Yup, let's be honest the only reason they were called a "black ops" team is because the writers thought it would sound cooler to kids watching the show.
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Yup, let's be honest the only reason they were called a "black ops" team is because the writers thought it would sound cooler to kids watching the show.
PhoncipleBone
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So it will lose its effectiveness over time and repeated use? Makes sense.
At least not gonna beat around the bush with last week's revelation
I wondered
if wells would ever show off the glowing red eyes without the mask on. Nice to know they're jumping into Iris knowing about it fairly quickly.
Septimus Prime
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To be fair, that show would have sucked if it was all stealth and intrigue. Superboy beating the shit out of Bane and going all Fist of the North Star on Mammoth are some of its best moments.
Does Iris just walk into STAR Labs again? You think they'd have a passcode at least.
How come Barry doesn't get cool glowy eyes like RF?
I can't believe how hyped I am for the last few episodes.
I was sure in S1 all we'd get of Grodd was him telepathically using human beings to taunt Barry and they'd save the full Grodd reveal until S2. This show just loves going for things that they should not have the budget for and pulling them off...
The Technomancer
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The one way they can redeem all of the Iris stuff is if they're deliberately building it up to be awful so that it completely blows up in Barry and Joe's faces
you sound..... frustrated
Poodlestrike
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Honestly, I don't see it going any other way than a catastrophe; she's gonna be pissed, and rightly so.
Watch everybody get pissed at her and call her unreasonable for being upset.
Nabs
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TheGreatDirector
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Goddamn it's really happening.
Fixed,
Poodlestrike
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Yeah if she understandably gets mad over it you'll see people calling her a terrible character and calling her annoying for getting upset. The only time she's really been out of line was when she got mad at eddie for not telling her every little thing ever.
Yeah, all the men in her life conspire to keep important shit from her because they think it'll protect her and it should make her mad.
TheGreatDirector
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He's kidnapped him.
And now he's going to kidnap me.
OH MY GRODD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Razgriz-Specter
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And I love every minute of it. DC just nailing the TV Show aspect lately. Makes me hope they bring some of the TV cast over to the movie universe, would be a nice consistency and they could use the TV show to work on story for next movies.
Messypandas
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It'd be pretty cool if they gave Barry this suit capability.
Its pretty unique and fun.
AoS has shown that this is a bad idea. It limits what the shows can do, and it's a logistic nightmare if you want any meaningful connections between the two mediums.
Spiritreaver
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Yeah the CG accomplishments in this show have been incredible.
It's kind of a buzzkill when I go to SHIELD after watching this show and seeing its pitiful attempts. If they can even be called attempts. A lot of stuff in that show is dialed down due to budget which is a bummer considering the current arc.
It's kind of a buzzkill when I go to SHIELD after watching this show and seeing its pitiful attempts. If they can even be called attempts. A lot of stuff in that show is dialed down due to budget which is a bummer considering the current arc.
Well, I am. There are so few well written female characters in comic shows and adding to the fact that there are few in the first place, we barely have one per series. They mostly seem to becthere to act as love interest, sex objects and be the token female. And it works, seeing a lot of the creepy thirsty posts in Arrow and Flash GAF especially. Why would a woman need a personality or a dignified role if she has legs?
It's frustrating alright.
BKatastrophe
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They never explicitly call them black ops. It's just the basic gist of it. Since they're lesser known compared to the main Leaguers, they can get away with a lot more small time stuff. Go fairly unnoticed by comparison.
Initially, anyway. That fell away pretty quick.
She made Ollie so clear-headed that he got super brainwashed and tried to kill his loved ones. It's already starting to lose effect.
A couple cool stealth missions that were actually stealthy would have been nice. Then again, there was some hardcore undercover shit that was going on.
No thanks. Flash and Arrow have been able to do so much more without being beholden to a cinematic universe. You think Shield will have a huge impact on the Inhumans movie? No, it'll be ignored. The TV shows may not have completely free reign with characters and story lines but it's a hell of a lot more than what a shared universe. I'm still sad that Daredevil felt the need to make cheap MCU shout outs when it was strong enough to go solo. And I like that Agent Carter was set in the 40s so it could pick and choose what elements to expand upon rather than be reactionary to the movies.
