I'd be okay with this.
Marvel's Daredevil |OT| Legally Blind *spoilers for all of S1*
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BobTheFork
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Just finished
I'm amazed. I wasn't interested until I saw the pilot last night. I just finished the season and DAMN was that fun to watch. It's like a decent season of law and order with wicked fight scenes.
First, I'm disappointed this is on netflix only because I wish I could have spent the week on GAF discussing each episode. It's almost hard to talk about after a bulk watch.
Liked Matt - no complaints at all. MAybe I didn't always love him but he was very, very good through the whole thing. Believable and that's what you need.
I thought I would sick of Foggy really fast but that never happened. I feel like I don't know much about Foggy from the comics but I liked what we got
I never expected Karen to be in the whole season but she was a good character and I liked her.
Great f'ing fights throughout, even when it's someone like Fisk who isn't a ninja
I'm certain I've missed the talk about him but can everyone at their computers just stand up for a moment for Vincent D'onofrio. He MADE this show, absolutely MADE it. I already can't imagine anyone else in the world in that role. Fisk's story, his arc, his humanity and often lack there of was just wonderful. His first date with Vanessa was so well done as was all his interaction with her.
All is subtlety his put into that performance. His nervousness, his ticks, his tears, his rage. Everything was amazing. FFS when Vanessa runs up and hugs him at breakfast and you see him kind of freeze and not know what to do with his hands...I marked out hard. He just spend the night with her but he's so used to eating alone he doesn't know how to handle it. Fisk as the man with everything and no one is a great choice. Seriously, I'm gushing here but I never thought they would get this kind of performances in a Daredevil show. The kind of determined and unstable emotion he showed put this show over the top.
The best show I've watched? no, but I loved every damned second and I can't wait to see more.
Again, it's almost a shame it gets bulk watched. All the best shows IMO are stewed over week to week and get people endlessly talking about the story.
I really didn't believe the hype. Outstanding
I'm amazed. I wasn't interested until I saw the pilot last night. I just finished the season and DAMN was that fun to watch. It's like a decent season of law and order with wicked fight scenes.
First, I'm disappointed this is on netflix only because I wish I could have spent the week on GAF discussing each episode. It's almost hard to talk about after a bulk watch.
Liked Matt - no complaints at all. MAybe I didn't always love him but he was very, very good through the whole thing. Believable and that's what you need.
I thought I would sick of Foggy really fast but that never happened. I feel like I don't know much about Foggy from the comics but I liked what we got
I never expected Karen to be in the whole season but she was a good character and I liked her.
Great f'ing fights throughout, even when it's someone like Fisk who isn't a ninja
I'm certain I've missed the talk about him but can everyone at their computers just stand up for a moment for Vincent D'onofrio. He MADE this show, absolutely MADE it. I already can't imagine anyone else in the world in that role. Fisk's story, his arc, his humanity and often lack there of was just wonderful. His first date with Vanessa was so well done as was all his interaction with her.
All is subtlety his put into that performance. His nervousness, his ticks, his tears, his rage. Everything was amazing. FFS when Vanessa runs up and hugs him at breakfast and you see him kind of freeze and not know what to do with his hands...I marked out hard. He just spend the night with her but he's so used to eating alone he doesn't know how to handle it. Fisk as the man with everything and no one is a great choice. Seriously, I'm gushing here but I never thought they would get this kind of performances in a Daredevil show. The kind of determined and unstable emotion he showed put this show over the top.
The best show I've watched? no, but I loved every damned second and I can't wait to see more.
Again, it's almost a shame it gets bulk watched. All the best shows IMO are stewed over week to week and get people endlessly talking about the story.
I really didn't believe the hype. Outstanding
CMojicaAce
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Just finished episode 13. That was a very good season!
Overall, I'd place it 3rd behind The Flash S1 and Arrow S2.
Overall, I'd place it 3rd behind The Flash S1 and Arrow S2.
Nostremitus
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So...
Daredevil totally helped Stick kill a baby Inhuman, right?
plasmawave
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Hey, no one told me Dicaprio had a cameo in this show.
No. Some sort of mystical thing. Nobu was from The Hand and they are magic not inhuman.
most of the talk in this thread was about how much he sucked, actually.
