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[erawsd]

Glad I'm not as nitpicky as some here. Who cares how the game looked then? It looked better before in theory and it still looks very good now. That's the graphical fidelity they managed to pull off with a good framerate. No need to wish for anything else. Also, don't trust any early footage

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except Nintendo's

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and keep your expectations in check.

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To be fair, Nintendo is the ultimate innovator... they practically invented the downgrade back in 1996.

 

[gatti-man]

Boy, that imaginary dollar amount just keeps getting lower each year doesn't it?

Yeah I have all platforms. If you have $400 you get an xbone or ps4 if you want games. It's the best value.

 

[Sijil]

Man all of you are killing my anticipation for the game, I'll be avoiding this thread for the foreseeable future lol.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Downgrade has hurt my trust in CDProject and any Future Titles they might be working on, if they outright said *Well we had to Downgrade the game sorry guys!* It would still be a big deal but at least they didn't outright lie and continue on saying *No Downgrade Guys everything is fine keep Pre ordering the game* While pushing out their Expansion Pass. Love how people Defended it as well, *Nah its cool buy the Expansion Pass you can totally trust CDProject!*

Arbitrary capitalization of words aside, that's a good point. CDPR is not handling this well, they should be more honest. Like "we had to make some sacrifices to keep better performance". Okay, yeah this happens. In fact, any downgrade that shows up at all is probably caused by this, they obviously don't downgrade just to piss people off. But denying it is kinda douchey.

(But seriously, why do you Capitalize random Words? It's Weird.)

and I just laugh because anyone with half a brain knows that screenshot is such a poor representation of the game. Saying things like how TW3 looks worse than TW2 just makes you look like a moron. It'll be interesting to see if CDPR eventually responds to this because they do care about their image to the fans and this subject has generated so much attention.

Yeah that's just dumb. Cherry-picked screenshots really don't prove shit, especially in such a large game.

 

[Circinus]

Game definitely looks beautiful regardless. Especially considering it's a very large open-world

The vegetation definitely looks of lower quality compared to the debut trailer though.



Also I'm not sure if it's allowed to ask for this, but why did Crossing Eden get banned? I liked his posts a lot.

 

[Übermatik]

 

[Sanctuary]

Yeah I have all platforms. If you have $400 you get an xbone or ps4 if you want games. It's the best value.

They are probably just parroting the $300 Chinese Steam Machine (when most of the non Chinese versions are $500+). Good luck getting it for that amount in the US.

 

[valkyre]

Boy, that imaginary dollar amount just keeps getting lower each year doesn't it?

Yeah next thing you know those Ps4/xb1 would actually perform worse than a 10$ PC by next year...

 

[bananafactory]

Also I'm not sure if it's allowed to ask for this, but why did Crossing Eden get banned? I liked his posts a lot.

I dont know why he was banned, but if I had to guess

A) His constant discussion/defending of ACU in almost every thread that can somehow be remotely relevant to it

B) His attitude which comes across as very dismissive/condescending and at times even stubborn and angry. Guy just doesn't let things go, ever, and always has to get his 2 cents in

 

[Dictator93]

Game definitely looks beautiful regardless. Especially considering it's a very large open-world

The vegetation definitely looks of lower quality compared to the debut trailer though.



Also I'm not sure if it's allowed to ask for this, but why did Crossing Eden get banned? I liked his posts a lot.

I doubt it was a perma.

 

[HeelPower]

I dunno if that changes anything(likely won't) ,but I'll just throw these out here.Recent screenshots.

 

[Dinjooh]

Obviously different time of day and weather, we need a better comparison, but the sailing through storms shown in the 2013-2014 trailers with that kind of water is what I was looking forward too most.
If the final version on PC and PS4 doesn't end up being close, then that would be truly disappointing.

Oh if those kind of waves are in, this game will be nightmare fuel for the wife.

 

[CambriaRising]

If you are following this thread, don't you think the opposite is being said with equal conviction too? There's all kinds of mental gymnastics happening on both sides of the debate. In any case, it should't be surprising. People are about to shell out money for the game and panicking over potential downgrades isn't anything new. As much as I think we are jumping to conclusions, I find it understandable that we are. It's not like we don't have enough recent official footage to judge them on their own merit without needing to compare. My personal take is that significant cutbacks have taken place in certain aspects and some improvements in others (especially character modeling). It's mostly "gut feel" and I refuse to defend it without a 1:1 comparison, but it's difficult to not have an opinion on it after seeing so much footage and screenshots on a daily basis.



