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[Griss]

Wow, that's disappointing. The original gifs and images did look insane, but CDPR had such a good reputation that I will admit that I believed them. And now it looks like a massive downgrade for sure.

I'll wait for direct-feed footage and to see what reviewers say, but I didn't buy Watch Dogs (despite liking open world Ubi games), didn't buy Dark Souls 2 (despite loving DS1), and won't buy Witcher 3 if this stuff holds up. Especially as with the Witcher 3 it was the visuals that had convinced me to buy the game. Two reasons: I don't like being lied to and visuals matter to me.

Devs proclaim their dislike of paid DLC. Paid DLC is announced.

Devs state that downgrade rumors are unfounded. Graphics are downgraded.

Yet there are droves of apologists. I think the game still looks plenty nice, but I don't get why CDPR gets graded on a different scale than other devs.

A lot of the thread is embarrassing, tbh. The tone is so different from the Watch Dogs or Unity threads that it's incredible. And then so many other people on here think negative discussion of any sorts is a bad thing, or shouldn't be allowed. The title of the thread is clear, for fuck's sake - isn't thread whining supposed to be ban-able?

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Devs proclaim their dislike of paid DLC. Paid DLC is announced.

Devs state that downgrade rumors are unfounded. Graphics are downgraded.

Yet there are droves of apologists. I think the game still looks plenty nice, but I don't get why CDPR gets graded on a different scale than other devs.

To be fair, they stated that they would most likely charge for big expansion type DLC in the very same statement. It blows my mind that people refuse to acknowledge that.

 

[Kinthalis]

Sure, one the most, if not the most, technically accomplished videogame on the graphics side, looks like a souped PS3 game... I know a The Order and Witcher 3 comparison is downright silly in terms of scale alone, but please don't say stupid shit.

Maybe he's confusing technical with artistic?

'cause, yeah technically, in many graphical areas at least, it's pretty impressive.

 

[Windom Earle]

But you're an expert in not only FPS but on his computer as well?

There is no CPU on the planet that fixes Crysis 1 optimization mess, sorry.

And I don't need to be an expert, I am using MSI afterburner or Fraps.

 

[Crossing Eden]

I mean, I came in here expecting to dismiss this downgrade talk as somewhat premature and misguided, but this is unequivocal. What we have here is a scientifically rigorous process using uncompressed direct-feed footage, with identical scenes containing identical assets, where variables like platform, settings, TOD, weather, etc are all controlled for and clearly indicated to the viewer.

What?

 

[SaberEdge]

Wonderful comment. A+

you're comparing a 6 hour game to a 100 hour game?

The fact that some people can't even help themselves from blurting out how game "x, y or z" looks "way better" (even though that's not what the thread is about) should make it clear how politically motivated much of this downgrade talk really is.

 

[KHlover]

Sure, one the most, if not the most, technically accomplished videogame on the graphics side, looks like a souped PS3 game... I know a The Order and Witcher 3 comparison is downright silly in terms of scale alone, but please don't say stupid shit.

Oh shit sorry this was supposed to be a post about Bloodborne. Shame on me :/

I know the post I quoted said the Order - as did my post - but I really had Bloodborne in mind when I wrote that post for some reason >.<

I went back and corrected it. Please cut me some slack, it's 3am here lol

 

[Rival]

I still have high hopes for the finished product. I'll be playing in 1440p mostly ultra.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Maybe he's confusing technical with artistic?

I think that's a far more common occurrence than most people think.

 

[dreamfall]

Reading this thread with the homies,

I mean, I expected some compromises to get this running on consoles. But I still think it looks incredible, for an open world of this size and depth. I ain't even mad!

 

[Blitzblotz]

The, "It is downgraded and that's an utterly beautiful thing!" replies are strait-up twilight zone.

 

[Hypron]

Devs proclaim their dislike of paid DLC. Paid DLC is announced.

That's bullshit. From the beginning they said if they were to release a large amount of content post-launch (ie. an expansion pack), it wouldn't be free. Blame yourself for not knowing how to read.

 

[SaberEdge]

What?

I think it was sarcasm. At least I hope it was.

 

[Krusenstern]

The leaked footage so far of the PS4 seems kinda stuttery. Frame rate drops, lots of LOD pop in, including lighting. Just janky.

