MAYWEATHER VS. PACQUIAO Official May 2nd

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Owlowiscious said:
One thing I noticed as a filthy casual is that, while watching watching a compiliation video of all the 'hugs', Pacquiao does nothing in all of them, and Mayweather punches Pacquiao during most of them. Is that allowed? To me, Pacquiao came out of this the better man. Mayweather could still win with his defensive style without doing all the shady shit.

Which is why I'm curious if the shoulder thing affected his stats this greatly or is it Mayweather's defense. Less punches landing because of defense is easy to see, but less punches thrown?
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They are legal punches. The only questionably legal punches were that near below the belt punch in the early rounds and the sneak punches Mayweather gets on Pac behind the head, otherwise the ref will call it as they see it during clinches.
 
Was funny to see a lot of people that were in the front seats just texting on their phones most of time, like they do not cared about the fight and the cost of those seats, something like : Payed thousands of dollars for a seat, spend time texting.

Well I guess when you are millonarie some bucks does not count.
 
Owlowiscious said:
Which is why I'm curious if the shoulder thing affected his stats this greatly or is it Mayweather's defense. Less punches landing because of defense is easy to see, but less punches thrown?Quality work aside, could this be a cuase of his performance?
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It could be, but Mayweather is a a very strong counter puncher, Pac might have been scared of throwing too many punches because of that.
 
DoktorEvil said:
They are legal punches. The only questionably legal punches were that near below the belt punch in the early rounds and the sneak punches Mayweather gets on Pac behind the head, otherwise the ref will call it as they see it during clinches.
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So initiating a hug and punching during it is a legal move? Is this where Mayweathers punches/connects are coming from?

Different subject, during the fight, Mayweather would stick his arm out and make short hand movements. I saw it like a cat pawing at someone and kept saying he was like a cat during the fight. I'm not sure if I'm describing it well enough for anyone to know what I'm talking about, but are those counted as punches as well? And if those hand waves touch Pacquiao, would those count as connected punches too?
 
Baby Milo said:
4.5 million ppvs for this fight, great tv ratings, and Allah Haymon has boxing on national tv now god damn

boxing is dead tho lol
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For that one night. Not going to happen again until the next olololo "fight of the century "

Though after reflecting I can relate with how boxing fans feel about this match the way I feel about football whenever Chelsea or the Greek national Team plays.
 
Owlowiscious said:
So initiating a hug and punching during it is a legal move? Is this where Mayweathers punches/connects are coming from?

Different subject, during the fight, Mayweather would stick his arm out and make short hand movements. I saw it like a cat pawing at someone and kept saying he was like a cat during the fight. I'm not sure if I'm describing it well enough for anyone to know what I'm talking about, but are those counted as punches as well? And if those hand waves touch Pacquiao, would those count as connected punches too?
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Clinches are legal.

This is the scoring system boxing uses:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compubox

I wish I knew how it really works, but I believe Floyd knows enough abou the system as to game it and influence how to abuse it to win fights in his favor, thus the hyper defensive keep away style he uses.
 
Owlowiscious said:
Which is why I'm curious if the shoulder thing affected his stats this greatly or is it Mayweather's defense. Less punches landing because of defense is easy to see, but less punches thrown?Quality work aside, could this be a cuase of his performance?
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Sure, it could be blamed on the shoulder but it could just as easily be credited to Mayweather. A missed punch costs twice the energy of one that connects. Mayweather bobs and weaves while Manny was swinging at air, it's gotta catch up to him eventually.

Owlowiscious said:
So initiating a hug and punching during it is a legal move? Is this where Mayweathers punches/connects are coming from?
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It's protect yourself at all times. Ref says it at the very beginning of the fight.

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Owlowiscious said:
So initiating a hug and punching during it is a legal move? Is this where Mayweathers punches/connects are coming from?

Different subject, during the fight, Mayweather would stick his arm out and make short hand movements. I saw it like a cat pawing at someone and kept saying he was like a cat during the fight. I'm not sure if I'm describing it well enough for anyone to know what I'm talking about, but are those counted as punches as well? And if those hand waves touch Pacquiao, would those count as connected punches too?
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The use of the term "hug" to me just shows how little some of the people commenting on the sport know about boxing.

