Petrae
Member
Damn. Well, there you have it. I guess.
EDIT: Fished in. I always fall for this.
IGN: Splatoon's lack of voice chat is "cheap and lazy"
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Damn. Well, there you have it. I guess.
EDIT: Fished in. I always fall for this.
Zombie James
Banned
Nintendo will ban you if you give out your friend code? Friend codes still exist? Holy fuck.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
Yep, and as a reminder for people. There have been people parroting that there are 12 year olds in games like CoD and Battlefield, a game with voice chat. Splatoon doesn't, for a system comprised of mostly adults.
Every company has their group on this site, no doubts about it, but you guys aren't being profound or anything by drawing attention to the same cluster of posters. The thread's lost its purpose really, and now it's turning into people (including you) quoting Gonzo's post and adding the oh-so-insightful "This", "Yup", or any other variant.
You either fall into the camps of agree, disagree, or indifference. Let the ridiculous sides of each respective camp display themselves, there's no need to devolve into just calling people out and patting like-minded posters on the back for further derailment and fuckery.
R_thanatos
Member
I disagree and you can avatar_quote me on that ( de geso )
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
There's probably infinitely more kids that play Call of Duty than will play Splatoon.
Should Call of Duty not include voice chat as well?
Should Call of Duty not include voice chat as well?
Rebel Leader
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Gucci Messiah
Banned
I'm disappointed that Nintendo continues to unnecessarily gimp their products because they are out of touch with the modern consumer
I think it'd greatly improve the franchises current image of children screaming into mics while shooting people.
You walked into this one man.
Seth Enosh
Member
It's not really a surprise that kids aren't buying games on eshop with their non-existent credit cards. Considering eShop sales for retail titles are usually <20% of the total sales (right? that's what I remember from various NPD threads anyway) I don't think those demographics can be extrapolated to all Wii U owners.
That said, the director of this game has already explained the reason for not including voice chat. Not because it is "cheap", "lazy", "bandwidth" or "protects kids" or any of the other things said in this thread, but because he wants to completely avoid online toxicity and attract those who had bad experiences in other games that had voice chat. This was stated in an official interview with Edge:
Also I don't think IGN's article added anything to this thread, as opposed to the 2 or 3 previous threads we had after the Edge interview. This has basically been the same thread and same discussion over and over again. I don't think any new information will happen to change this discussion until nintendo reveals more details about the August update and we find out if there are any communication options for the Custom Teams 4 or 8 man party system (Edit: or nintendo reveals a party chat system as a surprise at e3 or something. we can hope, right?).
Little bit of both. The jury's still out on the latter, I've seen just as many people say they think it would as others who've said it wouldn't. Personally, I think it would be great with friends if only because what games with friends don't get more fun when you banter?
I still think one of the major takeaways about it in the context of this game in particular is that it probably wouldn't have had this much of a profound reaction if people didn't legitimately care about this game and it's lasting qualities.
Expectations I think. The dominant argument seems to be it's 2015 and every other shooter imaginable that includes a competitive multiplayer HAS to include voice chat. No excuses as they would say.
Better coordination and not having to resort to external devices for VC. Read the thread.
Was thinking of posting an angry post, I won't. Only one thing: IGN (and bad journalism in general) is one of the odds the good, healthy part of this industry, which still cares about refined game design and about quality, has to fight.
You can think whatever you want about the decision, but calling it "lazy and cheap" is stupid and insulting, given how much the developer care about the game. Everyone who has truly followed SPlatoon knows that it has nothing to do whit lazy game design, knows how much effort the team put on every single detail. Not acknowledging that is stupid and, imo, damages the whole industry.
Maybe Nintendo forced them to omit voice chat, maybe it's a gameplay choice for real. Anyways one thing it's certain: it wasn't a superficial decision, nor was it "lazy".
You can think whatever you want about the decision, but calling it "lazy and cheap" is stupid and insulting, given how much the developer care about the game. Everyone who has truly followed SPlatoon knows that it has nothing to do whit lazy game design, knows how much effort the team put on every single detail. Not acknowledging that is stupid and, imo, damages the whole industry.
Maybe Nintendo forced them to omit voice chat, maybe it's a gameplay choice for real. Anyways one thing it's certain: it wasn't a superficial decision, nor was it "lazy".
Okay, but now explain Wii U Chat.
Kids can add any random person on Miiverse as their "friend" correct? They can add strangers as their friends without parents knowing. Which means, any stranger can contact your kids through Wii U Chat.
What is the difference between strangers requesting a video chat with your kids through "Wii U Chat" and strangers chatting with you during Splatoon? Because let's be honest here... kids are going to meet strangers on Miiverse, and they will add them as friends.
If you can set up parental controls for Wii U video Chat, then why aren't there parental controls for in-game voice chat?
Throwaway123456789
Member
Actually, Nintendo is suffering a pretty damn big backlash from all of those in the form of abysmal sales.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I don't really care about bending people to my position. People defending this are already far too illogical for me to care about changing their opinion. Neither Nintendo, nor anyone in this thread has come up with a good reason for this feature to be left out.
Literally all of the complaints about harassment and privacy have been taken care of on other consoles, so to use it as a reason here is pointless. And other opinions like "The action is too fast paced for voice chat." are so laughably illogical that it's not worth trying to reason with those people.