This is probably what happened. They were simply not able to maintain a single code base for 3 platforms, 2 of them with fixed hardware, without making tradeoffs. I think it's understandable if CDPR admitted said tradeoffs. Instead we are stuck in a loop because they claimed there have been no visual cut backs. I'm not going to get my pitchfork out for it, if it turns out that they lied, but it still deserves calling out so that we see some improvement in the way products are marketed to us in the future. If downgrades are to be acknowledged and accepted by consumers, because shit happens, then may be it should be duly acknowledged by producers too. This is a 2-way street after all.

Good post.

 

[JackHerer]

Oh if those kind of waves are in, this game will be nightmare fuel for the wife.

With the amount of change we see on land with high-winds/rain I would be surprised if they didn't include some really epic storms/waves at sea.

 

[Dictator93]

Good post.

Indeed. ANd I hope to test the downgrade claim for real with a proper thread and with proper screens.

This time, I will not feign out due to the work load. (My graphics thread actually has a banner and a first post, but I haven't posted it yet)

 

[Trojan]

Not surprised this thread got massive lol.

TW3 is the best looking open world game yet. And I'm also glad they dropped the art style of the earlier footage. Colours are great, I wish more games used them. But yes, the game has been downgraded in a few ways. As many have pointed out, the draw distance and foliage quality have taken a big hit. A shame that this had to be done for PC as well, but hopefully the modding tools are strong enough so that those issues can be addressed.

The 35 min gameplay demo was imo the best the game has looked (even though that was when most people were first noticing the "downgrades"). I suggest people watch the uncompressed footage again. The main thing I notice is the lighting engine, especially how it interacts with foliage.



Hard to explain, but the bottom image doesn't seem to give the same impression of sunlight and how the foliage is highlighted by the sun. Shadows are also darker and don't seem to use GI (not sure if that's the correct term) like the top image.

There were other things that might have just been in my head like better DOF in conversations, better interior lighting, etc but that stuff is pretty difficult to compare until we have the game.

Even though the game still looks amazing, it's not a reason why we can't be disappointed with how CDPR have handled things. Saying things like "there were no downgrades" or "ultra settings will be a slap to the face" is really not something the fans want to hear from a company that has in the past been pretty honest. With that said, I think most of the comparisons the fans have done are fucking nonsense. Like completely idiotic. I see something like this



and I just laugh because anyone with half a brain knows that screenshot is such a poor representation of the game. Saying things like how TW3 looks worse than TW2 just makes you look like a moron. It'll be interesting to see if CDPR eventually responds to this because they do care about their image to the fans and this subject has generated so much attention.

Great post.

 

[tuxfool]

I study Game design at University.
We work with 980's and 970's and they are extremely capable Graphics Cards.

Have you run benchmarks on the 2013 builds they demonstrated?
What if what they demonstrated were small vertical slices of the game?

Personally, I think there is some hubris in stating with such certainty what they can or cannot do or even what they should or should not do. Have you ever programmed a game engine? Do you have experience with their engine? Their middleware? Do you know how that studio operates internally?

 

[tuxfool]

Supersampling increases the density and variety of grass does it?

You are presuming that the density of the grass is the same everywhere. The screens you posted were of completely different locations. My statement only pertained to the apparent quality of the grass textures.

 

[viveks86]

Indeed. ANd I hope to test the downgrade claim for real with a proper thread and with proper screens.

This time, I will not feign out due to the work load. (My graphics thread actually has a banner and a first post, but I haven't posted it yet)

It's gonna be very interesting. Downgrade or not, I can't wait to see these at 4k60.

Instead, people are comparing the worst of witcher 3 with the best of witcher 2. It's impossible to take them seriously after that.

 

[SaberEdge]

Haha. No I'm not annoyed. We've just been through so many pages that it seems counter productive to bring up that particular comparison under any context. Not many people are aware that they were taken down and it leads to uninformed discussions. We have enough of those as it is

I see what you mean and I agree with you.

