TheRealTalker
Banned
death of Avdol 2.0
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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders |OT| ATTEMPT NO MANGA SPOILERS HERE
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AlimNassor
Banned
yeah but, this time I don't see Avdol coming back. Fucking shit ill miss him V_V
Arrowgigantic
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He's not dead, he's walking around in a happy other dimension
with no hands
Which is OK, he can probably make flame hands if he can make a stand detector out of fire.
with no hands
Which is OK, he can probably make flame hands if he can make a stand detector out of fire.
Daria Morgendorffer
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Avdol got freakin telefragged.
That part was a bit stupid. It would have come in handy in earlier in the series (in fact, if you think about it, they should have had that detector on all the time throughout their journey), but of course the only time they use it is when it's completely useless because the enemy can literally appear out of nowhere.
thefatness16
Banned
Excellent episode. D'arby 2 turned out way better than I expected. It was my least favorite part of the manga for stardust crusaders.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Personally they could have done something else. Hell, him being revived as a vampire already shows how hardcore he is.
I thought the editors were already super happy back then due to 3's popularity lol
Now that I think about it, outside of magnet girl, Avdol didn't really do anything anyway
Werewolf Jones
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All these people complaining about the lack of real danger and other minute problems Part 3 has had now you're all in for it.
Fire Araki, the mangaka?! Because they had to get his approval for the name changes for All-Star Battle, so I guess they figured they might as well keep him happy & use the names for the anime. From what I understand, he was NOT happy with some of the changes in the English manga &/or the US version of the Capcom fighter.
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Deleted member 231381
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Killing off one of your three actually interesting protagonists, leaving half your cast monotone piles of dull, doesn't seem to fix any problems to me.
Part 2 > Part 1 > Part 3.
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Part 2 > Part 1 > Part 3.
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BinaryPork2737
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He had a few moments early on, like getting Jotaro out of the cell and beating Polnareff, and there was the Cameo/Judgement fight. But yeah, he doesn't really do much in the second half.
I won't try to spoil/hype anything about Part 4 since I'm sure it'll get animated next year, but after rewatching/reminded of Part 3, I'm finding it similar to Part 1: They're still good, but it's more to introduce certain ideas/characters (hamon & stands), to which the following parts (2 & 4) are much more realized, evolved versions of their previous parts and living up to the "bizarre adventure" in the title.
Yeah. Ice eating those hands will probably bite him in the ass later.
Werewolf Jones
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I actually don't like part 3 so for personal reasons I would agree but for actual quality I do not. I see people throw "jobber" left and right around so carelessly describing the SC cast.
Fights Caesar won: 0
Fights Lisa Lisa won: 0
Fights Speedwagon won: 0
Fights Will A Zeppeli won: 0
Hatty
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Araki didn't like using Avdol because he made him too powerful so he killed him off early in the series. He was only brought back due to fan demand. Araki does this again in part five where he makes one characters stand extremely broken and writes them out midway through but they never come back
Jotaro is cool and so is Kakyoin, Iggy, Polnareff, and Joseph I'm not sure who is uninteresting In the lineup
Jotaro is cool and so is Kakyoin, Iggy, Polnareff, and Joseph I'm not sure who is uninteresting In the lineup
petran79
Banned
yes, that voice in the OVA feels hardly menacing. It is just that they animated that sphere very well, slowly disintegrating and crumbling the manor! In the TV series unfortunately they never reached that level of animation. Also Dio's stand will help them even more regarding saving costs!
But the OVA has some scenes in the final battle that make it worthwhile:
Jotaro crying! That would have been fit for Joseph and Jonathan, but Jotaro? Impossible!
The Egyptian TV news describing the Stand attacks and explosions as terrorist acts!
Reason Jotaro gets angry and beats Dio is that Dio slaughters innocent people, including a woman and her child. Like in the Phantom Blood arc where he turned a woman into a vampire forcing her to eat her child. One of the few instances where the anime directors surpass the manga author!
The Egyptian TV news describing the Stand attacks and explosions as terrorist acts!