Yeah. You could say that too. It's part of being in 2015. Isn't it natural to just assume these things as part of what comes with "voice chat"?
PreyingShark
Member
Of course they still exist on the 3DS, it was created before NNIDs.
shaowebb
Member
Lack of voicechat is a bonus in my eyes. Last thing I want is to be in an arena putting up with the bullshit on a nintendo shooter that I would in a Call of Duty game. Keeps the aesthetic from being tainted by folks having too much fun by acting like assholes on the microphone because they have a small degree of anonymity.
Nintendo still thinks of themselves as a toy company...in this instance where they have a very 90's Nickelodeon style game I think its a good thing they did something like not having voice chat so that folks can't ruin that feeling of childish fun by calling each other the N word and swearing every two seconds.
Nintendo still thinks of themselves as a toy company...in this instance where they have a very 90's Nickelodeon style game I think its a good thing they did something like not having voice chat so that folks can't ruin that feeling of childish fun by calling each other the N word and swearing every two seconds.
A conscious and intentional design decision you say? Can't be. That's just covering up for his incompetence and all of nintendo's
Good to know that you realize it's self explanatory then as to why people want VC.
Can you not just turn 'mute all' on?
Rebel Leader
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What if the voice chat was locked to friends only?
UncleSporky
Member
The best excuse is keeping the people with bad ping from having even more connection issues because they also insist on voice chatting.
Seriously, we know that Nintendo CAN do voice chat (lobbies in MK8), that it works fine being friend-only, and that they have always chosen to keep voice chat out of the game while actively playing it.
That just screams wanting to keep the gameplay smooth.
No stop, we just got them to take away friend codes. If they realize their error we'll go back to the dark ages.
Because the game was built from the ground up not to need it. It is completely unnecessaty, there is no intelligence you can disseminate that isnt already given to every player, faster, and more accurately.
Literally the ONLY thing vo would bring to the table is the ability for you to tell other people how YOU want THEM to play, and that is what this shit fest is about.
Sure, but if that's the case, I'm not sure why you're addressing me? My point is if the devs don't want it, they won't put it in. I already said you can justify either side, but it's up to the dev in the end. Do you disagree with that?
There's nothing illogical about having a differing opinion. There are some people who are a bit weird and go a bit far in their defense but to brand anyone who disagrees with you as some outlandish cult is borderline harassment. Some people just don't want or care about voice chat. This shouldn't be a massive point of debate or argument yet quite a few of the usual suspects decided to show up and use another thread as an opportunity to remind everyone that they hate Nintendo's "backwards policies," that anyone who disagrees with them are part of some "defense force," listing Wii U sales, etc. Hell I'm surprised Gonzo didn't just make a new thread about this like he usually does.
If you want to have a good discussion about something, you need to can the fucking hostility and tribalist bullshit. This has gone on too far and needs to stop.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Again. Your mistake is assuming that the only reason people voice chat is for strategic purposes. I like voice chat because I like bullshitting with my friends while playing video games, and there is zero reason to leave the feature out, even if it's not something that YOU would personally use.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
I feel like you've never even played Call of Duty but are one of those people that feels the need to constantly complain about it. Most of the time you don't hear people talking because they are in party chat with their friends, and even if you do run into an annoying person, it's very simple to mute them. I am blown away that you seem to think removing options is a good thing when there are multiple easy ways to alleviate the problems (excuses in my eyes) that people raise when voice chat is brought up in Nintendo games. Did the thought even cross your mind that restricting communication to people on your friends list could avoid the issues you bring up or are you still in full blown "think of the children" mode?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I think he addresses it that way since that is what a lot of people bring up as being lost.
The real loss is the friendly banter with friends, which should be an OS level option.
Those are unreliable and you know it. The source is biased towards showing parents and their information rather than the kids under said parents. There is a very large children's demographic on the WiiU, that's why the kids games are still being made (LEGO) and why they keep selling well in spite of every other third party title being abysmal.
For shame!
Rebel Leader
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Nintendo literally protecting the 1%
The issue people keep having is you don't have to like it. You include the option, allow people to turn it off. Everyone can have their preference. No one loses, except parents who are too incompetent to actually parent.
The weirdness keeps coming in why people are defending not even having the OPTION, as if the mere fact the option exists would somehow infringe on their ability not to use/like said option.
When people talk to each other online they usually do more than just talk strategy. If this game was built from the ground up to alienate the very audience it's targeting then they've done a bang up job.
Isn't that eShop purchasing statistics? You do realise that'd be skewed, right?
Different people woke up.
This is reasonable, but perhaps would encourage everyone to feel like they needed to 'party up' and friend everyone in order to be as competitive as those with voice chat. Voice chat for friends outside of the arena should be there like Mario Kart though. (No excuse)
I'm not sure this decision will be the most profitable, but I think they are trying to set the game in its own territory. They will need mega marketing to attract the crowd offended by current console shooters though. My guess is with the Wii U failing and their track record of marketing that the game doesn't find its place as the most causal friendly shooter on the market.
People with good connections will use VC and those without will turn off VC to reduce latency. Isn't that how it works?
krypt0nian
Banned
Just give it up, nothing will change their opinion. You have no power here, etc.
Any other crazy stuff like that guy saying splatoon is like a real war?
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
It's a quote from Dark Souls creator Hayo Miyazaki.