 

[visiblemode]

It's times like this I'm grateful for the deep-seated skepticism the games industry has ingrained into me, with regards to "early footage."

This way, I'm rarely disappointed and occasionally even pleasantly surprised.

 

[Dictator93]

It's gonna be very interesting. Downgrade or not, I can't wait to see these at 4k60.

I actually may end up needing some screens from your rig and elsewhere so... keep a keen eye on your PMs

 

[banefirelord]

Well, on the plus side, the HD remaster on X4 and PS5 is gonna be baller.

 

[viveks86]

I actually may end up needing some screens from your rig and elsewhere so... keep a keen eye on your PMs

Roger that! I think day 1 will be dedicated to just tuning and screenshots. I doubt I'd get past wild orchard though. lol

 

[alife]

Boy, that imaginary dollar amount just keeps getting lower each year doesn't it?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-grand-theft-auto-5-pc-performance

"The GTX 750 Ti paired with the i3-3410 is a real success, for example - a combo that forms part of a circa-£300 PC, where 1080p60 at high settings is very doable."

You've been Harvey Specter'ed.

Yeah I have all platforms. If you have $400 you get an xbone or ps4 if you want games. It's the best value.

"Enjoy exclusives on consoles and multi-platform titles on PC" is what you should have said.

 

[tuxfool]

Roger that! I think day 1 will be dedicated to just tuning and screenshots. I doubt I'd get past wild orchard though. lol

You have a duty to get out of White Orchard. That place is played out.

 

[Jonnax]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-grand-theft-auto-5-pc-performance

"The GTX 750 Ti paired with the i3-3410 is a real success, for example - a combo that forms part of a circa-£300 PC, where 1080p60 at high settings is very doable."

You've been Harvey Specter'ed.



"Enjoy exclusives on consoles and multi-platform titles on PC" is what you should have said.

Lol. £300 is around $460 dollars. You see a £ isn't another way of writing $.

 

[banefirelord]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-grand-theft-auto-5-pc-performance

"The GTX 750 Ti paired with the i3-3410 is a real success, for example - a combo that forms part of a circa-£300 PC, where 1080p60 at high settings is very doable."

You've been Harvey Specter'ed.



"Enjoy exclusives on consoles and multi-platform titles on PC" is what you should have said.

£300 is not $300.

 

[alife]

Lol. £300 is around $460 dollars. You see a £ isn't another way of writing $.

I'm aware of the existence of euros. If you hunt around in the U.S. especially if you have spare parts lying around, $300 isn't far from the truth.

Lol @ these people not figuring out the point of my post. No shit there is a difference between euros and $.

 

[viveks86]

You have a duty to get out of White Orchard. That place is played out.

Yeah. We'll see. They said 2-3 hours of gameplay there right? Or was it more?

 

[Kama_1082]

I have no proof, nor a list, nor concrete information about how was the PS4 engineered, but if so... yeah those 30+ devs picked up pretty shitty hardware specs

When you have $300 PCs already outperforming consoles... damnn... We are up to a 10 year cycle of downgrades.

can you link me to the $300 PC because I sure as hell feel ripped off for the $800 I spent on my i5 4690 and GTX 970 build

 

[erawsd]

Yeah. We'll see. They said 2-3 hours of gameplay there right? Or was it more?

Yeah if you stick to just the main stuff. ~5-6 if you do it all.

 

[Kama_1082]

so is White Orchard the equivalent to the Hinterlands?

 

[Chariot]

I'm aware of the existence of euros. If you hunt around in the U.S. especially if you have spare parts lying around, $300 isn't far from the truth.

Lol @ these people not figuring out the point of my post. No shit there is a difference between euros and $.

Those aren't euros either, friend.

 

[RulkezX]

I'm aware of the existence of euros. If you hunt around in the U.S. especially if you have spare parts lying around, $300 isn't far from the truth.

Lol @ these people not figuring out the point of my post. No shit there is a difference between euros and $.

What point , you posted a link to an article with a quote saying £300 PC ( that's £'s by the way , not $ or even €'s) is comparable to the consoles.

The same article lists the cpu and gpu at £200. Good Luck getting the mouse /keyboard / pad / mat / monitor / memory / hdd / speakers or cans etc etc etc for the remaining £100

 

[Dictator93]

What point , you posted a link to an article with a quote saying £300 PC ( that's £'s by the way , not $ or even €'s) is comparable to the consoles.