Ignatz Mouse
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Yeah, definitely a weak link for me-- both as actor, and his arc. By the end, it seemed like his fall was inevitable and anticlimatic.
Loved the show, but it was Charlie Cox who deserves the standing O, not Vince.
I just finished the season last night and I too really loved D'onofrio in the roll. He's not quite the Kingpin yet, and while giving him some sort of tragic past was a little cliche, I think it really worked. When he said he was the ill intent in the back of the FBI truck, I knew we's eventually have the Kingpin that wants to absolutely destroy Matt and watch him suffer. I think when he comes back he's going to be even more ruthless.
I don't think Kingpin was as bad for me as he was for a lot of people, it seems, but I definitely think he could have been better. I understood that Vincent was trying to make him socially awkward, which I think is a neat take on him, but he did seem like more of a wuss than a menace a lot of the time. It's not enough to just show him beat a dude's brains out (literally), you have to be able to sense the danger in him with nearly every moment he's on screen. But that wasn't there, which was disappointing. Somehow, Vanessa came off as more menacing than him most of the time.
Christopher
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This show is freaking awesome!!!!!!
Thirded
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fuckin' called it, man
Take a drink every time someone says "and here we are" or something similar.
BronsonLee
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So can we talk about how Karen being a fucking idiot has gotten like, four people killed
Let shit go, woman!
Let shit go, woman!
ISWThunder
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Loved the show, but did I miss something?
The whole moral conundrum of the last few episodes was about Matt's catholic guilt at the thought of killing Fisk. But didnt he set the Japanese guy (Nobu?) on fire and kill him?
The whole moral conundrum of the last few episodes was about Matt's catholic guilt at the thought of killing Fisk. But didnt he set the Japanese guy (Nobu?) on fire and kill him?
BronsonLee
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He did it by accident (his weapons got deflected into the light, setting him on fire), and Fisk showed up immediately after, so he didn't really have an opportunity to try and save him.
TheGreatDirector
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Yeaaah that's one of those things I kinda wanted to be brought back up again.
Yeah, it was an accident. Nobu's chain hit Matt's hand when he was about to throw the stick (@ 5:17: https://youtu.be/G4TJWBT77uA?t=5m17s)
ISWThunder
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Ill have to watch it again. I didnt think it was a complete accident, but not straight up murder.
Edit: Originally, I thought he threw somethung at the light. Didnt notice that he deflected the chain and it hit the light.
But they talk about what killing does to your soul and how it's a bridge that cant be uncrossed. He may not have run across it, but he definitely reached the otherside without showing much remorse.
BronsonLee
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To be honest, that was a kind of fight that only one person walks away from anyway.
please give me the source of your avatar
GuitarAtomik
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I'm not totally convinced that was an accident. Pretty sure he deliberately deflected it in to the light to spark it (he's shown a number of times, he's really good at accurate object trajectory). That said, there were a lot of circumstances in this fight that make it different from his moral conundrum on whether or not to kill Kingpin in the end:
- He was losing real bad. I think he realized this was a life or death situation and he was pretty firmly headed in the "death" direction so he didn't hold back.
- Being lit on fire isn't instant death. Hell Nobu tried to jump kick him right after it. As a desperate move, I'm sure he knew it could be a fatal action, but it's not like he shot him in the head.
- He admits later that he went to that warehouse with the intention of killing Fisk. It's just that he found Nobu instead.
That whole situation makes it different from the last fight with Kingpin where he's winning and has a choice in how to subdue him.
Nostremitus
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Oh, gotcha. So Dr Strange territory then? I want to believe that was connected to a larger story arc that will pay off later.
I kinda meant the artist
They were trying to self-contain as much of this season as possible. Unfortunately, that meant that they killed characters they probably shouldn't have.
BronsonLee
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Yeah they killed way too many people. WESLEY MY BRO
Leland got waaaay too cocky though. When he tazed Fisk and it just made him madder I just burst out laughing cause I knew his ass was dead
And I'll never tire of Fisk rolling out the armored van with all the swagger in the world
Leland got waaaay too cocky though. When he tazed Fisk and it just made him madder I just burst out laughing cause I knew his ass was dead
And I'll never tire of Fisk rolling out the armored van with all the swagger in the world
I thought the show was decent, but a couple things annoyed/disappointed me.
