Yellowtail
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She already lost one election due to the Iraq War.
It's just about the last topic she will ever want to bring up.
Jeb Bush says, like his brother, he would have gone to war with Iraq
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She already lost one election due to the Iraq War.
It's just about the last topic she will ever want to bring up.
I was 16 years old at the time and even I could tell intelligence was being blatantly cherry-picked to support a pre-supposition. The whole conflict was so... unprovoked. Absolutely nothing changed on Saddam's end in the whole lead-up to war.
elrechazado
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Hillary who actually voted for the war? That Hillary?
Change it to: Any liberal special interest group can use that sound byte as much as they want.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I'm not even surprised about that, I've seen far dumber things happen on the political stage.
Yeah. I mean he didn't leave great comments but they seemed harmless.
elrechazado
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Reading his posts he was passionate sand articulate. Disagree with him, but that was incredibly tame.
Zvonimir Boban
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Using 500 words where 50 will do does not make his bullshit any less nonsensical.
if nonsense got you banned, this place would be dead.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yeah, I'm not sure that was ban-worthy. Unless there is something we are missing or not privy too.
I think it was inevitable though.
No. But as always, if you want to complain about moderation, do so via PM.
Zvonimir Boban
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Nonsense is great, as long as it's succinct. Don't try and camouflage it amongst paragraphs and paragraphs of drivel, hoping that people will ignore most of it and just go "hmmm, dude wrote a lot so he probably knows what he's talking about"
ItWasMeantToBe19
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#EmptyVessel
adamsappel
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You're welcome to think EmptyVessel misguided, but he's certainly not dumb.
shadowsdarknes
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Being progressive is about admitting you were wrong and that you want to learn from your mistakes.
Jeb is making his brother his advisor.
Jeb isn't trying to distance himself from this. Hillary still can.
RustyNails
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Empty Vessel is smarter than probably all of neogaf combined especially when it comes to monetary economics.
She isn't doubling down for one. She doesnt have to be the one to hammer that point. Let the PAC's and liberal groups make that case.
She also has the cover of making the case that she was at the mercy of the Bush administrations intentionally deceptive intelligence that painted a false narrative to lawmakers.
That she is wise enough to not then turn around and put the man who is responsible for one of the most horrible executive actions of the 20th century as an advisor.
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
I am not American, so maybe I am missing the context, but what is wrong about that statement?
Besthelboy
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"Torture used to extract false information to justify Iraq War
Buried in footnote 857 of the report is this remarkable account of how the CIA rendered a detainee to an unknown country, had him tortured, and then used the false information he provided about Saddams WMDs and alliance with al Qaeda to justify the U.S. attack, including information used by Colin Powell at his notorious 2003 U.N. speech (via Sam Husseini):
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/09/live-coverage-release-senate-torture-report/
I think not....
Jeb Bush is doing everything he can to give the Democrats the presidency. And yet, liberals are still afraid that Bernie Sanders can't beat what the GOP is offering up. LOL. If liberals don't choose Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee then liberals lose the right to complain about Wall Street and all matters where big money is a factor. Seriously, you can't complain about a problem when the solution is offered up and you vote against it.
Doesn't change how deliberately obtuse he is on other topics. He's outright intellectually dishonest so he can continue to believe his warped fantasies. You might not be familiar with his insane mental gymnastics in all the closed Ukraine threads. I can certainly see how you would have a favorable opinion of him if all you read from him was confined to poligaf.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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America: More at fault than Russia for the Ukrainian invasion and the shooting down of that civilian aircraft.
In EV's world at least.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Ban evasion / alt.
Zvonimir Boban
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Because it perfectly encapsulates the desire to give off this image of being a bad ass action hero over actually doing the right thing.
Brown people with beards and funny sounding names are guilty until proven innocent. No need for evidence or due process, just drone strike the shit out of a village because you can hand wave it away with minimal public outcry.
Twenty people died? They're trying to claim we hit a wedding party? Don't worry, it was in Pakistan. You know who else was in Pakistan? Bin Laden, ergo everyone in Pakistan is Al Qaeda. Better fire another Hellfire missile or two just to be safe.
Hillary is not a progressive. Give me a lifelong progressive over someone who "got smart" at age 61 anyday.
Anyone that was for the Iraq war was either a self interested gangmember (Bush Administration) or a goober who took the racist baiting. "Brown people, bad, scary!" was all it took to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Hilldawg is a goober.
The guy who kept falling for crude propaganda and couldn't argue a point without claiming bourgeoisie conspiracy? Ok, then.
If a dictator's atrocities against their citizens give us all the reason we need to invade, then we should be invading a whole lot more countries. Many African nations should be US. North Korea should be US. Many more.
Saddam being a brutal asshole is not a valid reason to topple the nation's entire government to force a completely different governing style and then cross fingers that it works.
Saddam being a brutal asshole is not a valid reason to topple the nation's entire government to force a completely different governing style and then cross fingers that it works.
PhoenixDark
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She voted for the war. I guess on the bright side she at least admits it was a mistake. So while she can't win that debate as well as Obama did in 2008, she'll still win it. I'm amazed republicans can't admit reality on this. But then again this is textbook neoconservative bullshit: never admit mistakes because doing so allegedly shows weakness.
CadetMahoney
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isn't that why they said "weps of mass destruction / chemicals" or whatever for further justification?
Bernie Sanders would just win it outright.
He cant. Good thing he wont be the nominee.
diffusionx
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Doesn't surprise me. Jeb's entire foreign policy team is basically W's. He's listening to the same liars and crooks that got us into Iraq.
That alone is a dealbreaker for me. He'll never get my vote.
That alone is a dealbreaker for me. He'll never get my vote.
Him not being the nominee is only good if you want to continue the status quo of letting big money buy elections. Hillary is not a threat to the status quo.
If Sanders isn't the nominee, then anyone who didn't vote for him loses the right to complain about almost every liberal domestic issue in the country.
Lol what?
I said, "Him not being the nominee is only good if you want to continue the status quo of letting big money buy elections. Hillary is not a threat to the status quo.
If Sanders isn't the nominee, then anyone who didn't vote for him loses the right to complain about almost every liberal domestic issue in the country."
onadesertedisland
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Yeah, but they made a lot of money.
Oh Dont worry my friend. I wont be complaining. I am confident my girl Hillary will deliver with reasonable expectations.
PhoenixDark
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Sanders wouldn't be able to do much of anything with a republican house and senate. And that's assuming he became president - he won't. He's unelectable.
CassidyIzABeast
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I understand holding your brother down but Jeb, we not trying to hear about how you would have done things the same way that universally hated president did it.
TheLostBigBoss
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ROFL.
A whole decade to mull over and he said he would still go.
A day after getting told by a college student he says he wouldn't.
TacticalFox88
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This type of naive idealism is dangerous smh
PhoenixDark
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haha wow
Just yesterday he refused to give an answer because answering would dishonor the troops. So now...?
Bam Bam Baklava
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It's almost like he just woke up and decided to start a campaign. Whose running his campaign if they thought the Iraq decision wouldn't come up and didn't plan for it properly.
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