The same article lists the cpu and gpu at £200. Good Luck getting the mouse /keyboard / pad / mat / monitor / memory / hdd / speakers or cans etc etc etc for the remaining £100

DId your PS4 come with a TV and speakers? Shit I want that PS4.

 

[Tovarisc]

so is White Orchard the equivalent to the Hinterlands?

Pretty much.

 

[Kama_1082]

Those aren't euros either, friend.

 

[Gormenghast]

can you link me to the $300 PC because I sure as hell feel ripped off for the $800 I spent on my i5 4690 and GTX 970 build

How $800 is even possible? the i5 + 970 is at least $550 that leaves $250 for motherboard, memory, power supply, hard drive, case, mouse, keyboard.

 

[RulkezX]

DId your PS4 come with a TV and speakers? Shit I want that PS4.

Stupid point.

You would be hard pressed to find a house without a fucking TV.

Does every house have a desktop In it in 2015 ? Swap monitor for case and PSU if it makes you happier , the point still stands.

 

[EmptySpace]

2013 trailer is most likely a concept video/target render that is running in real time on an environment they made for internal and/or marketing.

games don't have "finished" assets, code, effects two years before release let alone optimised code to be running on consumer hardware.

that "gameplay trailer" is what they were aiming for as their final product.

anyone claiming "lol downgrade" simply don't know how software dev works. they don't have a finished product two years before release and take things out "because lol consoles because lol liars".

 

[erawsd]

so is White Orchard the equivalent to the Hinterlands?

Kinda, in the sense that its the area where you'll learn the ins and outs of the game. Based on impressions it does seem much more cohesive and it has a proper end where you are led out of the area.

 

[Dictator93]

Stupid point.

You would be hard pressed to find a house without a fucking TV.

Does every house have a desktop In it in 2015 ? Swap monitor for case and PSU if it makes you happier , the point still stands.

You forgot the house and room for the PS4 and PC as well (pcs need bigger houses). As well as the power bill differences and the anti-static bands.

 

[EmptySpace]

How $800 is even possible? the i5 + 970 is at least $550 that leaves $250 for motherboard, memory, power supply, hard drive, case, mouse, keyboard.

i5 4690k and 970 here in canada are combined 700 bucks after taxes.

maybe he's talking about cpu and gpu only?

 

[Fezan]

Wait when did this thread turned into PC vs Console discussion

 

[baconcow]

I'm aware of the existence of euros. If you hunt around in the U.S. especially if you have spare parts lying around, $300 isn't far from the truth.

Lol @ these people not figuring out the point of my post. No shit there is a difference between euros and $.

Not really $300 either if using spare parts lying around. Those cost, too.

 

[alife]

Those aren't euros either, friend.

British pound*. I'm sitting 10 feet away from my screen (Oh boo hoo, I made a mistake. How many people on here confuse "your" and "you're"? lol. Let's not reach for hairs.) Regardless, $300 is possible. Went to PC Part Picker and got an i3, GTX 750 Ti, Gigabyte motherboard, 4GB DDR3 1600, and a power supply for a little over 300 bucks. Who doesn't have a spare shitty HDD and mouse + keyboard? As for the case, go get some old beat up piece of shit from a friend.

 

[erawsd]

How $800 is even possible? the i5 + 970 is at least $550 that leaves $250 for motherboard, memory, power supply, hard drive, case, mouse, keyboard.

It depends. If you already have a desktop then you probably already have a hard drive, case, mouse, keyboard, monitor, and maybe even power supply that will suffice. It all depends on the last time you actually upgraded. Last time I upgraded was 3 years ago and all I need is CPU+GPU+Mobo.

 

[Gormenghast]

that "gameplay trailer" is what they were aiming for as their final product.

anyone claiming "lol downgrade" simply don't know how software dev works. they don't have a finished product two years before release and take things out "because lol consoles because lol liars".

FYI a "downgrade" is exactly that. It means aiming for something you know you can't realistically deliver.

 

[Kama_1082]

How $800 is even possible? the i5 + 970 is at least $550 that leaves $250 for motherboard, memory, power supply, hard drive, case, mouse, keyboard.

I already had a case, keyboard, mouse.