Clinching is a part of the sport, though excessive clinching can be penalized. Floyd's clinching was not excessive (especially after the first three rounds) and it wasn't a major factor in the fight. Floyd won with footwork and counter punching. He clinched strategically in the opening rounds to blunt Pacquiao's offense when it was at it's strongest, and then he tapered it off (not 100% but mostly) before he could possibly have been penalized for it.

And besides, Pacquiao played a part in the clinching as well.

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To respond to the second half of your post, pitty pat punches would not have been scored by the judges or in the compubox numbers.

Floyd did that in order to mask when/if he was going to mix in his heavier shots. Vasyl Lomachenko did this masterfully in his fight on the undercard as well.
 
Owlowiscious said:
So initiating a clinch and punching during it is a legal move? Is this where Mayweathers punches/connects are coming from?
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Yes, this is legal. Your only limitations on punching are related to where they can impact on the opponent's body (no low blows, no punches to the back of the head, etc) unless the ref has specifically stopped the action. During a clinch, the ref will sometimes yell "break", and the fighters need to stop punching a separate. He might also yell "work your way out it", and this means that the fighters are meant to separate from each other on their own and they can keep punching.
 
Omega Kirby said:
For that one night. Not going to happen again until the next olololo "fight of the century "

Though after reflecting I can relate with how boxing fans feel about this match the way I feel about football whenever Chelsea or the Greek national Team plays.
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i mean great tv ratings outside of floyd

boxing isn't going anywhere

your gonna see it much more with PBC being on national tv and cable
 
Tom_Cody said:
The use of the term "hug" to me just shows how little some of the people commenting on the sport know about boxing.

Clinching is a part of the sport, though excessive clinching can be penalized. Floyd's clinching was not excessive (especially after the first three rounds) and it wasn't a major factor in the fight. Floyd won with footwork and counter punching. He clinched strategically in the opening rounds to blunt Pacquiao's offense when it was at it's strongest, and then he tapered it off (not 100% but mostly) before he could possibly have been penalized for it.
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floyd only clinched 13 times

1 a round is nothing
 
wildfire said:
That was the first time I've seen Mayweather fight. I felt his defensive play was quite skillfull. He used a combination of weaving, bobbing and deflections with his glove that kept Manny guessing on how to engage him.
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It was my first time watching a Mayweather fight but wow it was just a boring fight. I am not a boxing fan and this did nothing for me at all.
 
2 Slice Toaster said:
Like about Pacquiao being denied an anti-inflammatory shot before the fight because he didn't disclose the injury to the Nevada Athletic Commision and Bob Arum filed incorrect paperwork about it?

Quality work all around from the Pacquiao camp.
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I KNEW Bob Arum would ruin this fight somehow! :p
 
Tom_Cody said:
The use of the term "hug" to me just shows how little some of the people commenting on the sport know about boxing.

Clinching is a part of the sport, though excessive clinching can be penalized. Floyd's clinching was not excessive (especially after the first three rounds) and it wasn't a major factor in the fight. Floyd won with footwork and counter punching. He clinched strategically in the opening rounds to blunt Pacquiao's offense when it was at it's strongest, and then he tapered it off (not 100% but mostly) before he could possibly have been penalized for it.

And besides, Pacquiao played a part in the clinching as well.

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To respond to the second half of your post, pitty pat punches would not have been scored by the judges or in the compubox numbers.