For one, the main villain was really cliched and seemed fairly incompetent. I don't know how many times I've seen the ruthless-deluded-psychopath-rich guy villain, but it's getting kind of dull. What I really would like is if the villain was a ruthless, successful business who was actually very cold and calculating. The outbursts of rage are pretty silly and it really makes me question how he got to be in charge of anything.
My bigger issue with the show is how repetitive it was. Towards the end, every episode was 10-15 minutes of Fisk talking about how he wanted to save this city, cut out the decay of this city, and other crap about "this city". Seriously after the first couple of times of listening to his little spiel, I understood it. No need to keep beating me over the head with it. The same thing goes for everyone warning Daredevil to not kill anyone; some dialogue happened in just about every episode of someone telling him not to become a monster or some bs. I understand that its a central theme to the show and all, but there is something to be said for subtlety. It started to become aggravating towards the end.
It also doesn't help that I think treating all killings as equally wrong to be a pretty childish, black-and-white view, and that it's a recurring view held in almost every single superhero show.
For one, the main villain was really cliched and seemed fairly incompetent. I don't know how many times I've seen the ruthless-deluded-psychopath-rich guy villain, but it's getting kind of dull. What I really would like is if the villain was a ruthless, successful business who was actually very cold and calculating. The outbursts of rage are pretty silly and it really makes me question how he got to be in charge of anything.
My bigger issue with the show is how repetitive it was. Towards the end, every episode was 10-15 minutes of Fisk talking about how he wanted to save this city, cut out the decay of this city, and other crap about "this city". Seriously after the first couple of times of listening to his little spiel, I understood it. No need to keep beating me over the head with it. The same thing goes for everyone warning Daredevil to not kill anyone; some dialogue happened in just about every episode of someone telling him not to become a monster or some bs. I understand that its a central theme to the show and all, but there is something to be said for subtlety. It started to become aggravating towards the end.
It also doesn't help that I think treating all killings as equally wrong to be a pretty childish, black-and-white view, and that it's a recurring view held in almost every single superhero show.
WrenchNinja
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Can I just say how awesome the intro is? Just nails all of the imagery of Daredevil, the statute of Lady Justice who you sort of think is supposed to be Daredevil at first, but then zooms out and shows her standing blindfolded with the scales, then you've got the buildings of hell's kitchen, the church and the angel, and then finally the Daredevil mask. It has this whole liquid candle look and is also evocative of the whole world on fire view Matt. Then to go along with the imagery you have the quiet piano. It's just such a great intro.
Oh yeah, first season was awesome. Though a little sad they just went and killed off Ben Urich. We'll never get to see him with Spider-Man. Oh well.
Oh yeah, first season was awesome. Though a little sad they just went and killed off Ben Urich. We'll never get to see him with Spider-Man. Oh well.
It's Marvel's idea to kill him.
captjohnboyd
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I too had some problems with the show after just finishing it. I loved the first several episodes (and the intro as a poster above pointed out) but it began to lose it's way after a bit.
I can stand ham fisted, childish dialogue on a show like flash because it never takes itself too seriously and is seemingly only trying to bring a comic to the screen with as little change as possible.
On something like daredevil that purports to be a more mature show the relationships between characters and how they spoke just felt forced at times. At other times it was written as if it was a teenagers idea of what "dark and gritty" is supposed to be not what it actually is.
The fights and stunts were top tier in the beginning but really fell off after the Nobu fight. I mean that scene where he was chasing after the limo carrying the Chinese drug courier was laughably bad. Completely took me out of the moment. And don't even get me started on the costume. Epic levels of trash.
On the whole though I enjoyed it flaws and all and I have the utmost faith that they'll quickly recover from these trip ups in the second season, costume included.
It was a stupid idea IMO. I don't think oh look the MCU is do edgy and no one is safe, I think that's a fucking stupid and now your hands are kinda tied with potential story lines. Now I know, they could have a dedicated reporter that can be Ben Urich in everything but name, they can even make this dude the biggest trenchcoat-wearing chain smoker not named Constantine and they can call him Ben Elrich but it's just not the same. We know that Daredevil, foggy and kingpin won't be killled off though if Karen makes it past season 3 I'll be shocked. Hell I'll wouldnt be shocked if Karen Page doesn't last all of season 2
Loved the show but they really shouldn't have killed off Urich. The actor that played him killed it and I would have loved to see more of him. Maybe bleeding into the other Netflix shows.
