Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else
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SodiumBenzoate
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The memes are dank in this thread, for sure.
holy shit, lol.
Once again another dumb and old meme. I remember the one from ME3.
Krappadizzle
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psn
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TBH there is nothing stunning in this shot. I mean... it doesn't look that great. That's all.
Sticky&Sweet
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TW3 looks leagues better than a PS360 open world game.
You must be real fun at parties.
Is that Geralt using a katana?
To be fair he did clarify he meant a good late gen ps3/360 PC port. In that context you are talking about games like GTAV or Far Cry 4. Which, frankly, I would not say Witcher 3 looks leagues better then a maxed out GTAV PC.
Sanctuary
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LOL. These are always good.
In some of the gameplay videos he's using a sword that looks a bit to close to a katana.
I have no idea what games you just picked, but it's pretty obvious you chose the worst examples you can find when even Skyrim looks better
If that looks better to you than the motherfuckin' Witcher 3, I don't know what to tell you....
Even on PC it doesn't compare whatsoever.
It looks bad in my opinion. I just decided not to comment on it because I had nothing to good to say. Just look at those leaves and the grass. It's nothing like what was shown before. I really hope that it's not the case with the PC version. Also, that screenshot looks like it was smeared with Vaseline and sand.
Sevyne
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Your example isn't exactly good either. Skyrim looks horrible, even next to a downgraded Witcher 3.
Your suggestion to set a high baseline in hopes people scale up to buy it 2 years later still means they have to exclude a significant portion of today's PC userbase, which can be financially disastrous.
This might work on Star Citizen style crowdfunding model, where the buy-in is already done
I don't know about leagues. From what has been shown so far, I would say its more comparable to last gen Far-Cry 4 that this gen's version.
Haint
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Not even the first time the same circle of stupid has repeated in this very thread. I already called somebody out on it earlier. Someone makes a hyperbolic comment about W3 looking like a last-gen game and CDPR roaches scurry out of woodwork posting the worst shots of the worst looking games they can image search. This is the game the guy specifically referenced in his comment (Red Dead Redemption).
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At least somebody is actually trying when it comes to PR lol
Black_Stride
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2013:
Boring style.
Monotone graphics. Everything looks the same.
Hard to read.
Drap colours.
No depth.
All kinds of shaders to help give depth to the place.
2015:
Way more readable due to better contrast, colour separation, use of colour.
Real depth due to building design. Shadows.
Way more texture diversity.
Backgrounds are set apart from the foreground.
Main character pop-out from the environment way more.
All in all: very good adjustments.
Ohh man. This is too funny.
You posted the screen shots yourself, are you not looking at them, or did you mislabel them somehow.
I still think The Witcher 3 looks magnificent, and im still going to buy it day one, but I have to admit to myself that the 2013 footage looks better than the current build unless the day one patch adds a shit load of extra features i dont see this game living up to the 2013 footage we saw.
Kamina
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This is so hard to watch when you understand every word they say.
icecold1983
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I think the PS4 version looks incredible (aside from some dodgy framerate 5 hours in). took this earlier:
it looks like a very middle of the road multiplat title, no more.
exmachina64
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You can't be serious. Those are Dragon Age: Inquisition and Shadow of Mordor.
Not even the first time the same circle of stupid has repeated in this very thread. I already called somebody out on it earlier. Someone makes a hyperbolic comment about W3 looking like a last-gen game and CDPR roaches scurry out of woodwork posting the worst shots of the worst looking games they can image search. This is the game the guy specifically referenced in his comment (Red Dead Redemption).
And at what resolution was RDR rendered internally on PS3? It wasn't 1080p.
To me the biggest sticking point is the foliage. I mean for a game covered in foliage it really produced some ugly assets.
BigTnaples
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BlackNinja
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Agreed. There is no denying that the foliage lack of self-shadowing really ruins the overall fidelity of the image.
Those shots are 1280x720 - that's how the game pretty much will look on a properly set up TV and PS3.
Either way there is hyperbole on both sides. Witcher 3 certainly does not look worse than any PS3 game (including RDR), but at the same time PS3 games were not some mud-smeared low poly shit either. Obviously you can choose examples to suit your argument either way.
icecold1983
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agree, the foliage looks quite poor.
Sanctuary
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2013:
Boring style.
Monotone graphics. Everything looks the same.
Hard to read.
Drap colours.
No depth.
All kinds of shaders to help give depth to the place.
2015:
Way more readable due to better contrast, colour separation, use of colour.
Real depth due to building design. Shadows.
Way more texture diversity.
Backgrounds are set apart from the foreground.
Main character pop-out from the environment way more.
All in all: very good adjustments.
Buggy Loop
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Just look how many npcs are being rendered in that compared to the 2015 version.
The downgrade is a fucking shame.
orthodoxy1095
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I'm not as in tune to graphics stuff like textures (although I do see the differences in 2013 and 2015), so in my eyes, that stands out the most. The lower amount of NPCs, the color palette and the foliage.
alexandros
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That would make sense for a fixed hardware platform. Why would you have to remove anything from the PC version?
finalflame
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Because he's giving a lazy dev/studios' excuse.
It's often the case that they want to develop all platforms as closely as possible, so as to minimize work. If something will take extra work to implement on PC, but will not be implemented on XBO/PS4, it's probably not worth working to fully implement. Hence why we see more and more "downgraded" titles that seem to be that way due to parity. It's not necessarily intentional/conspiracy "let's make sure the versions have parity to make the console versions more attractive", it's more along the lines of "this won't be present on the console versions, and will be extra work to implement on PC, so how much work do we want to put into it?". Then a PM comes around and says just axe it and minimize dev time, we need to release.
