Wolf Akela
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I'm really not a fan of Vergil using Million Stabs. It feels much more like a Dante move because of the sugar rush feel to it.
His coat also looks too rubbery.
His coat also looks too rubbery.
Devil May Cry 4 SE: Vergil, Trish & Lady Playable, Release Date 18th of June
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Yeah, makes the move way more interesting than the DMC3 version, especially since it can be used in the air.
Right, I'm just saying that the method of input in DMC4 was kind of a one step forward, two steps back situation to me. I like the Just Frames, but don't like the moves being tied to charge levels(although I do think it's a nifty idea that should just be reworked).
direct_quote
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Man Vergil looks sick. His animations are quite well done (minus the lazy copy pasted moves).
Even the copy/pasted moves are tweaked, some heavily so.
yeah both that and the jetstream animation look really weird on vergil. they feel super out of character since they're both really... wild/crazy kinda moves rather than clean, focused strikes or whatever
On the subject of lazy copy pasted moves(of which there are very few, imo), I think it's kinda weird that they changed Force Edge's combo. It starts the same, but then it just goes into Dante's Combo B, which just seems weird.
Which reminds me of the fact that he has Dante's recovery animation, which looks a little weird on him too. Dante's recovery animation was fitting for Dante, since it had a cocky "well I just took a big hit, not bad but no big deal, I'll shrug it off" sort of vibe to it. Don't think Vergil would be that chill/cocky if he got knocked on his ass. Hismotivation concentration would be knocked all the way down, after all, and he'd probably be pissed about that.
Then again, Vergil shouldn't technically be knocked on his ass in the first place.
I can forgive Million Stabs since it's a fairly controlled, smooth move, but the Jet Stream-ish one is definitely the most "out-of-character" move for Vergil... barring the ending, which is okay.
Which reminds me of the fact that he has Dante's recovery animation, which looks a little weird on him too. Dante's recovery animation was fitting for Dante, since it had a cocky "well I just took a big hit, not bad but no big deal, I'll shrug it off" sort of vibe to it. Don't think Vergil would be that chill/cocky if he got knocked on his ass. His
Then again, Vergil shouldn't technically be knocked on his ass in the first place.
the big thing is the ender, with the one handed stab ("BREAKDOWN!")
it's very much a kind of carefree flourish
like, vergil's million slashes or whatever has a similar concept but the ender (iirc?) is a very clean slash
PensivePen
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I don't think Jet Stream is too odd a move for Vergil. It reminds me a bit of this particular moment from the prologue of DMC3SE.
That's Rapid Slash just slowed down so you can see the slashes he is doing while dashing forward.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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Yeah looking really good, but can't wait for Trish.
BumblebeeCody
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Last night was pretty damn hype! So much to takeaway. So glad it's Gregaman playing since he knows his stuff. The jump height on Vergil's Dive Kick is so goood! Basically Tiger Knee.
He can do it an inch off the ground. It's hilarious.
I feel the same way. I think Million Stab is just better suited to Dante as an exclusive move. I'd feel fine about it if Vergil had his own spin to it somehow, like DahBomb suggested before, but it looks pretty much the same.
Lunar Phase and certain other moves are way fancier with him than with Dante. Even in DMC3 his Beowulf seemed fancier with that up kicks combo etc.
So I don't think it's unusual for him to have something like Jet Stream, just means that he likes to let it rip as well.
Just watched the stream and saw that Vergil's Yamato Combos are different when in DT, similar to the DT in DMC2. From here on out Vergil is my main and I'm never gonna play Dante or Nero again in DMC4.
Agreed. Vergil in DMC3 was all about precise, hard-hitting attacks. Now he's flailing about like both Dante and Nero, which takes away from his character, I feel.
Agreed. Vergil in DMC3 was all about precise, hard-hitting attacks. Now he's flailing about like both Dante and Nero, which takes away from his character, I feel.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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He is a Son of Sparda after all.
I'm already torn between Vergil and one of the ladies.
If Vergil has an EX Outfit that makes him Cursed Vergil with Nelo Angelo as his DT...I'd be sold out.
They've said there might be some minor tweaking, but we don't know yet. We can ask more substantive questions during Gregaman's Capcom-Unity stream, but Dante's going to be mostly the same. The only change that people have noticed is the universal change to Speed where it activates quicker, but that's for everyone.
