MAYWEATHER VS. PACQUIAO Official May 2nd

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Mik317 said:
This fight sold crazy numbers and there are actual national TV fights and stuff.

It isn't what it used to be but it is getting better.
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This fight is irrelevant. It's like people who keep thinking world cup audiences will stick around to watch MLS games, not gonna happen buddy. At least the world cup is exciting to people too. The twitter backlash and ESPN reaction shows people feel ripped off and rightfully so.

Boxing is clearly dead in the mainstream american's eyes and all it has now is fooling people every half decade with hyped up shambles like the one tonight.
 
BadAss2961 said:
Manny tried to be aggressive and was hitting nothing but air for the most of the fight. Manny's speed was supposed to be a problem, but it wasn't. Floyd landed many clean shots which made Manny have to respect him (Floyd does this to everyone), and the jab was there all night.
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None of this actually has anything to do with what I said. If you want the reasoning for my opinion.. scroll up a bit as I wrote it in response to Irish.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
This fight is irrelevant. It's like people who keep thinking world cup audiences will stick around to watch MLS games, not gonna happen buddy. At least the world cup is exciting to people too. The twitter backlash and ESPN reaction shows people feel ripped off and rightfully so.

Boxing is clearly dead in the mainstream american's eyes and all it has now is fooling people every half decade with hyped up shambles like the one tonight.
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Didn't you put 2 grand on Manny? You shouldn't have done that.
 
Why are so many people so smug about a terrible human being winning this fight?

Floyd won fair and square but the fact that so many of you are revelling in calling out "salty" Pac fans is really sad.
 
AShep said:
Why are so many people so smug about a terrible human being winning this fight?
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sometimes you root for the bad guy

sometimes you follow a sport and don't follow/give a shit what the person does outside their job
see also: entertainers in most fields
 
Jest Chillin said:
None of this actually has anything to do with what I said. If you want the reasoning for my opinion.. scroll up a bit as I wrote it in response to Irish.
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You're saying Manny would've been more aggressive. I'm telling you he tried to be aggressive but was completely nullified by Floyd's defense, jab, and counter punching. The same shit many experts were saying would happened to him over the past several years.

If you're saying Manny should've fought recklessly, he probably would've gotten knocked out.
 
what are the rules on clinching? do they not take points away for that shit? or taking points away for not engaging. i mean this IS a combat sport
 
Rubenov said:
Meh, you got paid for those 3 hours. Some people actually paid for those... a lot.
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Point is the same, it was a total waste of time. I don't care if you support either guy or you're neutral or you put money on it or you paid 100 dolalrs for PPV. Total waste of time and another reminder of why nobody cares about boxing. At least when I casually watch the baseball playoffs and world series I get pretty exciting and entertaining experiences out of it. Despite baseball losing popularity.
 
BadAss2961 said:
You're saying Manny would've been more aggressive. I'm telling you he tried to be aggressive but was completely nullified by Floyd's defense, jab, and counter punching. The same shit many experts were saying would happened to him over the past several years.

If you're saying Manny should've fought recklessly, he probably would've gotten knocked out.
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I'm saying your statement of "Manny tried to be aggressive (tonight)" has no bearing on 5 years ago. There's a number of different factors that change with that. Mosely wouldn't have happened and Maidana 1 wouldn't have happened for Mayweather and JMM4 wouldn't have happened for Pacquiao. Each fighter would've been at a different place entirely in terms of the emotional and mental states.

It could've been better for Pacquiao, the same, or worse. I think the most likely scenarios are same or better simply because May wouldn't have had those wake up moments from Mosely and Maidana.
 
Chichikov said:
Personal preference are personal preference, and again, I get why people enjoy a crazy slugfests (I enjoy them too), but if you care about boxing at all (or any martial arts for that matter) I think you got to appreciate the defensive clinic that PBF put tonight.

Like that shit -
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This is not impressive to you?
Are you not entertained?
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Moments like this are awesome but they came few and far in between in this fight. Most of it was Floyd throwing out a jab from optimal range and dancing while Pacquiao flailed impotently. Yes, a very impressive performance, but for the most part one-sided and dull.
 
IrishNinja said:
given that i enjoy the beatles and dr. dre's music, it's hard to say i lose sleep over their works
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A lot of people who bring up Floyd's past with regards to beating his wife have been really hypocritical because I'm sure they don't call out other wifebeaters with such verocity but I guess since they hate floyd so much it's ok in their minds.
 