I really hope The CD Project Red guys didn't have to dumb down the PC version 'cause consoles.

I seriously doubt the game will look like the early builds on PC. The graphics of the recent footages we see is what we're going to get on all platforms.

It also boggles my mind how so many dismiss the criticism of the downgrade while there is no problem calling other studios and publishers out on downgrades.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

The, "It is downgraded and that's an utterly beautiful thing!" replies are strait-up twilight zone.

Link?

 

[Kinthalis]

Devs proclaim their dislike of paid DLC. Paid DLC is announced.

Devs state that downgrade rumors are unfounded. Graphics are downgraded.

Yet there are droves of apologists. I think the game still looks plenty nice, but I don't get why CDPR gets graded on a different scale than other devs.

I agree with you to an extent on the second point, but the first point is just you lacking reading comprehension skills, or trolling.

They stated that what they didn't like was piecemeal, small stuff that shoudl have been in the game in the first place being sold as paid DLC. Instead, they think paid DLC should be like the PC expansions of old. Substantial, story stuff that adds to the game in a meaningful way.

They plan on releasing small little bits of content, the stuff that other companies sell, but for free, while working on big expansion level DLC that they will sell.

Please stop spouting nonsense.

 

[Crossing Eden]

I think it was sarcasm. At least I hope it was.

Oh god I hope it was.

 

[vpance]

The leaked footage so far of the PS4 seems kinda stuttery. Frame rate drops, lots of LOD pop in, including lighting. Just janky.

I really hope The CD Project Red guys didn't have to dumb down the PC version 'cause consoles.

Nah, they knew what they were doing. While it is partly a console thing it's also the amount of work they'd have to do to maintain that level of quality throughout the entire game world. It's quite easy to create short amazing looking vertical slices.

I'm sure all the studies the big pubs have been doing show unachievable target renders push preorders to heaven and is completely worth any amount of possible future backlash.

 

[Ostinatto]

Why some people in this thread are OK with false advertisement ? i don't get it.

 

[Vicarious]

If it was possible for the games to look better they would, its as if some people don't know how much work is actually remotely put into making these games.

 

[Korezo]

This game looks real average now. Terrible. Happy to have only paid $20 for this and it was a nvidia promo code. I hate supporting thisbcrap.

 

[Uno Venova]

Why some people in this thread are OK with false advertisement ? i don't get it.

That depends on if they use the reveal footage in a TV ad doesnt it.

 

[Krusenstern]

Why some people in this thread are OK with false advertisement ? i don't get it.

Blind fanboyism.

 

[Valnen]

That depends on if they use the reveal footage in a TV ad doesnt it.

The reveal footage counts as advertisement.

 

[Fhtagn]

Yikes, this is brutal. It pains me deeply that I'm going to have to cancel my preorder, as I've been a big fan of Sapkowski's universe, CDPR and the Witcher games for many years.

I mean, I came in here expecting to dismiss this downgrade talk as somewhat premature and misguided, but this is unequivocal. What we have here is a scientifically rigorous process using uncompressed direct-feed footage, with identical scenes containing identical assets, where variables like platform, settings, TOD, weather, etc are all controlled for and clearly indicated to the viewer.

And sure, I know one of their quest designers dismissed "downgrade talk" as the byproduct of a fundamental misunderstanding of the game development process, saying something to the effect that, "[Footage from 2 years ago] represents our aspirational goals as to how the final product will look, but of course we can't show you precisely what the final product will look like, because, you know, we haven't fucking finished it yet."

Now, I may not be a game developer in real-life, but I've dabbled enough in bee husbandry to know a barefaced lie when I encounter one. Preorder cancelled and good riddance to bad rubbish.

Haha, A++, will read again.

 

[tuxfool]

Yikes, this is brutal. It pains me deeply that I'm going to have to cancel my preorder, as I've been a big fan of Sapkowski's universe, CDPR and the Witcher games for many years.

I mean, I came in here expecting to dismiss this downgrade talk as somewhat premature and misguided, but this is unequivocal. What we have here is a scientifically rigorous process using uncompressed direct-feed footage, with identical scenes containing identical assets, where variables like platform, settings, TOD, weather, etc are all controlled for and clearly indicated to the viewer.