Reason Jotaro gets angry and beats Dio is that Dio slaughters innocent people, including a woman and her child. Like in the Phantom Blood arc where he turned a woman into a vampire forcing her to eat her child. One of the few instances where the anime directors surpass the manga author!
I also liked that in the TV series they added few extra panels where he punches his older brother
Lactose_Intolerant
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The fact that it is a whole other dimension and not a stomach pretty much is pointing out that he's alive and coming back.
Dedication Through Light
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Guess the gifs were sadly more exciting than the episode itself. No real surprise there, as one again when things could truly get tough the writing staff chickens out to make things comical and light hearted. Kakyoin gets eliminated due to fair game stuff, but now Joseph cheats and wins. How come in this universe those that play fair lose? Its unethical and immoral.
Dont really care either way for Avdol, he did nothing but whine and hide all season so he wont be missed. If all you do is get sent to some other dimension than it isnt that bad. Certainly several orders of magnitude more pleasing way to be off'd than
JJBA is better when its really dangerous and scary, and so far it seems this is being like s1 pt 1, where the only time it got to that level was in the final fight or sorts. Oh well, at least it means Kakyoin and others may not die, as Dio is probably only concerned for Joseph.
Dont really care either way for Avdol, he did nothing but whine and hide all season so he wont be missed. If all you do is get sent to some other dimension than it isnt that bad. Certainly several orders of magnitude more pleasing way to be off'd than
crushed by cement slabs 
#neverforget
#neverforgetJJBA is better when its really dangerous and scary, and so far it seems this is being like s1 pt 1, where the only time it got to that level was in the final fight or sorts. Oh well, at least it means Kakyoin and others may not die, as Dio is probably only concerned for Joseph.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I was talking about his post-resurrection, he didn't do anything at all
despite that though, they still did something to the growth of Joseph and Johnathan's character
you can't say the same thing with Jotaro
Yeah, sorry, I tried to be vague & didn't even include the character's name since I wanted to be careful with spoilers. I'll end it there & not speak of it again. Now back to Part 3 talk.
Did they say the name of the stand in the episode? I just remembered something, but I'll wait until next week if the name wasn't said yet.
thefatness16
Banned
Nah. They showed ?? as the stand name.
Ah, that's right, during the stats screen. I'll wait until next week, then.
no name yet. not even in the panel that shows the stand halfway into the ep.
BinaryPork2737
Unconfirmed Member
I mean, Caesar technically won a single battle when he helped Joseph force Esidisi out of Suzie Q.
At least he's not in the pure garbage tier with Loggins and Dire. Even Straizo and Tonpetty are shown killing zombies while Jonathan fights Dio. The only thing that Dire manages to accomplish is shoot a hamon rose at Dio's eye. Loggins is kicked and dies.
CornBurrito
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Guess the gifs were sadly more exciting than the episode itself. No real surprise there, as one again when things could truly get tough the writing staff chickens out to make things comical and light hearted. Kakyoin gets eliminated due to fair game stuff, but now Joseph cheats and wins. How come in this universe those that play fair lose? Its unethical and immoral.
Dont really care either way for Avdol, he did nothing but whine and hide all season so he wont be missed. If all you do is get sent to some other dimension than it isnt that bad. Certainly several orders of magnitude more pleasing way to be off'd thancrushed by cement slabs
JJBA is better when its really dangerous and scary, and so far it seems this is being like s1 pt 1, where the only time it got to that level was in the final fight or sorts. Oh well, at least it means Kakyoin and others may not die, as Dio is probably only concerned for Joseph.
Fair game stuff? The guy read Kakyoins mind in order to win. How is that fair?
Dedication Through Light
Member
Mind reading isnt helpful in racing, its not like he was snaking in Mario Kart.You still need some skills to win in a racing game.
TheRealTalker
Banned
I agree that with excluding Jospeh JoeStar, Avdol was the second most interesting guy in the group for me
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Even though he had so much potential
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Even though he had so much potential
Tizoc
Member
Hm maybe remove IMG tags for this one to be on the safe side?
