Gawker put up an article accusing Louis CK of sexual misconduct

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one hell of a load
 
Fishy that a story like this would go to gawker and not a site like TMZ, the latter of which seems to be extremely accurate with their billion eyes in the sky
 
Fishy that a story like this would go to gawker and not a site like TMZ, the latter of which seems to be extremely accurate with their billion eyes in the sky

Well that's because TMZ tries to get actual proof and Gawker doesn't give a fuck about that.
 
Okay, but... who collects "vintage" porn?
Is this a serious question?

Who collects video games?
Who collects cars?
Who collects POGs?
Who collects stamps?
Coins?
Simpsons memorabilia?
Vintage computers?
Amiibos?
Japanese anime figurines?

Collectors. That's who.
 
God damn I hate Gawker. I remember when they claimed Jerry Seinfeld said "women don't matter" because he said a comedian's gender or race has no impact on how funny they are.
I love Louis and if these allegations are true it's a bummer but it's fucking Gawker so that automatically discredits it until we hear something from a more reputable source.
 
God damn I hate Gawker. I remember when they claimed Jerry Seinfeld said "women don't matter" because he said a comedian's gender or race has no impact on how funny they are.
I love Louis and if these allegations are true it's a bummer but it's fucking Gawker so that automatically discredits it until we hear something from a more reputable source.

I couldn't find the Gawker article on this (maybe they took it down), but I did this gem. http://gawker.com/normal-people-continue-to-disgust-jerry-seinfeld-1624469375
Why the fuck do they hate Jerry Seinfeld so much?

As for this story, it would really suck if its true. I hope it's not, but if more women had similar experiences I hope they speak up.
 
It's not a fucking "fallacy", it's common sense and proper etiquette for any sane, non-deranged human being to not jump to erroneous conclusions over unsubstantiated stories about matters as serious as sexual abuse/misconduct. Dismissing a worthless, shitty unsupported Gawker article as the trash it is does nothing to impede any actual investigation into whether this might be true, it's just the right thing to do when it comes to cretinous faux-journalism designed for the sole purpose of baiting clicks. Also, there is no "side" to this story, nor is there anything that could be construed as "evidence" to prove anything beyond "reaosnable doubt" as you put it, other than the fact that Gawker is garbage I guess.

This, Liu Kang.

Also, we as the public have basically three options: 1.) Believe the accusations 2.) Not believe the accusations 3.) Be undecided.

I cannot for the life of mine see how we, as members of the public, could do anything to "get more information" ? What would we have to do, build groups and hire PIs?

And then there's this gem:
"We don't have both sides of the story to prove reasonable doubt."

Our reasonable doubt comes from the fact that we have NEITHER side. All we have is hearsay, no direct statements, not even screenshots, nothing.

Also, according to your logic, if I claimed somebody who's dead nowadays raped me 10y ago, you could never 'prove reasonable doubt' because the other side is unavailable?
 
I really hate that this could be true and I really hate the way Gawker has handled this.

These kind of allegations are serious. Fuck Louis CK if he's guilty, and it's good that someone is speaking up about it. But publishing "blind items" and poorly sourced accusations is not helping at all. This kind of amateurish reporting is not appropriate for the weight of the subject matter, and Gawker is doing everyone a disservice.
 
Ugh, I can't have this be true.

He's the only one that can point out white and male advantages in society while making people laugh and avoiding being labeled an evil SJW. I really can't have my respect for him and his work go down the drain.

I was having a hard time with my 2 year old a couple of months ago (I still am), and listening to his interview with Marc Maron helped me tremendously in finding a point of empathy for her. In fact Louie has an enormous capacity for empathy for all people. And to find he has a huge blind spot in it would be devastating.
 
It's not a fucking "fallacy", it's common sense and proper etiquette for any sane, non-deranged human being to not jump to erroneous conclusions over unsubstantiated stories about matters as serious as sexual abuse/misconduct. Dismissing a worthless, shitty unsupported Gawker article as the trash it is does nothing to impede any actual investigation into whether this might be true, it's just the right thing to do when it comes to cretinous faux-journalism designed for the sole purpose of baiting clicks. Also, there is no "side" to this story, nor is there anything that could be construed as "evidence" to prove anything beyond "reaosnable doubt" as you put it, other than the fact that Gawker is garbage I guess.

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fucking seriously, people. Holy shit.
 
Let's play "compare GAF's reactions to C.K. and Cosby allegations and see who gets the benefit of the doubt".

One of them has like 10 verified sources.

The other has ONE unverified source.

Somewhere in there, there's some shady publications trying to sidestep "Innocent until proven guilty", one of the very foundations of our society, for clicks.
 
Or a weirdo.

