Crossing Eden
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It's hard to tell because we already had someone in this thread unsarcastically say that it looks worse than Witcher 2.
Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else
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Windom Earle
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Until you run into a camp with a ton of AI. The game has a horrible CPU bottleneck. Happens further into the game. No GPU fixes that.
Gamer @ Heart
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Why are sime people so dismissive of this?
Yeah the game still looks great, especially for an open world rpg, but that downgrade is fucking real and this practice should not be accepted.
People who are bothered by it have a right to be and that shouldn't bother you.
Yeah the game still looks great, especially for an open world rpg, but that downgrade is fucking real and this practice should not be accepted.
People who are bothered by it have a right to be and that shouldn't bother you.
cripterion
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Although it came off a bit elitist, same could be said about console players bitching about crossgen. Would you like to have The Order 1886 made with the PS3 in mind?
PC platform can have exclusives too and benefit from it. Pretty sure no one would want Arma or Total War games to be made with consoles in mind.
Defense force cause it is CDPR and people get too invested somehow. It's already GOTY for some without even having laid hands on the game. I'm excited as much as anyone to play this but I don't see the necessity in stifling any negative thing said about the game or its makers.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Because some see artistic changes more than "downgraded".
ArkkAngel007
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Sounds like it's a place about the overall discussions and arguments over it, not just for people who are bothered by the downgrades to raise their castle.
And I think claims that it's worse than Witcher 2 with a straight face or that suddenly the game isn't worth shit because it's merely a great looking game deserves some criticism of its own.
Ploid 3.0
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Not literal promise, but advertising graphics that may be aiming too high because it'll get people drooling, and advertisement tricks.
Showing Dark Souls 2 with lighting mechanic and not having it in the final game was like a broken promise. These early shots are advertisements, they get people excited for the game. Then the final game looks less than what was shown at the beginning. Maybe they should just start showing how it actually looks and runs then make it look better or worse. If it looks worse it should be easier to explain what changed since it didn't look like a 10/10 amazing when it was revealed.
My PC devours crysis.
DannyDanger
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Ehhh... Not a Huge deal
Ppl saying they won't buy it now, ridiculous
Ppl saying they won't buy it now, ridiculous
You got my hopes up and then I realized you meant Dark Souls 2.
Ploid 3.0
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Yeah these could indeed be artistic changes. Like the broken wall, what if they decided to have whatever cause that damage in another location, or what if that damage was set there for the shot just to see how things can look and to make the walkthrough look interesting.
Oh dang, my mistake haha.
Tidus_Great
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not impressed at all TBQH. the order 1886 absolutely blows it away.
I think the whole thing with Watch Dogs was over-exaggerated. A few elements were downgraded and that was disappointing, but it still retained much of the look as before and looked pretty impressive on PC. We also knew exactly how that game was going to look for a long time before it came out. People blew that stuff way out of proportion.
Dark Souls 2, on the hand, was a drastic gutting and misrepresentation of the game's graphics pretty much up until release. We were justified in being upset with that situation. Ironically, that downgrade probably had the least fuss and uproar surrounding it.
ArkkAngel007
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So that's why we never got Demon's Souls 2. More devs should definitely pull the final product from production after their nefarious marketing schemes are outed like FROM did.
Your move, Naughty Gods.
It's an interesting dynamic though. If you don't show anything right away, your audience may shift away. If you show premature footage, you get the Bloodborne/Uncharted 4 style 'looks like shit' reception. Show 'target footage', even when clearly marked as not indicative of the game, and anything changes it's 'downgrades' or 'lies'.
You're aware that a $1500 would entail a $800-$1000 graphics card, right? That's WAY beyond something in the middle already.
Judging by what we know about the system requirements a $800-$1000 PC (GTX 970, i7-4790k, 8GB RAM - depending if it is upgraded - $800 in that case - or built from scratch - closer to $1000) should give you great performance on High-Ultra details already.
There has been plenty of media for the past year showing exactly how the game looks now. It isn't like this stuff is hard to find.
Wuthering_Heights
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Still looks great to me.
Can't wait to play this on my PS4 console.
Can't wait to play this on my PS4 console.
Are you talking about the comparison in the OP? If you are, then the answer is because it's really fucking stupid. As in, badly researched, built upon fallacies and flawed in its fundamental arguments.
It would be possible to discuss whether a "downgrade" happened, and if so what specifically it applies to and how it manifests, but not on that basis.
LegalEagleMike
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god i was waiting for this one. Comparing corridor shooter with massive open world rpg.
Will get this game anyway, BUT.
There's plenty of HQ footage of it in its various stages of development for us to compare if you don't like the gifs in the OP or compressed Youtube videos.
If you don't think there was a downgrade, you are delusional. Still waiting for a game that will truly look like the Sword of Destiny trailer.
There's plenty of HQ footage of it in its various stages of development for us to compare if you don't like the gifs in the OP or compressed Youtube videos.
If you don't think there was a downgrade, you are delusional. Still waiting for a game that will truly look like the Sword of Destiny trailer.
Wolvesinthebathroom
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.....super short linear games vs an open world game with over 100 hours of game play.
Ploid 3.0
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It'll always be a demon's souls franchise to me. Dark? Pfft.
The Order also isn't multiplat, open world or 1080p. Of course it's going to look better. Smh
Intheflorsh
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Are you surprised that a linear game with reduced screen resolution looks better than a massive open world game?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Let's not compare one of if not the the most linear game in recent memory to a ridiculously large open world game.