Floyd did that in order to mask when/if he was going to mix in his heavier shots. Vasyl Lomachenko did this masterfully in his fight on the undercard as well.
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I agree with everything you said, but that gif shows Mayweather initiating with his missed right at the same time Manny tried to throw left to the body
 
kinggroin said:
I agree with everything you said, but that gif shows Mayweather initiating with his missed right at the same time Manny tried to throw left to the body
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Swing, miss, tie him up, turn him, escape the ropes. Great tatic to use when cornered into the ropes.
When Floyd walked down Canelo and backed him into the ropes the only way Canelo would have got out is if Floyd eased up or if Canelo tied him up and turned him. But we all know how that ended for Canelo.
 
kinggroin said:
I agree with everything you said, but that gif shows Mayweather initiating with his missed right at the same time Manny tried to throw left to the body
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What I was trying to show is that clinching involves both fighters. Floyd stepped forward with his right hand punch, Manny blocked it and then pushed forward while bending at the waist to prevent Floyd from throwing another punch, and then the stanza ended with Manny's arms around Floyd's waist and Floyd pressing down on top of him. This is indicative of the clinches that occurred in the fight.
 
Zok310 said:
Swing, miss, tie him up, turn him, escape the ropes. Great tatic to use when cornered into the ropes.
When Floyd walked down Canelo and backed him into the ropes the only way Canelo would have got out is if Floyd eased up or if Canelo tied him up and turned him. But we all know how that ended for Canelo.
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Agree. It works for him.


Just saying; Manny didn't initiate the clinch in that gif.


Edit: I understand now what he means by "played a part". Thanks for the explanation (though if you're in a clinch at any time, it goes without saying you played a part :-D)
 
kinggroin said:
Agree. It works for him.


Just saying; Manny didn't initiate the clinch in that gif.


Edit: I understand now what he means by "played a part". Thanks for the explanation (though if you're in a clinch at any time, it goes without saying you played a part :-D)
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Tieing up / resting on you opponent is available to all boxers but not in excess. Unfortunately some boxers have such poor boxing IQ and they just fight with their fist, they use nothing else.
And that's why we say Floyd is on another level.
He uses everything available to him, while being offensive on his back foot, amazing and fun to watch for the more cerebral boxing fan.
 
You can blame the winner for using a winning strategy. Yeah the fight was boring as shit, but Floyd s job was to win. PAC should have been aware of his strategy and prepared for it. So really it was mannys fault if you think about it

I was rooting for PAC btw
 
Zok310 said:
Tieing up / resting on you opponent is available to all boxers but not in excess. Unfortunately some boxers have such poor boxing IQ and they just fight with their fist, they use nothing else.
And that's why we say Floyd is on another level.
He uses everything available to him, while being offensive on his back foot, amazing and fun to watch for the more cerebral boxing fan.
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And it was an obvious key difference. Ring IQ.

Manny was made to look like an amateur
 
Baby Milo said:
4.5 million ppvs for this fight, great tv ratings, and Allah Haymon has boxing on national tv now god damn

boxing is dead tho lol
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Where are you pulling this number from?

I cant confirm that anywhere.

In fact so far the only statement I can find from HBO and Showtime is it broke 3million.
 
Watching this fight, and then going back on hbo go to watch the GGG fights they have on there is like a night and day difference in entertainment. Floyd is probably the best defensive fighter ever, but his style is not really a crowd pleaser.

GGG on the other hand is dynamite. The guy walks down opponents and just brutalizes them whenever he gets a chance. He fights smart, but also very aggressively.

Anyone that has hbo go and has not seen GGG fight I strongly encourage you to check out some of his fights. I also hope that he can make a bigtime fight in the near future with Cotto or Canelo.
 
mnannola said:
Watching this fight, and then going back on hbo go to watch the GGG fights they have on there is like a night and day difference in entertainment. Floyd is probably the best defensive fighter ever, but his style is not really a crowd pleaser.

GGG on the other hand is dynamite. The guy walks down opponents and just brutalizes them whenever he gets a chance. He fights smart, but also very aggressively.

Anyone that has hbo go and has not seen GGG fight I strongly encourage you to check out some of his fights. I also hope that he can make a bigtime fight in the near future with Cotto or Canelo.
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I've read rumours that Cotto is trying to get GGG away from him... Which would kinda be surprising, but understandable. Golovkin is a beast.
 
Tenebrous said:
I've read rumours that Cotto is trying to get GGG away from him... Which would kinda be surprising, but understandable. Golovkin is a beast.
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Cotto is trying to fight Canelo Alvarez which is the much bigger payday. They have been trying to make it happen recently and were going to have the fight on may 2nd and then hell froze over and MayPac happened.