You're just being judgmental. It's just porn. Who cares, just as long it happens with consenting adults? Are you against just old-timey porn or pornography in general? Just saying, if you're cool with Brazzers but not some turn-of-the-century erotica and grainy, low-res silent film intercourse, there's some sort of disconnect.
 
It's not a fucking "fallacy", it's common sense and proper etiquette for any sane, non-deranged human being to not jump to erroneous conclusions over unsubstantiated stories about matters as serious as sexual abuse/misconduct. Dismissing a worthless, shitty unsupported Gawker article as the trash it is does nothing to impede any actual investigation into whether this might be true, it's just the right thing to do when it comes to cretinous faux-journalism designed for the sole purpose of baiting clicks. Also, there is no "side" to this story, nor is there anything that could be construed as "evidence" to prove anything beyond "reaosnable doubt" as you put it, other than the fact that Gawker is garbage I guess.
That's literally what I'm saying, and exactly why a person saying "innocent until proven guilty" here is using it wrong.

http://writingcommons.org/open-text/information-literacy/rhetorical-analysis/logical-fallacies

"Argument from Ignorance: Assuming something is true because it has not been proven false. In a court of law, a defendant is, by law, "innocent until proven guilty." However, judges and jurors must hear testimonies from both sides and receive all facts in order to draw conclusions about the defendant's guilt or innocence. It would be an argument from ignorance for a judge or juror to reach a verdict without hearing all of the necessary information."
 
Sadly after Cosby nothing like this really surprises me anymore. That being said Gawker is awful and probably should've done some more work before they accused him of something like this. Although, assuming the emails are real, the fact that Louis decided to call the guy and not just skip over the email is interesting.
 
These rumors have been going around for a while. Jen Kirkman sees to be talking about Louis at 31:20 in these recent podcast: https://soundcloud.com/jenkirkman/bitch-were-all-madonna

Just for the sake of discussion and an alternate viewpoint, she also listed Louis as her favourite stand up comedian in 2013?http://www.timeout.com/london/comedy/jen-kirkmans-top-ten-stand-up-comedians
If the podcast mention is about him yet he's her favourite comedian, that would be weird.
 
To be fair, the podcast is from 2015, so 2 years after that list. Assuming that what she says is about Louis and is true, maybe she wasn't aware of it back in 2013.

Well the podcast makes it seem like it happened to her or something and she claimed he was married at the time, which was a loooong time ago for Louis. Just food for thought though! I really hope none of this is true but I won't believe a word of it until I hear it from somewhere that isn't Gawker.
 
Well the podcast makes it seem like it happened to her or something and she claimed he was married at the time, which was a loooong time ago for Louis. Just food for thought though! I really hope none of this is true but I won't believe a word of it until I hear it from somewhere that isn't Gawker.

Ah you're right. Again, assuming she's talking about him and that what she's remembering correctly about him being married at the time, then yeah, disregard what I said above. Anyone, hope it's all bullshit.
 
To be fair, the podcast is from 2015, so 2 years after that list. Assuming that what she says is about Louis and is true, maybe she wasn't aware of it back in 2013.

She said he was married, and that was years ago. I also wasn't able to find any proof of them being on tour together.

d'oh. Beaten,
 
I don't believe that Jen Kirkman clip is talking about Louis.
I'm pretty sure I know who she's talking about, it's not Louis though.
 
Or a weirdo.



Are those serious comparisons?
Dave Attell had a whole show on Showtime based off of his love of old porn. It might not be the most popular thing to collect, but it's not as if it's any different then people collecting old versions of other stuff. People get nostalgic for it like they get nostalgic for anything else. Shit, go into a room full of 20 something men, bring up the Spice channel and blurry bad reception porn and see how many of those dudes are probably going to reminisce about what you're talking about.
 
The podcast claims he was married at the time which was sometime before 2008. That means that this would have to be happening for some 7+ years.
 
There is no way you posted this not thinking: "oh I can't wait for people to ask me what I'm alluding to hihihi"

For real. I don't know enough about comedians to imagine anyone other that Louis CK being compared to Bill Cosby and a French director. What are some other comedian who have reached that status?
 
For real. I don't know enough about comedians to imagine anyone other that Louis CK being compared to Bill Cosby and a French director. What are some other comedian who have reached that status?
The new material every year thing is what Louis CK is famous for too, right? I'm struggling to think who else that whole description could apply to.
 
To be fair, the podcast is from 2015, so 2 years after that list. Assuming that what she says is about Louis and is true, maybe she wasn't aware of it back in 2013.

Should be easy enough to cross-reference, and see if Jen Kirkman was on any tours with Louis CK between 2013 and her podcast in 2015.
 
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