And sure, I know one of their quest designers dismissed "downgrade talk" as the byproduct of a fundamental misunderstanding of the game development process, saying something to the effect that, "[Footage from 2 years ago] represents our aspirational goals as to how the final product will look, but of course we can't show you precisely what the final product will look like, because, you know, we haven't fucking finished it yet."

Now, I may not be a game developer in real-life, but I've dabbled enough in bee husbandry to know a barefaced lie when I encounter one. Preorder cancelled and good riddance to bad rubbish.

What?

Your sarcasm detector has been broken by this thread.

 

[Cipherr]

I feel a little lost here. Why would the downgrading of assets on a game suddenly be something we shouldn't discuss? I have seen these discussions on plenty of games here on GAF prior to this, and there is a CLEAR difference in the fidelity of those early images/gifs and the final game it appears.

If everyone else is fair game, so is this studio. Doesn't make them evil, doesn't mean the game won't be fun, but trying to silence the conversation and/or make exceptions when it's the exact same thing the other publishers do seems odd.

 

[Hugstable]

Why some people in this thread are OK with false advertisement ? i don't get it.

Alot of us don't actually care about graphics as much, thus we wouldn't get really that mad about it. Witcher 2 was some graphical tour de force when it came out originally, but the reason I really loved it was the story, dialogue choice and some decisions having so much meaning that the whole second chapter could be different. It's those kinda things that kept me interested in teh Witcher, and graphics aren't all super big to me, so yes, I'm fine with there being a downgrade as long as it means the game runs respectively. Plus doesn't the current game now look just like all the recent footage they have been showing for the last few months or so?

 

[CambriaRising]

Disappointing, as always. This is a pretty drastic one.

 

[HeelPower]

Blind fanboyism.

There are...I dunno..Hours of footage of the game out there ?

Nothing's concealed and there's no false advertisement.

People keep clinging to the stupid Sword of Destiny trailer like its the end all be all.

 

[plasmawave]

That depends on if they use the reveal footage in a TV ad doesnt it.

I don't remember Watch Dogs doing that but it got crucified anyways.

 

[sappyday]

I wonder if there will now be a bunch of fetch quests.

 

[SaberEdge]

Why some people in this thread are OK with false advertisement ? i don't get it.

Because that's just a load of BS. Even if you think the game doesn't look as good as it did in those first trailers, we've seen so much of this game throughout development and the overall look of the game has been a known quantity for a long time. Nobody is being misled and to imply otherwise is simply disingenuous.

 

[CSJ]

My only thoughts on the matter is why?.

Show your game as is, not some ambition or example of what it could be.
Then you'll get no complaints, at all, absolutely zero about downgrades.


Though I don't really care, I'll eventually play it - not a Witcher follower but in general for the topic is what I'm getting at

 

[Dmax3901]

Yikes, this is brutal. It pains me deeply that I'm going to have to cancel my preorder, as I've been a big fan of Sapkowski's universe, CDPR and the Witcher games for many years.

I mean, I came in here expecting to dismiss this downgrade talk as somewhat premature and misguided, but this is unequivocal. What we have here is a scientifically rigorous process using uncompressed direct-feed footage, with identical scenes containing identical assets, where variables like platform, settings, TOD, weather, etc are all controlled for and clearly indicated to the viewer.

And sure, I know one of their quest designers dismissed "downgrade talk" as the byproduct of a fundamental misunderstanding of the game development process, saying something to the effect that, "[Footage from 2 years ago] represents our aspirational goals as to how the final product will look, but of course we can't show you precisely what the final product will look like, because, you know, we haven't fucking finished it yet."

Now, I may not be a game developer in real-life, but I've dabbled enough in bee husbandry to know a barefaced lie when I encounter one. Preorder cancelled and good riddance to bad rubbish.

I'm going to quote this in place of trying to express my own feelings because damn this is beautiful.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Your sarcasm detector has been broken by this thread.

Completely. Actually in retrospect that post is hilarious.

 

[misho8723]

Why some people in this thread are OK with false advertisement ? i don't get it.

What "false advertisement" ? One trailer released about 1-2 years ago?

They have released dozens of gameplay videos directly from the game in the last year..Just becasue of one trailer, they are using false advertisement? And what about those dozens gameplay videos?

 

[M.W.]

Time to cancel the pre order. This is despicable. Worst downgrade of all time.

Can't wait.

 

[tuxfool]

Why some people in this thread are OK with false advertisement ? i don't get it.