Cotto refused to sign the deal because there was no point in competing against the megafight, so Canelo got angry and called it off. Now they both have fights in the next couple if weeks and will meet in August/September if both are victorious.
 
Floyd fights 'not to lose' instead of fighting to 'win' I think most but the hardest hardcore woman beater stans would agree that is why so many dislike his fighting style. Now before you guys get all high and mighty throwing around 'flithy casual' or 'cerbral' blah blah. I've been watching boxing for 30 years.

I have to admit I'm disappointed Manny did go all out. I would have rather seen him knock Floyd out or get knocked out trying.
 
Days like these... said:
Floyd fights 'not to lose' instead of fighting to 'win' I think most but the hardest hardcore woman beater stans would agree that is why so many dislike his fighting style. Now before you guys get all high and mighty throwing around 'flithy casual' or 'cerbral' blah blah. I've been watching boxing for 30 years.

I have to admit I'm disappointed Manny did go all out. I would have rather seen him knock Floyd out or get knocked out trying.
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Its so much easier said than done, to sell yourself out and go for the KO. Its one of those things that go against our innate instincts.. self-preservation.

I'll admit it was disheartening seeing Manny reduced to what we saw on Saturday, after seeing him destroy his opponents for years. Despite what anyone says, the Marquez KO was a stroke of luck and over-confidence from Manny, as he had been dominating up until that point.

People say that Manny from five years ago would've changed the outcome, but the Floyd of five years ago would've also probably had the same success.
 
Days like these... said:
Floyd fights 'not to lose' instead of fighting to 'win' I think most but the hardest hardcore woman beater stans would agree that is why so many dislike his fighting style. Now before you guys get all high and mighty throwing around 'flithy casual' or 'cerbral' blah blah. I've been watching boxing for 30 years.

I have to admit I'm disappointed Manny did go all out. I would have rather seen him knock Floyd out or get knocked out trying.
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Champions don't have to take risks in combat sports. They just have to play it safe. That's the advantage of being the champion.

Manny had to put an impossible performance to have won the fight.
 
entrement said:
Champions don't have to take risks in combat sports. They just have to play it safe. That's the advantage of being the champion.

Manny had to put an impossible performance to have won the fight.
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He was fighting for the Philippines in that fight Saturday.

He should've taken more risks tbh.
 
Bought the PPV and watched the fight - luckily no cable problems on my end. I had the fight scored 116 - 112 for Mayweather and didn't think the outcome was even debatable - I could see it scored 118 - 110. While I appreciate what Mayweather does, I do understand how his style turns a lot of people off. It's kind of like an MMA fighter who just takes the opponent down but doesn't try to finish, instead just trying to control the fight and look to win a decision. Yeah it works but is boring as shit to watch. Granted I don't think Mayweather's style is as boring as that style of MMA, but it's kind of the boxing equivalent.
 
mnannola said:
Watching this fight, and then going back on hbo go to watch the GGG fights they have on there is like a night and day difference in entertainment. Floyd is probably the best defensive fighter ever, but his style is not really a crowd pleaser.

GGG on the other hand is dynamite. The guy walks down opponents and just brutalizes them whenever he gets a chance. He fights smart, but also very aggressively.

Anyone that has hbo go and has not seen GGG fight I strongly encourage you to check out some of his fights. I also hope that he can make a bigtime fight in the near future with Cotto or Canelo.
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Yep love this guy.
 
