MAYWEATHER VS. PACQUIAO Official May 2nd

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camajise said:
Glad people are giving Max Kellerman shit. He acted like Pac was the first fighter ever to believe he had won a fight when he actually lost.
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Yeah, but Manny was pathetic in that post-fight interview.. just delusional.

He actually said his problem was Floyd moving. I mean.. no shit he moved.. what the fuck tape did you watch on him!?
 
This was really the last interesting boxing fight for a while.. or ever.

I guess a super fight between Mayweather and Rousey could be arranged but that would shatter too many egos if he tapped in under 30 seconds.
 
camajise said:
Glad people are giving Max Kellerman shit. He acted like Pac was the first fighter ever to believe he had won a fight when he actually lost.
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Kellerman did the right thing. Manny came off like a straight up bum after the fight with his comments.

When a guy says, "The other guy wouldn't stand still," or "I was hurt so...," that shit comes off real bad. This wasn't a close loss. He got beat.
 
Laconic said:
I do not see it as an excuse.

I see it as a logical explanation of an inevitable outcome.
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How is it not an excuse? It's not like this is anything new, nor a surprise to Manny that Floyd is bigger than he is. He can't get credit for beating bigger guys, then get a pass if he loses to a bigger guy.
 
params7 said:
Not everybody has to play aggressively. Mayweather boxes to win matches in the end not to put up a show or play for drama value. He's as real as any other boxer.
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Don't move the goal posts you were claiming people who want non boring matches should watch wrestling. So were the boxers I mentioned not 'real'?
 
MrToughPants said:
This was really the last interesting boxing fight for a while.. or ever.

I guess a super fight between Mayweather and Rousey could be arranged but that would shatter too many egos if he tapped in under 30 seconds.
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But Canelo fights next week GGG May 16 and Amir Khan on the 29th. Guaranteed KO and more "action".
 
Ether_Snake said:
People can say it was a disappointing match, but they can only blame Pac, not Floyd, which is why this is really a lot of misplaced anger and the comments are right. People watched to see Floyd lose, and they don't understand boxing. There's nothing to blame Floyd about, at all really.
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They can blame whoever they want, including Mayweather and even the rules of the sport. At the end of the day, if Mayweather plays a boring game to get his wins, people are well within their rights to call him out on it. His strategies are super effective but immensely unexciting, often even somewhat cheap. That's the point many are expressing. But yes, his talent is still undeniable.
 
camajise said:
Glad people are giving Max Kellerman shit. He acted like Pac was the first fighter ever to believe he had won a fight when he actually lost.
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It was far from unique. Guys like Jim Gray routinely issue reality checks to delusional fighters. Hell, even Joe Rogan will walk fighters back to reality in the middle of the octagon.

I guess this is the kind of fight where people will take to the internet with "that was so mean!" after the fact, though. The last time they watched boxing was Million Dollar Baby.
 
royalan said:
Because they made the mistake of thinking that Boxing is not a strategy-based sport that requires finesse and critical thinking, and that it's just supposed to be two fighters bludgeoning each other over the head for 12 rounds or until a knockout.
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Seriously, on Facebook it's like no one ever watched a Mayweather fight before this one except those that I used to Box with.

Like seriously there was only 1 way this could have played out and it did regardless of what MVP or any of these supposed fans thought they knew.
 
Do you guys think when Mayweather is retired, when he's gone from the sport that he'll eventually be appreciated a lot more as a boxer, over time of course...?
 
I don't think people are upset that there wasn't a KO, people are upset that it looked like the guy on the defensive won. The guy who 'came to fight' lost. It was clear to me as it happened that Floyd was dominating, but it wouldn't be clear to most.

There's an effective visual illusion with Floyd (and other defensive boxers). Since they wait to counterpunch, the audience's eyes are on their opponent as he moves in, and then on the opponent's hands as he hits arms or air. They don't then see Floyd hitting Manny at the same time because their eyes are pinpointed elsewhere. I mean, I knew it was happening and even I was struggling to pick out Floyd's shots because I was so focused on what Manny was doing as he advanced. So with that illusion it does look like the guy who threw barely any punches won.

Anyway, nothing wrong with wanting excitement. I was lucky that I'd seen Floyd before so knew not to pay for the fight. I won't pay for defence. Same as watching Chelsea play football. Are they the best team in England. Yeah. Do I like watching them park the bus or think it's good for the game? No.