Had they not released any other footage showing the game as it currently is then you might have a point. The bulk of the material they have released looks like it does now. Everyone complaining is basing this off of <3 minutes of footage.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I feel a little lost here. Why would the downgrading of assets on a game suddenly be something we shouldn't discuss? I have seen these discussions on plenty of games here on GAF prior to this, and there is a CLEAR difference in the fidelity of those early images/gifs and the final game it appears.

If everyone else is fair game, so is this studio. Doesn't make them evil, doesn't mean the game won't be fun, but trying to silence the conversation and/or make exceptions when it's the exact same thing the other publishers do seems odd.

Who is saying it shouldn't be discussed? Its nice to have a devoted thread so it doesnt become the focal point of every thread about the game.

 

[Primethius]

Because that's just a load of BS. Even if you think the game doesn't look as good as it did in those first trailers, we've seen so much of this game throughout development and the overall look of the game has been a known quantity for a long time. Nobody is being misled and to imply otherwise is simply disingenuous.

Eh, that's pretty debatable. CDPr has mentioned several times they are not showing off the Ultra preset along with being pretty adamant about there being no "downgrades".

 

[Tigress]

Yikes, this is brutal. It pains me deeply that I'm going to have to cancel my preorder, as I've been a big fan of Sapkowski's universe, CDPR and the Witcher games for many years.

I mean, I came in here expecting to dismiss this downgrade talk as somewhat premature and misguided, but this is unequivocal. What we have here is a scientifically rigorous process using uncompressed direct-feed footage, with identical scenes containing identical assets, where variables like platform, settings, TOD, weather, etc are all controlled for and clearly indicated to the viewer.

And sure, I know one of their quest designers dismissed "downgrade talk" as the byproduct of a fundamental misunderstanding of the game development process, saying something to the effect that, "[Footage from 2 years ago] represents our aspirational goals as to how the final product will look, but of course we can't show you precisely what the final product will look like, because, you know, we haven't fucking finished it yet."

Now, I may not be a game developer in real-life, but I've dabbled enough in bee husbandry to know a barefaced lie when I encounter one. Preorder cancelled and good riddance to bad rubbish.

This was just art. Sums it up quite well.

 

[Einchy]

Because that's just a load of BS. Even if you think the game doesn't look as good as it did in those first trailers, we've seen so much of this game throughout development and the overall look of the game has been a known quantity for a long time. Nobody is being misled and to imply otherwise is simply disingenuous.

Oh, THAT's disingenuous? I thought CDPR saying multiple times that no downgrading had happened was disingenuous.

 

[Tigress]

My only thoughts on the matter is why?.

Show your game as is, not some ambition or example of what it could be.
Then you'll get no complaints, at all, absolutely zero about downgrades.


Though I don't really care, I'll eventually play it - not a Witcher follower but in general for the topic is what I'm getting at

When it's two years or before the game comes out, how pray tell are they supposed to do that? They're still working on it, the game is going to change. Are they supposed to have a time machine and go to the future to grab footage?

Maybe people should footage a year or two before the game is released is not the finished product and realize it will change.

 

[antonz]

There are legitimate issues you can raise then there is blatant bullshit like the Witcher 2 in game screenshot vs. Witcher 3 highly compressed youtube comparison shot.

Frankly what I am seeing is more system wars bullshit than an actual concern about the game. Cause you know God forbid you actually wait til the game is released to do comparison

 

[Crossing Eden]

There are legitimate issues you can raise then there is blatant bullshit like the Witcher 2 in game screenshot vs. Witcher 3 highly compressed youtube comparison shot.

Frankly what I am seeing is more system wars bullshit than an actual concern about the game. Cause you know God forbid you actually wait til the game is released to do comparison

Has this ever happened?

 

[Virdix]

From the Leak thread, wonder if there is any truth to this or just a random comment

 

[jim-jam bongs]

not impressed at all TBQH. the order 1886 absolutely blows it away.

yeah, but it still looks better.

In a thread full of extraordinarily stupid posts, yours have taken the crown.

Congratulations!

 

[antonz]

Has this ever happened?

Not when there is an agenda behind it. Cause Blurry Youtube Videos and random bootleg videos make for the best comparison after all.

 

[fluffydelusions]

not impressed at all TBQH. the order 1886 absolutely blows it away.