Mayweather and Pacquiao ducked each other for several years, to say that it was completely dictated by Mayweather is really disingenuous. Both of them avoided this confrontation until it was beneficial for both of them. Pacquiao became incredibly flexible an allowed Mayweather to have whatever he wanted because, well, he had to. Both of them have substantial gambling problems, but Manny got in far deeper than Floyd, and its not like losing to Mayweather would significantly tarnish his legacy as it stood.

Boxing has become boring because the participants have become smarter. They dictate the terms of how they compete, and aren't at the beck and call of management teams because they're too stupid to run their own shit. Its a shame? that boxing is no longer about unleashing two angry animals to smash at each other in the middle of the ring, watching their faces deteriorate as people bray for blood, with no thought for the neurological trauma they're sustaining, but all good things come to an end.
 
『Inaba Resident』;162531913 said:
Honestly, it's not relevant to the boxing match.
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Yeah but it's kinda relevant when you take the stance of "lolol stay mad u salty haters"

Respect his skills in the ring, fine, but being joyful about it is sad.
 
King Tubby said:
Moments like this are awesome but they came few and far in between in this fight. Most of it was Floyd throwing out a jab from optimal range and dancing while Pacquiao flailed impotently. Yes, a very impressive performance, but for the most part one-sided and dull.
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for posterity: i don't disagree with anything in this post

ISOM said:
A lot of people who bring up Floyd's past with regards to beating his wife have been really hypocritical because I'm sure they don't call out other wifebeaters with such verocity but I guess since they hate floyd so much it's ok in their minds.
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yeah, that's pretty much been my assumption forever now, too - can't fault his skill, let's bring in some irrelevant character stuff

AShep said:
Respect his skills in the ring, fine, but being joyful about it is sad.
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if you're a fan of the sport, and you respect his skills, then you simply recognize he earned it...it's just that, really
trying to make him a paper champ for random reasons here - his defensive game/style, his shitty persona life, etc doesn't do anyone any favors
 
2 Slice Toaster said:
Mayweather and Pacquiao ducked each other for several years, to say that it was completely dictated by Mayweather is really disingenuous. Both of them avoided this confrontation until it was beneficial for both of them. Pacquiao became incredibly flexible an allowed Mayweather to have whatever he wanted because, well, he had to. Both of them have substantial gambling problems, but Manny got in far deeper than Floyd, and its not like losing to Mayweather would significantly tarnish his legacy as it stood.
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Umm hmm. Manny made out better this time taking 40% rather than a flat 40 mill... also this is the first I've heard of Manny having a gambling problem. He has tax problems, sure.. but never heard of gambling ones.
 
AShep said:
The guy is a cunt who beats women. That means nothing to you?
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Don't focus on the narrative. Additionally the holistic interconnectedness of everything needs to stop. The man went to prison and had stayed relatively out of trouble. I don't know him personally and neither do. Professionally he is a 48-0 boxer. An accomplishment that far exceeds name calling in a thread. Additionally you may not admit but his success was not easy he was an Olympian.
 
2 Slice Toaster said:
Mayweather and Pacquiao ducked each other for several years, to say that it was completely dictated by Mayweather is really disingenuous. Both of them avoided this confrontation until it was beneficial for both of them. Pacquiao became incredibly flexible an allowed Mayweather to have whatever he wanted because, well, he had to. Both of them have substantial gambling problems, but Manny got in far deeper than Floyd, and its not like losing to Mayweather would significantly tarnish his legacy as it stood.

Boxing has become boring because the participants have become smarter. They dictate the terms of how they compete, and aren't at the beck and call of management teams because they're too stupid to run their own shit. Its a shame? that boxing is no longer about unleashing two angry animals to smash at each other in the middle of the ring, watching their faces deteriorate as people bray for blood, with no thought for the neurological trauma they're sustaining, but all good things come to an end.
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This is a good post. Agreed, especially about the second paragraph.
 
2 Slice Toaster said:
Mayweather and Pacquiao ducked each other for several years, to say that it was completely dictated by Mayweather is really disingenuous. Both of them avoided this confrontation until it was beneficial for both of them. Pacquiao became incredibly flexible an allowed Mayweather to have whatever he wanted because, well, he had to. Both of them have substantial gambling problems, but Manny got in far deeper than Floyd, and its not like losing to Mayweather would significantly tarnish his legacy as it stood.

Boxing has become boring because the participants have become smarter. They dictate the terms of how they compete, and aren't at the beck and call of management teams because they're too stupid to run their own shit. Its a shame? that boxing is no longer about unleashing two angry animals to smash at each other in the middle of the ring, watching their faces deteriorate as people bray for blood, with no thought for the neurological trauma they're sustaining, but all good things come to an end.
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That's all well and good, but fighters and/or promoters should have ZERO say in who refs the fight, who judges the fight, what reporters cover the fight, what kind of jock the other fighter is wearing, etc etc. Tom Brady doesn't choose the officials of his games.
 