And was anyone else disappointed that they didn't do the Foggy and Karen pairing? It seemed like they would until the very end. I thought they had good chemistry together.
And was anyone else disappointed that they didn't do the Foggy and Karen pairing? It seemed like they would until the very end. I thought they had good chemistry together.
I just (finally) finished the finale episode. It's pretty weak, and given the quality of this and the other episode Stephen DeKnight directed this season, maybe it's for the best that he's not coming back next season.
The final battle has the kind of choreography and editing that is the complete antithesis of what this show tried to do early on, and what greatness it achieved. To think it would end in such a bland final showdown is just sad. Fast cuts in lieu of long, confident shots make an already unexciting final sequence even worse, and it also failed to capitalize on Matt's enhanced senses. That's the greatest failure I could think of for a climactic fight between Daredevil and Kingpin. It could not have been worse.
Okay, some smalls niggling bits I don't want to spend too much space on:
- Killing Ben was stupid
- Killing Leland was also stupid
- Killing Wesley was unfortunate, the actor who played him was great. Very charismatically smarmy.
- The red suit is ugly as all heck and somehow makes Matt's/Charlie's movements look stiff and restricted, as if it was holding him back.
This season ends with a whimper.
The final battle has the kind of choreography and editing that is the complete antithesis of what this show tried to do early on, and what greatness it achieved. To think it would end in such a bland final showdown is just sad. Fast cuts in lieu of long, confident shots make an already unexciting final sequence even worse, and it also failed to capitalize on Matt's enhanced senses. That's the greatest failure I could think of for a climactic fight between Daredevil and Kingpin. It could not have been worse.
Okay, some smalls niggling bits I don't want to spend too much space on:
- Killing Ben was stupid
- Killing Leland was also stupid
- Killing Wesley was unfortunate, the actor who played him was great. Very charismatically smarmy.
- The red suit is ugly as all heck and somehow makes Matt's/Charlie's movements look stiff and restricted, as if it was holding him back.
This season ends with a whimper.
Loved the show, but god, that suit. Everything seems to be going great, then suddenly Matt shows up in that... thing, complete with the
and all credibility goes straight out the window. The biggest problem is the mask, which
None of it gels with the tone of everything that came before.
I thought everything else about the show was great though (except them killing
), so I'm looking forward to a second season.
fancy new rod weapon
a) is clearly way, way too detailed and finely made to be the result of some mentally challenged man working out of a old garage, and b) just bloody ugly, complete with weird eye-cutouts and horns.
I thought everything else about the show was great though (except them killing
my boy Wesley
Thank you
Didnt see your post till now man, sorry.
WanderingWind
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That same guy was making Kevlar Armani suits. Pretty sure making those was more challenging than a mask.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/daredevil-season-2-spoilers-steven-791283
Steven DeKnight talks about season 1, and possible connections to Iron Fist.
Steven DeKnight talks about season 1, and possible connections to Iron Fist.
I'd be okay with this.
I was sad when Ben died, but I was probably more upset/annoyed that they killed Wesley.. haha. I thought he was an interesting character and wanted to know more about his friendship with Fisk.
Been avoiding this thread for fear of spoilers but I thought it was pretty solid as a first season. I also didn't mind the suit either.
But one thing I'm not sure of is the Asian boss. Was that old lady an inhuman? The way she hit Murdock and sent him flying made it seem like she was super powered. And she told Leland that she was going somewhere much farther away than China. Made it seem like she was an inhuman or something.
But one thing I'm not sure of is the Asian boss. Was that old lady an inhuman? The way she hit Murdock and sent him flying made it seem like she was super powered. And she told Leland that she was going somewhere much farther away than China. Made it seem like she was an inhuman or something.
BattleMonkey
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Loved it, one thing that bugs me is the final suit mask, it just looks odd, like it's too pointed with how they gave it angles on the sides and pointy nose.
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