Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else

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I saw a post earlier on saying the first area where most of the press footage and leaked footage is one of the areas that doesn't look so great compared to the rest of the game.

All speculation and rumour of course but still I think it looks great. After years of bullshots I've just come to expect that no game will look exactly like it does when it's revealed. We've been shouting about this for ages and Publishers have done bugger all to tone the bullshots so I've just given up on trying to stir up a fuss now lol.
 

Fuz

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The chain links look really flat and fakey, though.
 

Einchy

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Some areas look much better and others don't. But it surely is close enough to the target for me and is astounding on the whole. *shrugs*

The only thing that looks better are the models and I believe this was because they were still using Witcher 2 models back then. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this is the case.

Everything else looks much better in the 2013 trailers.
 

Vire

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A sidegrade then!

The only thing that's been improved I feel is the character models. Everything else seems noticeably worse. It's all so pointless though.

What did complaining about Watch Dogs get us? Nothing.

What did complaining about Dark Souls 2 get us? Nothing. (They didn't even change it for the re-release remaster)

The game is out in less than a week and this is how it looks now, it is what it is.
 

Gaz_RB

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The only thing that's been improved I feel is the character models. Everything else seems noticeably worse. It's all so pointless though.

What did complaining about Watch Dogs get us? Nothing.

What did complaining about Dark Souls 2 get us? Nothing. (They didn't even change it for the re-release remaster)

The game is out in less than a week and this is how it looks now, it is what it is.

Yeah, at least people can see what they're getting now rather than after release.
 
The only thing that's been improved I feel is the character models. Everything else seems noticeably worse. It's all so pointless though.

What did complaining about Watch Dogs get us? Nothing.

What did complaining about Dark Souls 2 get us? Nothing. (They didn't even change it for the re-release remaster)

The game is out in less than a week and this is how it looks now, it is what it is.

Crysis 2 did receive a dx11 feature patch, so it is not out of the question.
 
Yeah, at least people can see what they're getting now rather than after release.

Yeah but you don't need an angry mob with torches and pitchforks or hilariously bad picture comparisons for that. There is already hours and hours of gameplay footage to see if The Witcher 3 is your kind of game and how it will look.
 

ironcreed

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The only thing that looks better are the models and I believe this was because they were still using Witcher 2 models back then. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this is the case.

Everything else looks much better in the 2013 trailers.

I disagree. I like the added color. The game looks so much more alive, but that is just me.
 

Gaz_RB

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Yeah but you don't need an angry mob with torches and pitchforks or hilariously bad picture comparisons for that. There is already hours and hours of gameplay footage to see if The Witcher 3 is your kind of game and how it will look.

I agree. Like Vire said, there's no point.
 

Tenebrous

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It's crazy to think how far games have come in the past ten years to make that picture unimpressive.

It'll be even less impressive in motion with CD Projekt Red's trademark terrible facial animations.

It's not unimpressive... I just expected more from CDPR. I know they have to cater to consoles now, and I know it's an open world game, but I still expected more.
 

SaberEdge

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I'm not sure why you insist on using such awful quality captures of the Sword of Destiny trailer SaberEdge. I provided some higher quality ones.

The low quality ones you use mask the drop in quality of the current game.

They're both from 1080p youtube videos. The compression levels should be near enough to the same level. It's not going to dramatically change anything about the comparison. I have a high quality gamersyde version of the SoD trailer, but since I don't have such high quality versions available of many of the areas we can sensibly compare it to it wouldn't be fair to use such high quality footage in a comparison. The youtube videos are all as close in quality as I could find at the time. However, even with the high quality SoD footage it merely resolves more detail, it doesn't fundamentally change the graphical makeup or its essential parity with the newer footage.
 
By foliage you really mean grass and by lighting you mean color palette changes, right?

he probably means all plant life, including tress. by lighting he probly means the shading of surfaces and how light seems to transmit through the sky. foliage in general looks poor now, and the volume based translucency looks nothing like what the term should imply.
 
The only thing that looks better are the models and I believe this was because they were still using Witcher 2 models back then. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this is the case.

That can't be right. No, it is not right I'm sure, even when they had the old 'crappy' renderer one could already tell they were using entirely new assets.
 

Einchy

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Sorry if my opinion bothers you.

This isn't a matter of opinions.

You're telling me that the game looks better now because they changed the color pallet, even though it's technically less impressive. That's asinine.

You can like the new art style all you want but that doesn't change the fact that it used to look technically better before they downgraded the graphics.
 
I don't get why we get this outrage *now*, the game hasn't looked like the debut trailer for years, for better or worse.

They got rid of the sharpening and tint filters, character models and animations were improved, grass density reduced.
Lightning is hard to say due to artistic and time-of-day differences. Looks like volume-based translucency didn't make it.
 

Derp

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By foliage you really mean grass and by lighting you mean color palette changes, right?
By foliage I mean foliage, trees includes, because right now the leaves on the branches are giant pieces of paper cut into the shape of a bunch of leaves. By lighting I think I mean lighting but I don't really know, for example the grass now lacks detail in colour (so it's like thick strands of washed out green now with not much detail - that was an exaggeration but hopefully you get my point) and doesn't appear to react properly with lighting (shadows between grass strands seem to be reduced or non existent). Also the grass itself is completely different now, and much worse, but I think we've established this already. Also yes colours seem to be different (for example the 2013 swamp gif had that really dark foggy atmosphere with the light reflecting off the water - I know it's from a different trailer but thats what I mean by lighting). I'm not very technical but it's definitely been downgraded since then.
 
Yep. They've improved some assets and messed with others. Over-all the lighting and certain effects seem to have taken a hit if not disappeared. But I can deal with that. Still getting a witcher game.
 

ironcreed

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This isn't a matter of opinions.

You're telling me that the game looks better now because they changed the color pallet, even though it's technically less impressive. That's asinine.

You can like the new art style all you want but that doesn't change the fact that it used to look technically better before they downgraded the graphics.

I said I like the look better, as opposed to the more washed out look it had. But yes, I have seen some areas where I think it looks improved and overall it is close enough to the target render that I am over the moon with how it looks. Sorry if you are not.
 

Crossing Eden

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Found this over on the official forums. I thought it was pretty funny.

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But but, the game was downgraded everywhere! Blanket statements and outrage are key! I like how you can also see the foliage variety in that pic. News flash for the uninformed, not every area has the exact same foliage. Wtf with the OP not replacing the compressed to hell images with actual valid comparison shots?
 

zufuel

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I said I like the look better, as opposed to the more washed out look it had. But yes, I have seen some areas where I think it looks improved and overall it is close enough to the target render that I am over the moon with how it looks. Sorry if you are not.

You are not alone. I think the same
 

dlauv

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I think that ugly recent trailer put a damper on things. Many of the gameplay trailers before that looked a lot better and had more admirable draw distance and lod. I thought the carnage trailer was on console.
 

SaberEdge

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he probably means all plant life, including tress. by lighting he probly means the shading of surfaces and how light seems to transmit through the sky. foliage in general looks poor now, and the volume based translucency looks nothing like what the term should imply.

Ok, instead of more unsupported statements from you, please show us examples of this greatly superior tree foliage in the older footage.

The volume based translucency, light shafts and other aspects of the lighting are the same. I'd love to see solid evidence to the contrary.
 
I can see the differences in some of the screenshots provided. Not denying that. With that said though I think they just shot a little high initially, a mistake that seems to be becoming a little too common.

The game still looks absolutely fantastic in my opinion and I look forward to seeing it and playing it for myself come release.
 
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