It's like some people don't accept the fact that not every boxer will fight like a headhunting KO machine. Styles make fights, and some styles don't mesh well. It's easy to say that Floyd fights safe, and doesn't take risks, but when you're skills dictate that you don't have to risk it all to win, why would you? I know Tommy Hearns wishes he had fought smart against Hagler. He fought valiantly, but he fought Hagler's fight, and got knocked the fuck out. And I know damn well that those people in here saying Floyd was running, scared, etc., wouldn't be giving Floyd props if he went toe to toe and got knocked out, they'd be rubbing it in even harder. It's just the salt talking, that's all.
 
perineumlick said:
It's like some people don't accept the fact that not every boxer will fight like a headhunting KO machine. Styles make fights, and some styles don't mesh well. It's easy to say that Floyd fights safe, and doesn't take risks, but when you're skills dictate that you don't have to risk it all to win, why would you? I know Tommy Hearns wishes he had fought smart against Hagler. He fought valiantly, but he fought Hagler's fight, and got knocked the fuck out. And I know damn well that those people in here saying Floyd was running, scared, etc., wouldn't be giving Floyd props if he went toe to toe and got knocked out, they'd be rubbing it in even harder. It's just the salt talking, that's all.
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Kind of like how some people can't accept the fact that Floyd fights 'not to lose' and is boring. It's not salt at least not on my part. I admit he beat Manny and I was disappointed in Manny's effort.
 
Days like these... said:
Kind of like how some people can't accept the fact that Floyd fights 'not to lose' and is boring. It's not salt at least not on my part. I admit he beat Manny and I was disappointed in Manny's effort.
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I would never say he fights not to lose. He takes away a fighter's strengths and totally neutralizes them; how is that fighting not to lose? He is supremely talented, and I enjoy watching him work, just like I enjoy watching GGG break people down.
 
Tom_Cody said:
Lol, keep looking for your moral victory.
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I had internalized my own irrational moral victory without even posting in this thread. I'm not trying to do that here and I'm trying to get more informational posts from the knowledgeable posters here. I'm finding the differences between these two boxing styles interesting and would like to know more about it. The person I quoted knew how many cinches Floyd made, so I'm wondering how many Manny made. Also, it's said that excessive cinching can be penalized. Is there a set number/ratio for this penalization, or is it a judgment/referee call?

I don't know what this is referring to, but I'm sure I will be able to point you in the right direction if someone communicated poorly.
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kinggroin said:
Gennady Golovkin. A boxer. Look his fights up. You'll love boxing afterwards.
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Thanks.
 
Owlowiscious said:
I had a moral victory without even posting in this thread. I'm finding the differences between these two boxing styles interesting and would like to know more about it. The person I quoted knew how many cinches Floyd made, so I'm wondering how many Manny made. Also, it's said that excessive cinching can be penalized. Is there a set number/ratio for this penalization, or is it a judgment/referee call?

GGG
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Gennady Golovkin

A boxer. Look his fights up. You'll love boxing afterwards.
 
kinggroin said:
And it was an obvious key difference. Ring IQ.

Manny was made to look like an amateur
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That's what great athlete do best, they make good athletes look horrible. In any sport. You saw it with Jordan in basketball, Floyd in Boxing, and so on. And once you appreciate that level of skill it's hard for that viewer to look at someone like Manny and say "yeah, he can beat Floyd", truth is he got nothing for Floyd.
Like a deer in head lights, Floyd speared him, not sure why. I mean at one point you see Floyd intentionally backing into the ropes just to get Manny to come in after him. That's where I give Manny props, he saw what Floyd was trying to do and did not pursue until the later rounds when he was already way behind on points.
Like I said, classic Mayweather, beat them up without all the gore.

Edit: Spelling
 
Zok310 said:
That's what great athlete do best, the y make good athletes look horrible. In any sport. You saw it with Jordan in basketball, Floyd in Boxing, and so on. And once you appreciate that level of skill it's hard for that viewer to look at someone like Manny and say "yeah, he can beat Floyd", truth is he hit nothing for Floyd.
Like a deer in head lights, Floyd speared him, not sure why. I mean at one point you see Floyd intentionally backing into the ropes just to get Manny to come in after him. That's where I give Manny props, he saw what Floyd was trying to do and did not pursue until the later rounds when he was already way behind on points.
Like I said, classic Mayweather, beat them up without all the gore.
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Depending on your definition of the term, I'd argue that Mayweather rarely really beats people up though. Not in his last few fights anyway. There's a difference between scoring so many points by connecting lots of random nuisance jabs and pot shots, to actually beating boxers up, Eg causing lots of damage to them akin to a proper beat down (even without the excess gore).
 
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