Tom Brady suspended for 4 games; Patriots lose first-round draft pick; fined $1 mil

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Gigglepoo said:
Was it really? Every team in the league tries to hurt the other team's players. The Saints were dumb and loud about it, but I hardly think they're unique. Remember when Tony Siragusa purposely flattened Rich Gannon? I'm sure everyone on the Ravens were devastated by that. Devastated.



I brought up my theory that coaches know about PED abuse because someone said Belickick should have known about the deflated balls and that's why it's an organizational falling. It doesn't make sense to me that Brady deflating footballs should be treated as a team problem while PED offenders aren't.
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If the deflated footballs affected Brady only I think you would have a point. PED use affects the user only. The entire offense stands to benefit from under inflated balls.
 
Wait a minute. If the Pats save $2m in salary due to Brady missing four games and have to pay $1m to the league ... do they actually make a profit in the end lol?
 
LyleLanley said:
The NFL has a well-documented history of making poor disciplinary decisions that often are overturned when truly independent and neutral judges or arbitrators preside, and a former federal judge has found the commissioner has abused his discretion in the past, so this outcome does not surprise me. Sadly, today’s decision diminishes the NFL as it tells its fans, players and coaches that the games on the field don’t count as much as the games played on Park Avenue.”
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What a joke from this agent.

He's right they made a poor judgement. An independent panel would've levied a harsher penalty tan the 1st draft ban. Be glad your cash cow isn't banned for the season or doesn't have to take those 4 games off during the playoffs.
 
chadskin said:
Wait a minute. If the Pats save $2m in salary due to Brady missing four games and have to pay $1m to the league ... do they actually make a profit in the end lol?
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Roger Goodell Is A Shit-Eating Moron - Deadspin

Now you know. Now you know that, in Roger Goodell’s batshit crazy universe, the greatest crime of all is defying authority. Tom Brady just got locked in the attic for four games this fall, and it wasn’t REALLY because he dicked around with the ball (a crime that, as already noted in many other places, has been met with a relative slap on the wrist elsewhere), but because—and here I will use the wording of the letter Troy Vincent had dictated to him by Goodell—the Patriots QB “failed to cooperate fully with the investigation.”

That’s what costs you four games and $2 million in salary in today’s NFL. This is because Roger Goodell is a shit-eating moron. Under his watch, the NFL has adopted the very American legal tradition of manufacturing crime out of crime. You can take a small crime—any crime, really—and you can inflate it by making the PROCESS of pursuing that crime utterly sacrosanct, to the point where an entity like the NFL says, with a straight face, that “The extent to which the club and relevant individuals cooperated with the investigation” is somehow one of the most important factors in determining if a man—even one as wildly successful and wealthy as Tom Brady—should be allowed pursue his livelihood and collect his paycheck.
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More at the link.
 
braves01 said:
Lol, someone please tell me that would be the case
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It makes sense. Brady has a base salary of $8,000,000 which works out to $500,000 a game.

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Supposedly they still have to pay that money to the NFL which will then donate it to charity. Not sure how true this is.
 
LyleLanley said:
I really don't think a deflated football is worth a first and fourth round pick plus the loss of your QB for a quarter of the season.
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They weren't fined for the crime, they were fined because Kraft crucified Goodell in the media and demanded an apology. Deadspin can be obnoxious as shit, but they are completely right that the worst crime of all is hurting Roger Goodell's feelings. Ask Bill Simmons who basically got fired for calling him out for being so terrible at his job.
 
Pretty fair punishment IMO. And it hurts everyone from the owner, the GM, and the overall team.

1M is nothing but yet again this hurts Kraft's reputation.

1st round pick hurts the Pats moving forward - especially if the miss the playoffs and would be picking in the top 15.

4 game suspension changes the dynamics of the AFCE and hell the whole AFC completely to the point I completely expect Miami or Buff to win the division.

Good job NFL. I thought it would be a 1 game suspension with no other penalties for the coach/owner/team.
 
