m_shortpants
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Watching some of the footage out there, I don't know how anyone can deny there wasn't a massive downgrade in 2014, and now in 2015. There's a bunch of PC/PS4 comparisons, for example.
Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else
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Watching some of the footage out there, I don't know how anyone can deny there wasn't a massive downgrade in 2014, and now in 2015. There's a bunch of PC/PS4 comparisons, for example.
LookAtMeGo
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Its a fabulous OT.
texhnolyze
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Can't agree more.
drotahorror
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Is that music in the game as well?
CyberPunked
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CassidyIzABeast
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That's totally bullshit right?
cripterion
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It's all good, let the OT the way it is. Some official shots like this one :
won't be in the final game, no need to wait for everyone to get their hands on it.
I loaded up your thread when it still had the infamous gifs everyone's been gushing about for 2 years now. Truth is, you're just using promo material that CDPR is still maliciously using (wether it is through them or Nvidia's) so the fault doesn't reside on you for using them.
OT : I can't understand people claiming the game unlocking early for them in Australia. I tried a VPN and nothing gives, still over 16 hours to go :/
Can't put this ALL on CDPR, people got way too hyped for the very first thing they saw and ignored the realities of the situation. CDPR is a mid level dev tackling an open world AAA game. They don't come close to the likes of Bethesda and Rockstar. This is also their third game.
Been a fan since the first game and one thing I know is CDPR has shitty launches. Its a mess. So when they announced Witcher 3 was going to be a fully open world, I dropped my expectations to the floor and urged everyone who would listen to do the same.
Now, with another developer/publisher this might concern me, but CDPR is 2 for 2 when it comes to their commitment to their games. They aren't perfect, and they've never pretended to be, but they've done right by me twice so I'll give them a little latitude. Its a safe bet that if there are any glaring issues, they will be addressed, which they have already alluded to in regards to ubersampling.
The other factor in this is wanting to play The Witcher 3 more than a couple bullshots from 2013 that, I personally, didn't give 2 fucks about. I was FAR more concerned with them making The Witcher a fully open world game. Even Bethesda struggles at doing that.
So no, I don't care if they had to tone a few things down or that it isn't 1:1 with footage from 2013. The game itself is FAR more important to me that a couple of effects, no trickery needed.
wanderingprostheyltite
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That's totally bullshit right?
Well maybe not assets wise but game works (the physics) is definitely in. People were seeing on streams geralt settings barrels on fire, them floating in the water with physics applied etc. Hopefully it's as extensive as what's depicted in that gif though. I like me some environmental destruction.
That's totally bullshit right?
Yes, totally
texhnolyze
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It's all good, let the OT the way it is. Some official shots like this one :
won't be in the final game, no need to wait for everyone to get their hands on it.
I loaded up your thread when it still had the infamous gifs everyone's been gushing about for 2 years now. Truth is, you're just using promo material that CDPR is still maliciously using (wether it is through them or Nvidia's) so the fault doesn't reside on you for using them.
OT : I can't understand people claiming the game unlocking early for them in Australia. I tried a VPN and nothing gives, still over 16 hours to go :/
If I may ask, which gif(s) are you talking about?
I can only find 7 gifs in the OT, and I'm perfectly sure all of them are from recent gameplay footage, not from the 2013 trailer. Some of them are even have PS logo on.
Is it my browser?
Yeah, there are videos, screenshots (from CDPR even) and videos of the PC version on ultra/uber. not sure why people keep denying it or pretend that there is no downgrade.
liking and been hyped for a game is one thing, but this is about the downgrade in the game visuals, not how it'll play. it's about CDPR selling it as what it's not really is anymore and lying to everyone about it and fans defending and using pre-downgrade screenshot is just more weird to me. I love their games but eating CDPR lies and denying the downgrade (hell.. the first one even 2013 version) and saying the game might still "look" like that by using some secret sauce setting or ini tweaks is just being stubborn at this point.