Omg yes
I shit my pants when I realized the Nelo Angelo DT was playable in DMC3.
Goddamn I want a DMC3SE Re-remake for PS4
Doesn't Vergil have that two hit kick that acts as a launcher anyway? Why not just use that?
That'd be neat to have. There's a lot of potential for their optional costumes.
Also, I'm still hoping we'll see DmC variants. I'd love to see what OG Dante and Vergil would look like with their reboot outfits.
You mean Rising Sun? He doesn't have that anymore.
Chaos2Frozen
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Do we have youtube of the stream?
Chaos2Frozen
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Ah thanks!
Wait what? That move was cool as hell. What are you doing Itsuno!
With a DmC outfit Vergil would jump from main to super main. DmC Dante would be hilarious for all the delicious tears.
Yep. Don't worry though because Trish has both Lunar Phase and Rising Sun, lol.
If he just got the jacket, it would be amazing. I always liked this fan art depicting main series Vergil with the DmC clothing:
It's like one part classic Vergil, one part Hajime Saito.
If they were in there, then nobody would be forcing you to use them. They're just options, no harm in that.
Speak for yourself, I thought the DmC costumes looked great. Especially Vergil. That my favorite visual look the character had.
Just the jacket like the fan art would be max swag. For me it would be second to having the original Makoto Tsuchibayashi design for Vergil. Funnily enough I'm the one who originally posted that fan art. It seems to have become sort of like a thing. Now it's one of the top image results for Vergil, lol. It's the power of GAF.
I'd have to look at them while scrolling through to the far better costumes. Fair's fair. They forced us to pay for classic DMC costumes in vanilla DmC. Force DmC fans to pay for those costumes in DMC.
DmC Vergil's coat is way better than DmC Dante's, though.
Chaos2Frozen
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"Not a lot of people make these games and even fewer do it right."
Lol.
Lol.
It's very true for this genre though.
There's just Capcom, PG and maybe Team Ninja.
I would use DmC Vergil costume in DMC4. Especially if it's the Super Saiyan Vergil costume.
Chaos2Frozen
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Is Team Ninja out of the Ninja Gaiden business and sticking to only DOA? They haven't done anything after Z...
To be totally fair, DLC is a very common practice now, moreso than it was in 2008. DmC was a new game in 2013, so of course they'd have DLC options. Plus, they're not gonna charge for costumes in a seven year old game. You just don't do that, especially when the game is marketed as a complete and suped up version of DMC4.
Though you can bet your bottom dollar that a DMC5 WILL have costume or other forms of DLC.
I'm sure they're working on a new Ninja Gaiden. The next game will either make or break the entire series. Few developers have an opportunity to rebound after a giant mistake like NG3.
There already are DLC costumes for DMC4SE in the form of DMC3 Lady and Gloria, so I don't think this "seven year old game" thing holds much water. They're pre-order bonuses for Japan, but they're there. And their distribution method is unconfirmed in the west.
DmC had non-DLC alternate costumes. They just wanted to nickel and dime DMC fans.
AgentLampshade
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DmC's Vergil coat would be cool, as long as they get rid of pocketwatch, fedora and using Yamato as a cane. That shit looked silly. DmC Dante in DMC4s version would get laughed out a bar.
The fedora is gone from the DmC DE, so there's no chance we'll be seeing it in the future.
The pre-order bonus costumes are only there to entice you to buy the product early. They're charging a separate price for them.
When I say DLC, I mean extra paid-content. And from the looks of it, there isn't any of that here, as the Gloria/Lady DMC3 costumes are purely pre-order incentives that will be released later in some form. We don't know. The reason why we haven't heard of anything from the western release, and the costumes, is because they still haven't announced the release date for the West yet.
And again, I do believe that if a DMC5 happens, then Capcom will 'nickle and dime' DMC fans all the same.
I'm not suggesting they won't have DLC costumes in DMC5. That's a given. There will mostly likely be a mix. What I'm suggesting is that in DmC they made a conscientious effort to specifically target DMC fans knowing that they did not want to play as the default characters.
direct_quote
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Especially with Vergil, could easily be a pre-order incentive for his campaign (like DmC)..