I mean I'd love for Amell to cameo in the Justice League just for style points. They probably aren't in a rush to make a Green Arrow. But narratively I think it would hurt the TV shows. And no idea how they would explain two Barry Allens. Multiverse?
Razgriz-Specter
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But that is still true of the CW shows.
WB won't even let them say Gotham City or Metropolis.
At least if they were connected we would know these things actually exist outside the show.
Arrow for example would provide some excellent background and filler for BvsS Batman.
On the other hand it puts CW Green Arrow, Deathstroke, etc in the movies and actually makes them bigger than they could be.
For me it would also make this shit Ra's al ghul plot on Arrow work much better.
You cast some secondary movie characters like Nightwing, Batgirl, Robin, etc on TV level(they don't need to be draws in these types of movies) and have them show up on the CW shows with Nightwing going to his own show.
This is a good thing.
Besides, Arrow and Flash actually have continuity and an organic friendship that has been built over time. This isn't the MCU where 'they're friends' is told, not shown. We see them team up, we see them work separately, we see how both of them have different cities and how their methods differ when they visit the others cities -- stuff the MCU doesn't go into, at all.
There's so many great little touches (news bulletins, shout-outs, cameos) in the CW-verse that the MCU just doesn't have.
They wouldn't be allowed to use Ra's al Ghul at all if it was in a cinematic universe. And what is saying Metropolis or Gotham going to do for the show? It would be a cheap shoutout. Captain America got a mention on Daredevil but he'll never show up. It adds nothing. The creative team have said they actually want to follow through on easter eggs. That Grodd cage in the pilot? About to be fulfilled. Hawkgirl in the paper? Coming next year. Does hearing a character say "Superman" really make it worth having to use B or C tier villains for the show's entire run and unable to have events that make a real impact on the shared world? No, it's not. Flash and Arrow will have events that impact each other because they fucking can and it's glorious.
Also we know Bruce Wayne exists in the Arrowverse anyway. Which was kind of a silly shoutout to begin with, I don't think the showrunners will do that again.
Septimus Prime
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We know his company exists, as well as Kord Industries. But since there's been some fuckery with the timeline, and these shows might themselves be set in some alt universe, who knows?
Razgriz-Specter
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Na I just think WB isn't planning on using Ra's again for a good long time so they don't have him protected.
Ra's is the only major Batman villain WB absolutely won't use in the near future since he was the focus of the Nolan series and was covered well.
Talia has a better shot at being done again and she hasn't been mentioned at all on Arrow, they even took her evil minor forgettable sister from the comic and transplanted her into a Talia like role.
Though I admit im liking Arrow Nyssa more than I ever liked Talia in any medium.
Suicide Squad movie also got
Deadshot killed off on Arrow
How about Reverse Flash? Gorilla Grodd? The two biggest Flash villains with Flash getting his own movie. We probably wouldn't have a Flash TV show at all.
But if Supergirl is happening in the Arrowverse, then we'll know that Superman also exists. And to be fair, they're letting the Arrowverse continue to use Deathstroke if they so choose despite him being in Suicide Squad. Plus WB removed all restrictions on Flash characters for the CW show, despite Flash getting a movie in a few years.
As for Daredevil, it's actually in the MCU, so Daredevil could show up in a movie (but not the other way around due to contracts, money, & whatnot). Marvel's character useage in shows & movies is completely different from DC's. If he wanted to, Jeremy Renner could be Hawkeye on Agents of SHIELD.
This is why I think DC crossing their TV and movie universes could work, because they actually give a damn about all the small intricate backstory filler and actually getting teams together to fight. AoS is what it is because Marvel don't really care to make it better, whereas DC has the opposite with CW getting some pretty crazy rights to go nuts and do what they can with the TV shows.
Also having consistency in actors would help a lot. It would cut down on confusion of why we suddenly have a "new" Flash/Arrow/Supergirl actor and it lets the audience grow attached to their characters outside of yearly films. Stories can be worked on in the TV universe that the movies may not be able to fully flesh out. Movies can be used as the big events, like Batman vs Superman.