Jest Chillin said:
I'm saying your statement of "Manny tried to be aggressive (tonight)" has no bearing on 5 years ago. There's a number of different factors that change with that. Mosely wouldn't have happened and Maidana 1 wouldn't have happened for Mayweather and JMM4 wouldn't have happened for Pacquiao. Each fighter would've been at a different place entirely in terms of the emotional and mental states.

It could've been better for Pacquiao, the same, or worse. I think the most likely scenarios are same or better simply because May wouldn't have had those wake up moments from Mosely and Maidana.
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Mayweather is a defensive fighter. He didn't need wake up moments to continue being a defensive fighter.

There's really nothing Manny had back then that he doesn't have now which would've made a difference in this fight.
 
2 Slice Toaster said:
http://www.sbnation.com/longform/20...y-pacquiao-vs-brandon-rios-fight-2013-profile

Manny has(had?) plenty of problems.
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First I've read of this and it's only mentions from the writer of "reportedly" gambling. Hard to confirm.

BadAss2961 said:
Mayweather is a defensive fighter. He didn't need wake up moments to continue being a defensive fighter.

There's really nothing Manny had back then that he doesn't have now which would've made a difference in this fight.
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He most definitely needed those wake up moments to take opposition seriously. Hell in the Mosely fight he was seriously gifted by Kenny Bayless not breaking the two handed hold he had on Mosely's right hand the first time he got rocked.

He also obviously underestimated Maidana in their first fight as well and corrected for the second fight.

I think you keep looking at the stats on paper and aren't giving nearly enough credit to the mental game necessary to perform at that level. How do you think Hopkins had such success for so long? It sure as hell wasn't his physical performance.
 
Jest Chillin said:
He most definitely needed those wake up moments to take opposition seriously. Hell in the Mosely fight he was seriously gifted by Kenny Bayless not breaking the two handed hold he had on Mosely's right hand the first time he got rocked.

He also obviously underestimated Maidana in their first fight as well and corrected for the second fight.

I think you keep looking at the stats on paper and aren't giving nearly enough credit to the mental game necessary to perform at that level. How do you think Hopkins had such success for so long? It sure as hell wasn't his physical performance.
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It's very unlikely that Floyd made it that far unbeaten by not taking his opponents seriously. He got caught a couple times by Shane, a hall of famer. It happens... He had some tough moments against an awkward fighter that fights very ugly and unorthodox. It happens.

I'm not looking at stats on paper. I'm looking at the matchup, having seen both these guys fight dozens of times. What happened tonight was just a confirmation of what many who picked Floyd have been saying about this matchup for years.
 
I just watched the fight, i dont know anything about boxing just curious. I only know mayweather by name nothing else, but why was there at certain points so much boo-ing going on? were it fans from the other guy or?
 
MedIC86 said:
I just watched the fight, i dont know anything about boxing just curious. I only know mayweather by name nothing else, but why was there at certain points so much boo-ing going on? were it fans from the other guy or?
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they were booing the boring fighter
 
Mayweather seems to be the best at the moment. He also seems to have come from a tough background and never really transcended some of the problems. He has clearly got mental issues, but he is also a great fighter. I give props to him for winning, he clearly has great skills. He is very likely not a great person yet, but hopefully he will get there.
 
Glad I managed to stay awake for that fight. While it may not have been as interesting to the intrigued casual, as a boxing fan, that defensive performance really was something special. And yeah, he may have done it in the past, but that doesn't take the shine away from him doing it to Manny.

I always had Mayweather before the fight (except for something ridiculous), but after the first round or two, I was only worried about it being a lockout. Manny had his moments, but it's hard to give him more than 3 rounds.