JJDinomite said:
What your team did was far worse.
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TheLostBigBoss said:
Stay out of this, your team tried to fucking kill people.
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I'm the rare Saints fan who thinks we deserved what we got - and, you know, New England has a player that actually killed someone. My point is Pats fans thinking this is any sort of "punishment" is hilarious. You lose pocket change, probably a late pick in the first and a mid-rounder the following year? Sure, the league's out to get you. Keep telling yourself that.
 
Plinko said:
Posted this in the other thread:
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They won't revoke the Superbowl Trophy because of the good old "slippery slope" philosophy.

If you retroactively remove championships for cheating, then you could do it for other past Superbowl champions too.

Heck, Jerry Rice said he used stick'um in an interview back when this all broke out. And that was after he took jabs at Brady for cheating. You gonna take all those away?
 
effzee said:
Pretty fair punishment IMO. And it hurts everyone from the owner, the GM, and the overall team.

1M is nothing but yet again this hurts Kraft's reputation.

1st round pick hurts the Pats moving forward - especially if the miss the playoffs and would be picking in the top 15.

4 game suspension changes the dynamics of the AFCE and hell the whole AFC completely to the point I completely expect Miami or Buff to win the division.

Good job NFL. I thought it would be a 1 game suspension with no other penalties for the coach/owner/team.
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It's totally fair. The same punishment as sexual assault and more of a punishment than assaulting your wife (but not on camera).

I'm done with this league as a whole. I mean, I barely watched that many games as it is, but jesus the way they sweep things under the rug and hammer players for slap on the wrist infractions is embarrassing and despicable.
 
LyleLanley said:
I really don't think a deflated football is worth a first and fourth round pick plus the loss of your QB for a quarter of the season.
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Man you can really tell who watches and doesn't watch or understand football when reading these threads.

4 games or 25% of the season is huge especially when so much of the team is built around him. 4 game suspension for a DE or OL you can still overcome. But your star QB?

If Pats start off 0-4 or even 1-3 they most likely aren't making the playoffs. A lost season. Another year Brady is older. This shit changes careers of everyone involved.
 
Four games? That's one for every ring!

Anyone who thinks this is a fair punishment is crazy. The couldn't even find a smoking gun proving the balls were deflated, not to mention if they were, they were likely only deflated by a pound or something.

Just like the Spygate people had no answer for 16-0 season right after it when they were under the utmost scrutiny, the Deflategate people have no answer for winning the Superbowl under the utmost scrutiny two weeks after the "probable" deflated footballs.
 
akileese said:
It's totally fair. The same punishment as sexual assault and more of a punishment than assaulting your wife (but not on camera).

I'm done with this league as a whole. I mean, I barely watched that many games as it is, but jesus the way they sweep things under the rug and hammer players for slap on the wrist infractions is embarrassing and despicable.
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I'm so sick and tired of this fucking attitude.

The NFL shoud have suspended Rice more. That doesn't mean going forward they need to be held to that decision forever.

First of all they followed the lead of the legal system on that punishment. Want to know who else saw the video? the Police. The judge. The courts. They did nothing. Community service.

That's it.

Yes NFL could have and should have punished him harder but if you want to be angry about something than protest the legal system and how it handles domestic violence. Its not the NFL's position in society to make up for the legal system's failings.

But ok they fucked up. So now this and every decision has to be held to that? And they didn't cover anything up. They didn't hide the fact Rice was involved in an incident. Or any of the other players were.

And this is something that happened within in the game. Cheating in the game. They have to come down on this and it can't be viewed as "well domestic violence is this much so this should be this much". Personal conduct off the field away from the game isn't the same as cheating in and during the game.

If the fact that the law failed to act on Rice, Hardy, and AP bothers you so much that you can't watch the NFL then good luck watching any football, basketball, baseball, or whatever sport you think is full of choir boys.

I never got how someone's desire to watch a sport was so tied to what the league did or didn't do in legal cases which the courts should be taking care of.
 
dave is ok said:
Just like the Spygate people had no answer for 16-0 season right after it when they were under the utmost scrutiny, the Deflategate people have no answer for winning the Superbowl under the utmost scrutiny two weeks after the "probable" deflated footballs.
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The people did have an answer. It was Eli Manning.
 
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