Consoles and multiplatform development really do hold back PC gaming advancements. And that's why PC-only games such as Star Citizen and Elite: Dangerous are able to stand out. Or properly developed PC ports such as GTA V, which took time and care to complete.
Honestly, it's all a crock of shit. Anyone saying they don't see the differences in 2013 showings of the game and now is blind. Back then, the game was looking like a true generational leap in the open-world RPG genre, as far as graphics and world density goes. Now, it looks like fucking DA:I with a slightly different color palette. Disgusting.
I said in a previous thread, the game looks good, often great, it just doesn't look spectacular, and is no longer ahead of its time with it's graphics the way it's predecessor was at the time of release. Instead it looks very comparable to other open world games already released, or soon to be released. That is disappointing, especially given how it used to look, but at the same time the important thing is that the game plays amazingly well, meeting the hype on the gameplay front.
cripterion
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It's a great OT but it's ridiculous that the gifs and screens from the VGX trailers are in there, I guess we can't blame devs when even gamers perpetuate the myth...
I'm with the people saying it looks like souped up last gen game. Loads more vegetation etc but I said it before. I think dropping to 720p and tweakin, they could get this on 360 and ps3. Infact the same could be said for 99 percent of the games this gen.
Seems like they are grasping at rumors and spinning dev interviews to generate a internet drama page hit.
the backlash was also effective, Assassin's Creed Syndicate reveal was a real gameplay without any bullshit behavior of vertical slices and lies like Witcher 3 2013 or Watch Dogs. so us gamers can change this bullshit if they don't give their beloved developers a free pass when these devs do shady things.
It's ok to like a game, but don't be ok about shady practices and false advertising. I like this series but I'm not ok with CDPR lies and deceiving they are doing.
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and speaking of that where is the gaming sites on this downgrade and false marketing? Game will be out in less than 24 hours and the media sites still in coma on this, I guess Ubi soft was just an easy target (the company everyone hate).
Pretty good. more sites need jump on this.
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I'm not sure how the OT should be handled. It's a bit excessive on info by including absolutely everything, perhaps overwhelmingly so for new people, and with that includes old lighting and such that don't represent the game now. I guess it's fine since it is comprehensive, but as we know there was a downgrade now, I personally would probably have tried to give a more relevant slice of recent screens and trailers. At least on GAF people probably know better than to buy based on official images.
Yeah, not sure why they are using some pre-downgrade screenshots in the OT, my only guess is maybe some of CDPR fans still think there is no downgrade and believing on CDPR on that. This again lead us to how CDPR misleading people and their fans, many gamers who don't read every threads might just buy based on these pre-screenshots and trailers.
The massive downgrade was after 2013, but then even the E3 2014 trailer/2014 version also got downgraded big time by the time they showed new screenshots in late 2014 (When Gaffers noticed something wrong in the screenshots and Anaxymenes exposed the whole downgrade), so we got the 2013 amazing looking version that look like a completely different game, and then 2014 build that also got downgraded in visuals and effects.
I can't help but feel that this game was coming in too hot and they simply couldn't afford to delay again. It feels like they had to hit the abort button at some point and just start crunching to ship the game even if sacrifices has to be made. The loss in detail seems like things were ripped out at the last moment rather than carefully considered. I feel bad for the actual dev team.
well Anaxymenes said their vision was bigger than what they can handle.
Their PR team should've handled this better, maybe with a little honestly. They kept insisting that there is no change, that there is no downgrade in multiple interviews (their official YT channel got the 2013 trailers as "gameplay" a still) they refuse to even admit it, then they came to remove a video comparison (and the "uber video" wasn't really that different), saying PC version is good and locking downgrade threads on their forums, ect. it's a PR mess.
Small companies like CDPR should be more open and honest, but CDPR PR team was acting like EA or Ubi here.
texhnolyze
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I believe those screenshots with the Witcher 3 logo on the edge are bullshots from the official website. Moreover, some of those are quite recent screens, not from the 2013 trailer. I mean, the best images are from the trailers right, not from the screenshots. People only use images from 2013 trailer for comparisons.
If the website is still showing those screens, I think it's fair enough to put them in the OT.
Ah I see, thanks -- I also realize I had totally forgotten about the VGX 2013 trailer.
http://www.gamersyde.com/hqstream_the_witcher_3_wild_hunt_vgx_trailer-31286_en.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqQ3LeBgGDM
Pop
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That could be said about every game, ever made.
ColonialRaptor
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I just used official shots provided on the website for the OT. I don't know where else to find any sort of specific shots to use for that sort of thing (I'm the OT creator BTW). I believe I used pictures that are as close to what the game currently looks like as possible.
I took out a bunch of shots from the OT that were the older ones that were clearly not even probably game engine shots, and I haven't been in here for a while because it was becoming annoying but is there a certainty about "downgrade" now?
The game STILL isn't out how can there be certainty until you play it?
Lighting/Shadows
Foliage
Environmental Effects
World Geometry / Details / Object Quantity
NPC Density
LOD / View Distance
texhnolyze
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ColonialRaptor
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But how is this even determined when no one has the game yet? A lot of those things can be adjusted in the PC settings. LOD will be tweakable in the ini files I'm almost certain.
Got it, thanks for that list.
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