Pac is still an ATG & HOF guaranteed, but that win, for me, sees Mayweather edge past him.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
Point is the same, it was a total waste of time. I don't care if you support either guy or you're neutral or you put money on it or you paid 100 dolalrs for PPV. Total waste of time and another reminder of why nobody cares about boxing. At least when I casually watch the baseball playoffs and world series I get pretty exciting and entertaining experiences out of it. Despite baseball losing popularity.
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These kinds of comments drive me crazy. Anyone who's worth their salt as a boxing fan knew this fight (just like all Mayweather fights) wasn't going to be some stand in the center of the ring slugfest. That's simply not the way he does it. Maybe several years ago Manny could have brought enough to turn it into that but he simply doesn't have the legs anymore. Manny has been in FAR more battles than Floyd ever has and it's shown of late. Unfortunately they're still the biggest names in boxing so they're what the PR guys sell and they're what the average joe public wants to watch

Because of the reasons I listed above I think it's totally unfair to judge boxing as a whole based on the hyped up advertising for one past his prime fighter and one really boring fighter (only boring if you don't appreciate defensive styles which I always have. Pernell!) It's not as if NFL, NBA and other organizations don't do the same thing. The media loves to hang on to their legends. After Brett Favre's skills fell off a cliff I still heard about him every single night on Sportscenter and every game was hyped to the max beforehand like "this is the one where he recaptures some of his old glory!" Yeah right. Dude was like 65 years old at that point.

I'll agree that many of the big ticket matches we've gotten over the past decade haven't lived up to the hype but for every $75 clunker there's usually 4-5 amazing fights on Showtime, HBO or the like. There are scores of amazing fighters at any given time in boxing as long as you're willing to look outside the heavyweight division.

The sport may never be as big as it once was, in the public's eyes or as a whole, but it can still offer compelling match ups, brilliant drama and examples of extreme athleticism on any given Saturday.....you just have to know when they're selling you a name instead of a talent
 
Tenebrous said:
Glad I managed to stay awake for that fight. While it may not have been as interesting to the intrigued casual, as a boxing fan, that defensive performance really was something special. And yeah, he may have done it in the past, but that doesn't take the shine away from him doing it to Manny.

I always had Mayweather before the fight (except for something ridiculous), but after the first round or two, I was only worried about it being a lockout. Manny had his moments, but it's hard to give him more than 3 rounds.

Pac is still an ATG & HOF guaranteed, but that win, for me, sees Mayweather edge past him.
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captjohnboyd said:
These kinds of comments drive me crazy. Anyone who's worth their salt as a boxing fan knew this fight (just like all Mayweather fights) wasn't going to be some stand in the center of the ring slugfest. That's simply not the way he does it. Maybe several years ago Manny could have brought enough to turn it into that but he simply doesn't have the legs anymore. Manny has been in FAR more battles than Floyd ever has and it's shown of late. Unfortunately they're still the biggest names in boxing so they're what the PR guys sell and they're what the average joe public wants to watch

Because of the reasons I listed above I think it's totally unfair to judge boxing as a whole based on the hyped up advertising for one past his prime fighter and one really boring fighter (only boring if you don't appreciate defensive styles which I always have. Pernell!) It's not as if NFL, NBA and other organizations don't do the same thing. The media loves to hang on to their legends. After Brett Favre's skills fell off a cliff I still heard about him every single night on Sportscenter and every game was hyped to the max beforehand like "this is the one where he recaptures some of his old glory!" Yeah right. Dude was like 65 years old at that point.

I'll agree that many of the big ticket matches we've gotten over the past decade haven't lived up to the hype but for every $75 clunker there's usually 4-5 amazing fights on Showtime, HBO or the like. There are scores of amazing fighters at any given time in boxing as long as you're willing to look outside the heavyweight division.

The sport may never be as big as it once was, in the public's eyes or as a whole, but it can still offer compelling match ups, brilliant drama and examples of extreme athleticism on any given Saturday.....you just have to know when they're selling you a name instead of a talent
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some fantastic posts back to back, gonna leave this thread on a high note
 
El Topo said:
If people wanted a slugfest they shouldn't have ordered this PPV. It was never going to be one.
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Pretty much. Mayweathers approach to boxing is well known, and if you dropped $100 expecting something different, then hey, that's your fault.

However, just take a moment, rewatch the fight, and admire the genius at work before complaining. It was a brilliant fight from Floyd, and if you can't see that, then boxing probably isn't for you.
 
Had to catch up on some sleep right afterward. :P

That was a good tactical fight for the first six rounds, even if awkwardly sloppy. Can't say I was very surprised by anything that happened and it kind of looked how I always predicted it would, which is some parts gratifying and other parts underwhelming.

Floyd probably punched his ticket to being officially in the top 25-15 of all time(top 10 for people who want to get carried away). I've always appreciated his craft while blocking out whatever I might think of him as a person.
 
Man, reading social media the backlash is real. It may be unfair, but the casual viewer was expecting some all-out slugfest, not the technical, point-based boxing we saw tonight.

Boxing is going to be in the doghouse for the casual viewer for at least another decade after tonight. No way non-boxing fans are going to get sucked into the hype-machine again anytime soon.
 
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