Jotaru WAS playing fair against D'arby senior, and for the most part has won fights fair and squareGuess the gifs were sadly more exciting than the episode itself. No real surprise there, as one again when things could truly get tough the writing staff chickens out to make things comical and light hearted. Kakyoin gets eliminated due to fair game stuff, but now Joseph cheats and wins. How come in this universe those that play fair lose? Its unethical and immoral.
Name one other fight where the gang 'cheated'.
How do you think D'Arby "knew" about Kakoyin's plan to push him off the track (And use that as an advantage to leap frog the stage)? Are you even watching the episodes?
He has to ask a yes/no question though, and I don't recall him asking any specific questions about that.
He doesn't have to say the questions out loud to get an answer though.
"Exactly!" He cheated Kakyoin. He deserves to be cheated back.
I agree, even as a Jojo fan I can't bring myself to watch 50 episodes of part 3 after reading it. I'll be watching weekly if they animate part 4.
Blackquill
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Agreed, it's a whole new concept and Araki used it really well in next parts but I still think that he got a lot of great idea in stardust crusaders.
I'm a maybe the exception here but I think that Stardust Crusaders is better than the 2 previous parts mainly due to the cast and the bro trip atmosphere, and there are still a lot of funny moments (Steely Dan, Death 13, Mariah, Alessi, everything with Polnareff...)...
I remember how I was unsure of the inclusion of Stands despite liking Jotaro and the others, but now.. I think I vastly prefer part 3. I still love the first two seasons, but this season has everything.
I wonder: how good are the viewer numbers and is there any reason that part 4 won't get animated?
I wonder: how good are the viewer numbers and is there any reason that part 4 won't get animated?
NeonZ
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You're ignoring how those earlier parts were set up and how long they were compared to Battle Tendency though.
Battle Tendency is filled with one shot threats who are only there to be killed off, while the earlier parts reserved that to nameless fodder. Every named antagonist was part of the main story, not just monsters of the week.
Parts 1 and 2 generally succeeded in making the enemies feel threatening, rather than the protagonists stupid or weak. I guess people could complain about how Battle Tendency to a point basically had "power levels" ("My hamon isn't strong enough to damage you!?"), but, really at this point, I'd take power levels over part 3's tendency of making the supporting cast really stupid when it's convenient (well, aside from Polnareff, since that's pretty much his character).
petran79
Banned
I too like part 3 better but only regarding the Egypt Arc which I dont have trouble reading again and again. First half is not that great (except the Hanged Man and Emperor chapter)
TV adaptation is good so far but I feel the series deserved a better adaptation. Something similar to Hokuto no Ken and Saint Seiya, even if they had to add fillers. Adaptation arrived too late unfortunately. Only the 90s OVA gave us a glimpse of how a TV series would look like
It is in part 3 where Jojo starts to depart from Hokuto no Ken influence and become something of its own. Parts 1 and 2 in the manga where awfull to read. Design was so bad! TV adaptation of the first two parts was very good, considering the quality of the original material.
CornBurrito
Member
In which case, Darby wouldn't have lost if he didnt rely on trying to read Jotaro's mind in order to figure out the pitch. Jotaro's cheat only worked because of Darby's cheat.
But as others said he used mindreading to figure out what Kakyoin's strategy was.
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Deleted member 231381
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Yeah, this. In all honesty, I think the "Monster of the Week" set-up is the worst part about Part 3 by far. It just damages the whole show for me. By the 15th stand user or whatever, there's no tension because the gang are on a 14-0 win-streak. The Pyramid Men felt threatening as fuck. They win almost all of their early encounters with Joseph making last minute escapes and death-defying gambits. Caesar's death doesn't feel like jobbing, it's not used to establish how powerful the Pyramid Men are, we already know that and feel it. Instead, you actually take a great deal of respect for Caesar for how he managed to edge it out for so long. In contrast, Avdol's death is just a lolwut moment. I have no reason to suppose Cool Ice is threatening. The last 20 of his colleagues certainly weren't. It's just boring.
I haven't read the manga, so I have no idea what's coming, but I really hope things revert to the format of Parts 1 and 2. Not necessarily to Ripple rather than Stands, although in all honesty I'm not much of a Stand fan either, but to the way that the season is structured.
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