A lot of casuals won't come back after that. It's not really an issue, because they weren't coming back for a couple of years until the next mega-fight anyway, but if the fight had been good maybe a small percentage of them might have become fans. (I include myself with the casuals, to be clear)
 
I love that Floyd won so convincingly. Leaves no room for BS/controversy. So now mannys camp is saying he was injured. Come on man.
 
GrizzleBoy said:
For the last damn time.

Floyd fights like a scared bitch who cant punch hard enough for the KO but the truth is many a time he is the stronger man in the fight. That's the biggest deception he always pulls off that gets people actually believing he's going to accept a fight against someone he thinks can knock him out.

Its all well and good saying Pacquiao needs to rush him and pressure him, but when Pacquiao gets close enough to punch and feels floyds weight pushing him downwards, pushing him backwards, spinning him around and theres nothing he can about it because he is WEAKER, what can he do?

When he fires off combos and he doesn't even have enough power to break Floyd guard via accumulation of punches, but Floyd punches really hurt him and he realizes he can't actually rough house Floyd at all, what does he do?

Try to box, because that's his only option. And obviously Floyd will use his height and reach to win that fight too.

Floyd was just way too big for Pacquiao. Just looking at PACs upper body, there was nothing there.

Its like asking a fast skinny quarterback to rough up a big defensive line man who can just grapple you and maneuver you exactly where he wants to because he has the size and strength advantage...... how is he supposed to do that exactly?
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Heel said:
Pacquiao made a career on beating bigger guys. It doesn't get to be the convenient excuse now that he got outboxed and is holding that L to his chest.
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What excuse?

Its THE REASON why Pac lost.

Floyd spoiled his inside game, tired him out with holding and making him miss and pot shot him for the points win. Just like he always does.

Its not an excuse, its what happened.

People are saying, "but why didn't Manny pressure and bring the fight to Floyd".

The answer is because he literally couldn't, for the reasons I stated. Theres no point brining up other fighters, especially when Manny probably wasn't as small as he was in those fights.
 
Ultra Numb said:
Do you guys think when Mayweather is retired, when he's gone from the sport that he'll eventually be appreciated a lot more as a boxer, over time of course...?
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His record and the caliber of fighters he's beaten in getting that record will speak for itself.
 
The objective of boxing is to win and take as little damage as possible so you can have a long career and make money. Thats Mayweathers game and he is a master at it. I love a good brawl just as much as anyone but thats just not a smart way to fight. Especially for someone with a record like that who is so close to retirement.
 
nib95 said:
They can blame whoever they want, including Mayweather and even the rules of the sport. At the end of the day, if Mayweather plays a boring game to get his wins, people are well within their rights to call him out on it. His strategies are super effective but immensely unexciting, often even somewhat cheap. That's the point many are expressing. But yes, his talent is still undeniable.
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I disagree, it's his opponents who are unexciting by not being able to box appropriately against him. Tell me what Floyd should do? The ball isn't in his camp, he's fighting as he should.
 
The fight wasn't very exciting, but it wasn't Mayweather's job to make it exciting. It was kind of interesting in some of the earlier rounds when Manny came out firing, but that sequence in the (fourth?) round where Manny was just whaling on Mayweather's guard reminded me of the Clubber Lang/Rocky rematch, lol. I wonder how many of those punches replaced punches Manny was too tired to fire in later rounds.

Although I want to ask something of the boxing "experts" in the thread. How was Manny supposed to stay aggressive when Mayweather clinched and leaned on him whenever he got in close? Mayweather clearly has a massive out-boxing advantage over pretty much everyone he fights, and then he gets to completely neutralize any in-boxing advantage his opponents have by instantly clinching and leaning for 5+ seconds when they narrow the distance. Is it even theoretically possible to beat him if you don't weigh more than him so you can keep yourself from getting bullied by his grappling? It doesn't seem like referees will ever punish him for it, at least.
 
LookAtMeGo said:
The objective of boxing is to win and take as little damage as possible so you can have a long career and make money. Thats Mayweathers game and he is a master at it. I love a good brawl just as much as anyone but thats just not a smart way to fight. Especially for someone with a record like that who is so close to retirement.
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nib95 said:
They can blame whoever they want, including Mayweather and even the rules of the sport. At the end of the day, if Mayweather plays a boring game to get his wins, people are well within their rights to call him out on it. His strategies are super effective but immensely unexciting, often even somewhat cheap. That's the point many are expressing. But yes, his talent is still undeniable.
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He's scummy on almost every level.
 
