell him to go back to DMC.org
Also, IMO both DmC and DMC2 are on the same level. When I picked up DmC, it was a glitchy mess and I disliked the more "edgy" tone of the game. DMC2's combat is awful but it sucks that it has my favorite Dante design :/
I can't agree.
DMC2 has more combos and different DT elements, but they're all bad. The entire game feels slow and sluggish, with lofty physics and severely limited utility. As people have pointed out, Trish is the most fun character to play, and she's mostly a carryover from DMC1 Dante with some additions.
You can see it at the end of this:
And it appears as though it might not be exclusive to Rapid Slash:
The cutscenes that bookend the Vergil campaign take place prior to DMC3 (at least the intro does). Gameplay wise, he just goes through the entire normal campaign solo with no actual cutscenes
AlfredX1990
Banned
IIRC Trish in DMC2 controls similar to DMC1 Dante so it would make sense her being the most fun but that combo vid is not good, I don't see where you are getting that DMC2 has better combat than DMC1
DMC5
since vanilla dmc 4 is already the deepest combat game of all time
Special Edition DMC 4 takes it too a new level with Vergil, Lady, Trish..
when will this game ever be surpassed in that department
DMC5
RadioHammer500
Banned
since vanilla dmc 4 is already the deepest combat game of all time
Special Edition DMC 4 takes it too a new level with Vergil, Lady, Trish..
when will this game ever be surpassed in that department
Special Edition DMC 4 takes it too a new level with Vergil, Lady, Trish..
when will this game ever be surpassed in that department
My god that sheath animation swag
since vanilla dmc 4 is already the deepest combat game of all time
Special Edition DMC 4 takes it too a new level with Vergil, Lady, Trish..
when will this game ever be surpassed in that department
Ideally? In DMC5. C:
Again, I look at Lady, Trish and ESPECIALLY Vergil, and I see mere glimpses of what Itsuno and Neo_G have in store for us for "what's next".
This upcoming E3 -> TGS cycle could be the most exciting thing we've had in ages.
Well now I know what I'll be imitating for the next few days when no one is looking.
Indeed, it would be quite the understatement to say that 'they've still got it' with what they are doing in the SE.
Anyone else think that his team is very much ignoring anything PG has come up with? It's like their games might as well not exist or anything they came up with within them.
This is how I will be re-capping my pens for the foreseeable future
RadioHammer500
Banned
is it for sure that Itsuno will be directing DMC 5?
lmao
Nothing is for sure except the fact that we have no idea what he has been working on since finishing Dragon's Dogma in 2012. Someone else directed Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen and that same person is directing Dragon's Dogma Online. There is also no way that DMC4SE has been in the works for 3 years.
If there is a DMC5 in the works then it will be him and his team working on it no doubt.
Come on now, how would any of us know this for sure? A DMC5 hasn't even been announced.
But I think we can safely assume he most likely would. There's no one else that Capcom probably trusts at this point to handle the series. Unless they got Neo_G to flex his wings.
Hah, they should totally do this as a call back to that infamous DMC1 Japanese TV commercial.
PensivePen
Member
Didn't he work on that weird Dragon's Dogma mobile/PSP spinoff? I don't know if something like that would require his full attention but he does seem to be credited as its director. Even that though has been out since some time in 2013.
Yeah, for me, it's like 4SE is "CvSPro" (which, of course, Itsuno was involved in): Few new characters and fixes were added to the old game, but they were really meant to be a nice preview to the next definitive game. I'm ready for my mind to be blown.
Time will tell, but I think it's safe to presume that Itsuno+Neo_G are content to continue going their own way, which is just as fine and admirable.
But who knows? Maybe Lady's "rocket-jump" could be construed as a bit of a shout out to Bayo+Kilgore doing similar.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Honestly Itsuno and Neo G are doing more technical combat than Platinum with the absence of intrusive QTEs, mini-games, and the like, so them taking more notes from PG would probably homogenize things a bit too much.
RadioHammer500
Banned
well with the cutscene of Vergil walking by which many assume to be Nero's mother
that pretty much leads to the fact that DMC 5 will continue with Nero...
that pretty much leads to the fact that DMC 5 will continue with Nero...