Of course this could all backfire like it did with AoS and just turn into a pile of poop where Arrow/Flash/Supergirl barely evolve their story because they don't want to push too much. But that is entirely up to how DC handles it, and if they do go the way of using the TV universe to help structure and prepare viewers for the movies I reckon it could be crazy good.
PreFire
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It will be pretty shitty if Iris gets mad for Barry not telling her he's the flash.
Her father, who Barry respects and is a father figure to him, begged him not to tell her. And he didn't. She figured it out.
This bitch (sorry but it's true) has anger issues. Breaking up with Eddie because of secrets. So I hope she understands why Joe and Barry never told her (in this timeline).
Those of you defending her are hilarious. He did it to protect her. The same way almost every super hero does.. They don't tell their loved ones their secret about being a superhero.
If she gets overly mad and holds a grudge, I officially give up on her. Like who the fuck are you? Us Growing up together and me being in love with you makes it all so much harder to tell you I'm the fucking flash. I hate people who feel like they must know everything about someone and when they don't that relationship goes sideways.
Her father, who Barry respects and is a father figure to him, begged him not to tell her. And he didn't. She figured it out.
This bitch (sorry but it's true) has anger issues. Breaking up with Eddie because of secrets. So I hope she understands why Joe and Barry never told her (in this timeline).
Those of you defending her are hilarious. He did it to protect her. The same way almost every super hero does.. They don't tell their loved ones their secret about being a superhero.
If she gets overly mad and holds a grudge, I officially give up on her. Like who the fuck are you? Us Growing up together and me being in love with you makes it all so much harder to tell you I'm the fucking flash. I hate people who feel like they must know everything about someone and when they don't that relationship goes sideways.
And that would be meaningful because it's a big part of her lore. And that we can even have a Flash show is because the movies and TV are separate.
But Renner won't be. The TV shows are always going to be second fiddle. At best Shield got Fury and Sif. I've mentioned before that I don't think Daredevil benefits from being in the MCU other than for marketing purposes.
lmao
Messypandas
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Yeah and Whedon had no consideration for AOS when he wrote AOU
It makes little sense tying such distinct and erratic formats together. Just let them go crazy with their own ideas.
It makes little sense tying such distinct and erratic formats together. Just let them go crazy with their own ideas.
Septimus Prime
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She was picking a fight with Eddie because she was in love with Barry and can't reconcile those feelings. Maybe she was hoping they'd break up over it. It's still sucky thing to do, for sure, but it's not coming from out of nowhere.
Razgriz-Specter
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Flash is a weird case, show was a go before the movie was locked in.
You are definitely going to see character restrictions closer to the movie, thats why we are getting all the big guns now.
I guarantee either Reverse Flash or Grodd wont appear at all that year if they are in the Flash movie.
lol@ this ontd copy pasteYeah and Whedon had no consideration for AOS when he wrote AOU
It makes little sense tying such distinct and erratic formats together. Just let them go crazy with their own ideas.
But by the time Flash was greenlit it was already established that the TV universe would be separate.
There's no real question about it: if the TV and film universes were connected there would be a lot more restrictions. The worst we've had so far is probably Deadshot.
Messypandas
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The capitalised words makes it!
Are we still talking about Iris?
krypt0nian
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So hyped for "Legends" The Flash shows they know how to do full balls to the wall COMIC BOOK episodes. I'm hoping the crazier rumors are true for MCU next TV venture and that they will also join us in the sun.
AoS is frankly boring to me, and I love SHIELD. They don't do it the way I'd prefer and instead it feels like overhyped episodes of ALIAS.
BRING ME SUPERHEROES!
AoS is frankly boring to me, and I love SHIELD. They don't do it the way I'd prefer and instead it feels like overhyped episodes of ALIAS.
BRING ME SUPERHEROES!
I'm more excited for the eventual team up of all the heroes in some big 3 night crossover. They could create some truly incredible stuff.
Deadstarone
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ugh, weekends are the worst. I NEED FLASH IN MY VEINS.
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