Many love CDPR, I get it as Witcher 1 and 2 are pure fantastic, but a visual downgrade is a visual downgrade and it's very clear in this case really, a free pass for CDPR or even defending them or worse using their pre-downgrade screenshots that they uses for false advertising is not a good idea.
ISee
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SO PCGH.de postet an new updated about the W3 PC vs PS4 problem. And yes they already have acces to the new day 1 patch.
And again, keep in mind I am not a pro translater and not even a good english speaker,..
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And again, keep in mind I am not a pro translater and not even a good english speaker,..
PCGH.de said:
LOW Details (w/o DoF)
ULTRA Details with DoF
ULTRA Detials w/o DoF
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icecold1983
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That's totally bullshit right?
yes
Stop, please. You'll just hurt yourself. If you seriously think Witcher 3 looks like a PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360 game you really need to check your eyes and your priorities.
Spazznid
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CD Projekt Red just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Polish culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Poland, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is that the Polish public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase The Witcher: Wild Hunt for any system, nor will the purchase any of CD Projekt's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but CD Project has alienated an entire market with this move.
CD Projekt Red, publicly apologize and cancel The Witcher: Wild Hunt for consoles, or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Polish culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Poland, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is that the Polish public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase The Witcher: Wild Hunt for any system, nor will the purchase any of CD Projekt's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but CD Project has alienated an entire market with this move.
CD Projekt Red, publicly apologize and cancel The Witcher: Wild Hunt for consoles, or you can kiss your business goodbye.
Am I too late for the "Bring your old meme's to GAF" day?
Jesus christ, look at his face. Is that the result of FXAA? Looks bad man. DoF looks atrocious as well. Both will be turned off immediately lol, rather have some jaggies than the muddy FXAA look. 1080p with no AA doesn't look *that* bad on a 21.5 inch screen
Edit: Yeah, it's just the FXAA, it's why the distant objects look fuzzy on ultra but not on low, I imagine FXAA is disabled on the Low preset. God I hate post process AA so much
i had almost believed this at first aha. where is it originally from?
ISee
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I understand that you are angry, in a way at least. But I am really not sure if CDPR alienated an entire country or just you...
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*sigh* I felt for it... mea culpa. GJ!
I wonder if any of you could max 2013 version of witcher, how about you think like devs, they are developing for everyone ( PC ) not everyone has 970+ and even those cards struggle its adjusting game for current hardware.
i agree there was "downgrade" but i dont like this term & its not that big as 2013 vs 2015 shows ( different time/colors/pov )
i will get ps4 version even through i have gaming pc
i agree there was "downgrade" but i dont like this term & its not that big as 2013 vs 2015 shows ( different time/colors/pov )
i will get ps4 version even through i have gaming pc
But Crysis still exists. No one could max it out at release, it took years before that. Game still looks great today thanks to CryTeks high ambitions. Game scaled pretty well too
But yeah, something definitely happened during the development of the game, whether it proved to be too costly to create high end assets or if the engine just couldn't happen it, changes had to be made during development. I hope they come clean eventually and explain why the change happened.
That's totally bullshit right?
Someone needs to replicate this scene when the game comes out. The result would probably look absolutely hilarious in comparison.
That's totally bullshit right?
Everything was bullshit.
I can't max it out at a stable 60 :lol. On a 280x. That's more my CPU's fault though, since it's an AMD 6 core design with generally lower IPC than Intel CPUs and W2 doesn't even use quad cores properly. I kinda expect W3 to look and run better on this rig
Edit: Darn stealth edit, now my post looks dumb
Where is it now when everyone can max it, either you're there on launch or stay in backlog forever, atleast it was in my case.
ps.: about polish gamers vs cdpr..... honestly first time i've heard about downgrade was here, very few people here in Poland care about it hype is real and everyone's getting it.
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Soltype
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That's totally bullshit right?