RandomSeed
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Very true about standing out, and I wasn't thinking about it in that way. There were plenty of good FPS games released around that time, so pushing things could have helped, or at least not hurt them.
I think what we have is a downgrade in some ways (effects and environment detail) with some upgrade (character models, animations) which is further compounded by a pretty drastic change in art direction (more color, less sharpening).
Why downgrade at all? PS4 and XB1 were a shellshock to the industry. I don't think anyone in the industry expected Sony and MS to release such mediocre hardware, they designed these games under the assumption that the console would perform at or near the top of the power spectrum as they always have... and instead the PS4 landed somewhere in the middle and the XB1 to the left of that. There is some degree of parity at play but its not because the developer is doing Sony and MS a favor -- its because of economics. They've said before that they just aren't capable of producing separate art assets for each version of the game. They simply don't have the resources or manpower to pull that off.
All things considered, the game still looks fantastic and its certainly the most impressive looking open world game I've seen.
Why downgrade at all? PS4 and XB1 were a shellshock to the industry. I don't think anyone in the industry expected Sony and MS to release such mediocre hardware, they designed these games under the assumption that the console would perform at or near the top of the power spectrum as they always have... and instead the PS4 landed somewhere in the middle and the XB1 to the left of that. There is some degree of parity at play but its not because the developer is doing Sony and MS a favor -- its because of economics. They've said before that they just aren't capable of producing separate art assets for each version of the game. They simply don't have the resources or manpower to pull that off.
All things considered, the game still looks fantastic and its certainly the most impressive looking open world game I've seen.
People still talk about that game?
While I agree,I think
BloodBorne
I am really not trying to open the floodgate that is gameplay comparisons,however.
MichaelFassbender
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This is ridiculous. Please, cancel your pre-orders. I want to be the only one playing this at release, and enjoying its writing.
Could give half a shit about the graphics, seriously.
Could give half a shit about the graphics, seriously.
Aesthetically? Sure if you prefer it, graphically nope.
plasmawave
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Enhanc3d edition confirmed.
Miles Quaritch
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Still looks great, but it is a shame there's seemingly been a very noticeable downgrade.
Oh gee, a linear game that lasts 10 hours has better graphics than a large open world game that has no loading screens? Gee, I wonder why.
Why not graphically ?
BloodBorne
Can you explain to me why TW3 is technically more impressive ? because I don't see it.
You're right, i'm just trying to express the breadth of variance in what a potential buyer might be using.
I've not particularly looked at prices lately or built a PC in a while and i'm in the UK, so dollar price quotes are a bit iffy off the top of my head.
MRrogermoore
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were people expecting it too look like the reveal? I mean have some sense... even a high end pc will have a hard time running it.
WordsintheWater
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Looks downgraded, but also still looks beautiful in my eyes so it doesn't bother me too much. Oh and I may be crazy, but I like the more colorful look of the recent build.
Why are you putting BB in spoiler tags?
Character model details, the was hair and beards look in comparison would be the first I'd notice. Even without hairworks Witcher's take the cake.
That's just off the top of my head without hunting for pic comparisons and deraling the thread into bb vs w3
MagnoSauce
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Saying time of day accounts for the differences shown in comparisons.
Collateral22
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Yeah I was thinking the same, I like the bright color look of it better. Looks good, have made a decision and will get it on PS4, can't hold off till I get my new PC in November
It's downgraded, but whatever. Only 1% of the population of PC gamers would be able to play it at those settings.
Also... How do you expect consoles to run this game without some sort of degredation of assets? Sure they could have made things more scale-able and have lower level assets for lower level machines, but they don't have the man power for that.
Game does look worse though. In all aspects of what it used to be... unless the PC version on Ultra looks like that.
Also... How do you expect consoles to run this game without some sort of degredation of assets? Sure they could have made things more scale-able and have lower level assets for lower level machines, but they don't have the man power for that.
Game does look worse though. In all aspects of what it used to be... unless the PC version on Ultra looks like that.
Man, people sure love them graphics.
Maybe the game was downgraded, but i think a more apt comparison will be made when the game is out so we can compare it using the same variables. And let's be honest, we're not talking about massive downgrades like Dark Souls 2 or Alien: Colonial Marines.
What creates a distrust climate is the fact that CDPR was really secretive about the pc ultra settings. Telling people that it would be a big surprise created a lot of expectation. And maybe it will be a surprise, but not in the sense they were hoping.
P.s: The Order comment can only be a joke. No sane person will even propose an comparison between the games.
Maybe the game was downgraded, but i think a more apt comparison will be made when the game is out so we can compare it using the same variables. And let's be honest, we're not talking about massive downgrades like Dark Souls 2 or Alien: Colonial Marines.
What creates a distrust climate is the fact that CDPR was really secretive about the pc ultra settings. Telling people that it would be a big surprise created a lot of expectation. And maybe it will be a surprise, but not in the sense they were hoping.
P.s: The Order comment can only be a joke. No sane person will even propose an comparison between the games.
I don't think anybody is seriously arguing that the game doesn't look gorgeous still. I'd never consider canceling my preorder over this.
Seriously. No offense to the Order - it has a great artstyle and I LOVE how it looks, but looking at it purely from a technical standpoint it looks more like a souped up PS3 game and isn't anywhere close to The Witcher 3.
disregard, this post is useless
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