Ether_Snake said:
I disagree, it's his opponents who are unexciting by not being able to box appropriately against him. Tell me what Floyd should do? The ball isn't in his camp, he's fighting as he should.
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Only sort of strategy that's going to work against him is his own. But two fighters playing it turtle, my word it's going to be a boring affair. I suppose Amir Khan plays close enough, though Mayweather will still beat him due to having a tad more power and speed, and just being that little bit more precise.
 
Ultra Numb said:
Do you guys think when Mayweather is retired, when he's gone from the sport that he'll eventually be appreciated a lot more as a boxer, over time of course...?
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He'll be appreciated less. Right now he's the best fighter around, but once he's gone, and there's another dynamic, exciting fighter (like Pacquiao, GGG, etc.) that takes his place at the top of the p4p chart, people will rank him right where he belongs, as one of if not the best defensive-minded, conservative boxers in history, but definitely not "TBE".
 
I'm a super casual when it comes to boxing, from what I saw Floyd did what he was supposed to do, he has effective style that works for him. What do people expect him to do, intentionally try not to win?

So I don't get the hate that he was "running away" or all that nonsense, to me that ball should be in the opponent's court to be good enough to overcome Mayweather's style.

Mayweather did what he does best within the bounds of the rules and won, I can't hate. If anything people should be demanding that boxing change its rules so Mayweather's forced to change up, not railing on him for trying to win.

Also yes the fight was fucking boring.
 
Rapier said:
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He's scummy on almost every level.
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Lol, talk about re editing the truth. Ortiz head butted him a moment before. The ref broke it up, re started the fight, they touched gloves and the fight re started. This idiot didn't protect himself even though the fight was on. He lost because he forgot he was in a fight.
 
thequestion said:
Mayweather owned this fight and made Manny look like a small child. First time I've seen Mayweather fight and I was quite impressed with his skill. It's unfortunate he uses this same skill to beat up on woman.

Mayweather IS the face of the sport of boxing. He'll get his 49 - 0, and will go down in history as one of the greatest fighters this world has ever seen.

Congratulations Floyd, you played the game of life successfully - You won!
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Greatest fighters the world has ever seen? Hardly. He's a smart fighter, but he's not the greatest.

I mean, his record is so paltry when you compare it to legends like Julio Cesar Chavez. Now there's the face of one of the greatest fighters the world has ever seen.
 
The Silver said:
I'm a super casual when it comes to boxing, from what I saw Floyd did what he was supposed to do, he has effective style that works for him. What do people expect him to do, intentionally try not to win?

So I don't get the hate that he was "running away" or all that nonsense, to me that ball should be in the opponent's court to be good enough to overcome Mayweather's style.

Mayweather did what he does best within the bounds of the rules and won, I can't hate. If anything people should be demanding that boxing change its rules so Mayweather's forced to change up, not railing on him for trying to win.

Also yes the fight was fucking boring.
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It's not some big mystery why people don't like Floyd's style. It's like an NFL team that tries to score a field goal or two and then tries to run out the clock, doing just enough to win.

He'll get the win, but he won't be appreciated as much as the Patriots going for the jugular every time out and occasionally dropping 50 on you.

You don't HAVE to go for a finish every fight, just like you can lay and pray yourself to a bunch of wins in MMA, but you simply won't be appreciated, and rightfully so. People like to see someone who likes to win skillfully, yet emphatically. History is filled with all-time greats who fought this way, Mayweather isn't one of them.
 
Chamber said:
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I think it's the other way around. One guy is trying to tell the other guy why people found the match boring and the other guy won't concede that and goes with, "WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?!?!?!?!?!?!1111!?!?" The man was just speaking for the public, game was super boring and doesn't deserve the title of "The Fight of the Century". When you label yourself as "The Best Ever" you better be more entertaining and more outward powerful.
 
Subpar Spatula said:
I think it's the other way around. One guy is trying to tell the other guy why people found the match boring and the other guy won't concede that and goes with, "WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?!?!?!?!?!?!1111!?!?" The man was just speaking for the public, game was super boring and doesn't deserve the title of "The Fight of the Century". When you label yourself as "The Best Ever" you better be more entertaining and more outward powerful.
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Was this your first Floyd Mayweather game?
 
The ref just casually sort-of getting between the fighters is the real problem in that Mayweather "cheap shot". Can't blame the boxer for taking advantage of the half-drunk ref, especially when you're also complaining about him not being aggressive enough in other fights.