What trailer is this from?, this looks incredible.
You have to put your last sentence in first place.
If a dev creates an alternative shadow path with lower quality for consoles and then spend one year optimizing it, in the end it will be the most optimized path for pc too. So performance jump using the exclusive for pc ultra path will be massive because is not optimized at all.
Sanctuary
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I'm not sure many would care as much if:
1. We had the 2014 version (would look even better with the original color palette too).
2. CDPR would stop lying about the issue.
You can dislike the word downgrade, but using any other word in its place doesn't change the fact that it was downgraded. The 2013 > 2014 decline was noteworthy, but it was not as bad as the jump from 2014 > 2015. It really does look like it could be a cross gen game almost. You also need to get your eyes checked. As overused a statement as that is, if you think the only difference between the 2013 version and the 2015 version is just colors, pov and time of day. Jesus Christ.
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[Asmodean]
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What's with all the comparison to the 2013 footage.. there's a reason the exact same V-slice gifs are used, literally every time. You make yourselves look quite stupid, imo ;p
If you're going to compare stuff, at least do it with the E3 footage, after the renderer update. There's enough changes between e3 and now, without cheesily resorted to the 2013 stuff. Which wasn't even on the same renderer.
If you're going to compare stuff, at least do it with the E3 footage, after the renderer update. There's enough changes between e3 and now, without cheesily resorted to the 2013 stuff. Which wasn't even on the same renderer.
Sanctuary
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[Asmodean];164319748 said:
You must not be paying attention. People have been commenting on both downgrades and have also been posting gifs from the E3 footage too. The game went for an almost complete overhaul (mostly downgraded aesthetics too) with the change to the engine, but still looked pretty good to what we ended up with.
You'd expect a site that purportedly knows about hardware to be at least capable of identifying the results of an FXAA pass and distinguishing them from actual asset differences.
Your suggestion to set a high baseline in hopes people scale up to buy it 2 years later still means they have to exclude a significant portion of today's PC userbase, which can be financially disastrous.
This might work on Star Citizen style crowdfunding model, where the buy-in is already done
What? I never suggested a high baseline *at all*.
That's totally bullshit right?
always honest CDPR says it's in game...
You just need to unlock the Super Chocolaty Secret Double Uber Sauce™ setting (you can unlock it by beliveing the heart of the CDPR lies) and tweak the ini.
That will be a good idea, but sadly CDPR keep lying about this.
Saying over and over there is no downgrade in interviews (as recent as this week) is just them misleading more people.
Milestoned
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Yep. I've already played something similar to this scene yesterday and it looked nothing like this. Not even close. I think this is straight up 100% pre-rendered CGI and never ran on actual hardware.
That's totally bullshit right?
ISee
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I think they made a mistake by not turning of FXAA in their Ultra screenshots, no doubt about that. Still the difference in maximum visible distance seems to be quiet low between ultra and low. Maybe this is intended but not something I would expect.
NinjaMuffin
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Damnit...I laughed XD
cHaOs667
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This video never gets old and everytime I laugh my ass of!
Holy shit.
Soltype
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Wow, I can see why some of you are upset. Good thing I didn't follow this game that closely.
Sanctuary
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That's pretty fucking funny, but at the same time it's like there are still some who don't realize the difference between graphics and aesthetics. There are plenty of screenshots that look really nice aesthetically, but nothing special, or even ho-hum graphically. I still think the game would look better in most situations though without the "wish-we-were-WoW-like-every-other-modern-tryhard-RPG" color palette.
...and then you cried, because it hurts so much.
Welcome to the club. This is just another example of a game being shown far too early in its development. But, as the video above says, CD Project Red probably doesn't care, the game has received over one million pre-orders. Their reputation has been lost, though.
alexandros
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That's totally bullshit right?
Yeah. For shame, CDPR.
Killroyskbg
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This is so true. This cartoony thing going on in mature RPGs need to die.
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