But I don't necessarily think most of the people complaining about the fight (while also not realizing what they were getting into beforehand) would have been at all upset if Pacquaio decided to missile his dome into Floyd's nose during a clinch last night.
 
Heel said:
Was this your first Floyd Mayweather game?
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I suspect this is sarcasm.

To answer, though, yes. I think it was a lot of people's first Mayweather fight. When you label yourself as the "The Best Ever" you give the impression you're entertaining, powerful, and outward with your fighting. Yes. He's a great technical fighter. That doesn't check off what people call best, though. You need to entertain to be the best. Mayweather doesn't do that. You must see why people feel frustrated at the fight. It was just so boring.

Archaix said:
The ref just casually sort-of getting between the fighters is the real problem in that Mayweather KO. He was doing what he should have.

But I don't necessarily think most of the people complaining about the fight (while also not realizing what they were getting into beforehand) would have been at all upset if Pacquaio decided to missile his dome into Floyd's nose during a clinch last night.
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People would have been fine if someone did something. A knock out at least. At least that's cheer worthy. Winning by points with very little brawls or showmanship is the most boring thing ever. I doubt every one who watched would become a fan even if it was entertaining but this fight is just more ammo as to why the sport is circling the drain and the end of a joke.
 
Too many people here drinking the Kool Aid calling FM a "wizard" "magician" "artist".

Please, settle your inner fan for a second and consider this: If every contender decided to play FM's game (and stop before you say "they can't cause Mayweather da bess") it would the most fucking boring thing ever witnessed.

It's exploitative. It's trash.
 
MVP said:
It's not some big mystery why people don't like Floyd's style. It's like an NFL team that tries to score a field goal or two and then tries to run out the clock, doing just enough to win.

He'll get the win, but he won't be appreciated as much as the Patriots going for the jugular every time out and occasionally dropping 50 on you.

You don't HAVE to go for a finish every fight, just like you can lay and pray yourself to a bunch of wins in MMA, but you simply won't be appreciated, and rightfully so. People like to see someone who likes to win skillfully, yet emphatically. History is filled with all-time greats who fought this way, Mayweather isn't one of them.
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I disagree.

I would liken Floyd to Pep Guardiola era Barcelona. They both strangle the life out of their opponents with pure skill. They make good opposition look ordinary by using their assets to completely nullify the opposition, and both are awesome to watch if you appreciate how difficult what they are doing is.

Barcelona take the ball away, and Floyd takes away the opponents offence by using it against them with his counter punching.

Floyd will certainly be remembered as a great by people who appreciate boxing as a sport and an art, rather than a spectacle. His skills are right up there with the very best.
 
Rapier said:
Too many people here drinking the Kool Aid calling FM a "wizard" "magician" "artist".

Please, settle your inner fan for a second and consider this: If every contender decided to play FM's game (and stop before you say "they can't cause Mayweather da bess") it would the most fucking boring thing ever witnessed.

It's exploitative. It's trash.
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What? Who or what is he exploiting?
 
MVP said:
It's not some big mystery why people don't like Floyd's style. It's like an NFL team that tries to score a field goal or two and then tries to run out the clock, doing just enough to win.

He'll get the win, but he won't be appreciated as much as the Patriots going for the jugular every time out and occasionally dropping 50 on you.

You don't HAVE to go for a finish every fight, just like you can lay and pray yourself to a bunch of wins in MMA, but you simply won't be appreciated, and rightfully so. People like to see someone who likes to win skillfully, yet emphatically. History is filled with all-time greats who fought this way, Mayweather isn't one of them.
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I don't care if anyone thinks hes boring, I think he's boring and have no desire to ever watch one of his fights again.

That said I'm still not gonna hate and rage on the guy for doing what he does, it is what it is, he's just smarter and more effective at playing the game. I would say the same for the hypothetical NFL team and MMA guy you mentioned.
 
Rapier said:
Too many people here drinking the Kool Aid calling FM a "wizard" "magician" "artist".

Please, settle your inner fan for a second and consider this: If every contender decided to play FM's game (and stop before you say "they can't cause Mayweather da bess") it would the most fucking boring thing ever witnessed.

It's exploitative. It's trash.
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Truthfully if every boxer tried his style most will be knocked the fuck out. Adrien Broner tries to emulate it and you saw what happened with Maidana. Andre Berto tried the shoulder roll and just looked horrible and lost the fight. Nobody is drinking any kool-aid.

Boxing analyst, experts and boxers all can break down what makes him AMAZING and one of the greatest. Don't have to hear it from the fans.
 
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