Duke professor: Blacks should be more like Asian Americans

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its true, if black people would have white names racism wouldn't even be an issue
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its hilarious how stiupid some educated people are, its like they live in a bubble past a certain point when they made it. its the same with profs that get 7000€ a month and can't seem to grasp how a beamer works...

btw, the mlk/malcom x -comment is stiupidity and misinterpretation in its purest form.

education+good upbringing+decency+??? = no racism

???=empathy. its not so hard.
 
I mean, really, it's black peoples parents faults for giving them such strange new names. If only Michael Brown or Freddie Grey had normal, white people names, they'd still be alive today.

Sad shit man.
 
What a racist old man. Hopefully he didn't leave any lasting influences on his students. His name "theory" is also a bunch of nonsense, but of course he probably suffers from a huge confirmation bias while looking at that class list. I hope to see more comment section crackdowns in the future.
 
As a scholar, he should construct some sort of naming scale to judge how black or white name is. Then pragmatic black Americans will know what they can call their kids to not have them be subjected to "random" stop and searches. Without such a scale, everyone will have to go full Jake, Tanner or Ebenezer every time just to be safe.

I mean, really, it's black peoples parents faults for giving them such strange new names. If only Michael Brown or Freddie Grey had normal, white people names, they'd still be alive today.

Sad shit man.
They obviously messed up because they had colours in their last name.
 
I mean, really, it's black peoples parents faults for giving them such strange new names. If only Michael Brown or Freddie Grey had normal, white people names, they'd still be alive today.

Sad shit man.

Exactly, should have chosen a name like Breckin or Kael, that would have given them the advantage.
 
Wow, this guy is off his rocker. There's some things in this world that hard work won't help even if that was the problem.. Getting your application picked out of a pile for a call back is one of them. This guy demonstrates why. I don't see how people can be so god damned blind. Terrible.
 
Surprised Tiger Woods didn't get a mention in that bullshit article.

This dude is off his rocker and probably needs to be put in a home. I love the way he uses the term "the blacks" as if we're some kind of notorious gang that all thinks and acts alike.
 
Bruh, you tellin' me I was supposed to be dating white folks all this time?

RACIAL INTEGRATION LEGGO
 
Welp, time to name my son and daughter Jack and Jill. They will be integrated and accepted into society full speed!

How the hell can a professor say something so dumb as this? At this point, why does he even have a job? Cut it.
 
I won't comment on the rest of the article or the generally racist bullshit expressed there, but as I mentioned in the "Someone named his kid Vegeta" thread, discrimination by name is common and well-known.
It even goes beyond race (in certain cases), as e.g. studies regarding Germany imply, where e.g. "Kevin", "Chantal" or "Mandy" seem to have negative connotations for teachers.
 
This dude went off the deep end with stuff like:

“It was appropriate that a Chinese design won the competition for the Martin Luther King state,” he concluded. “King helped them overcome. The blacks followed Malcolm X.”

“Every Asian student has a very simple old American first name that symbolizes their desire for integration. Virtually every black has a strange new name that symbolizes their lack of desire for integration.”

Hough added that blacks made the problem worse by refusing to date white people.

But I read something interesting in The Economist this weekend on the work of Roland Fryer (Harvard economist and first black winner of one of the highest awards in the field of economics):

One of his early studies asked why black kids do worse than whites at school. He found that, after controlling for such things as income, there was no gap in kindergarten. But over time, black pupils lost ground in virtually every subject. By the middle of third grade (at around nine), they were 20% less likely than whites to be able to perform tasks such as multiplication.

One explanation, long dismissed as an urban myth, was that black pupils do not study hard because those who do are accused by their peers of “acting white”—and ostracised. Mr Fryer found a novel way to test this notion. He measured how popular pupils were by asking them to name their friends. To guard against fibbing, he counted a friendship as real only if both children named each other. He found that the myth was true. Black high-school students with good grades had fewer friends than those with mediocre ones. For whites, the reverse was true.

It's an ingenious way to use a social graph to understand these type of issues. I don't know if there is another interpretation of this data, but it does point to a possible cultural component to the socio-economic injustice suffered by black Americans.
 
I don't even know where to begin. Refusing to date white people? Does he have any clue what would've happened to someone like me who openly expressed interest in a white woman only a few decades ago? Is he aware of the latent racist shit still associated with it to this date?
 
i dont have a good what the fuck .gif for this but lol

This is the best I got: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8YAK8oMEKI#t=16s

But I read something interesting in The Economist this weekend on the work of Roland Fryer (Harvard economist and first black winner of one of the highest awards in the field of economics):

It's an ingenious way to use a social graph to understand these type of issues. I don't know if there is another interpretation of this data, but it does point to a possible cultural component to the socio-economic injustice suffered by black Americans.

I saw the same bio-piece a few weeks ago and was surprised by the findings of that study Fryer conducted (and was greatly amused by the simple-yet-novel concept of testing the hypothesis he came up with).

Here's a link to a fuller write-up of the study from Fryer:

http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/acting_white.pdf
 
This dude went off the deep end with stuff like:







But I read something interesting in The Economist this weekend on the work of Roland Fryer (Harvard economist and first black winner of one of the highest awards in the field of economics):



It's an ingenious way to use a social graph to understand these type of issues. I don't know if there is another interpretation of this data, but it does point to a possible cultural component to the socio-economic injustice suffered by black Americans.


Definitely could be one of those correlation not equaling causation issues. It could be as simple as children hanging out with other kids who are more like them rather than succumbing to some kind of peer pressure. Since there are clearly more black kids growing up in homes that don't emphasize studying due to numerous socio-economic issues, these kids tend to seek other kids in similar circumstances.
 
Holy shit how am I just now hearing about this?

I imagine the American school system brushes over the atrocities committed against black people post slavery until the civil rights...then they paint everything was awesome and racial harmony was achieved.
 
Definitely could be one of those correlation not equaling causation issues. It could be as simple as children hanging out with other kids who are more like them rather than succumbing to some kind of peer pressure. Since there are clearly more black kids growing up in homes that don't emphasize studying due to numerous socio-economic issues, these kids tend to seek other kids in similar circumstances.

Based on the full paper linked by Cagey,


Fryer said:
I cannot, in the research presented here, disentangle all the elements in the dispute, but I can sort out some of its thicker threads. I can also be precise about what I mean by acting white: a set of social interactions in which minority adolescents who get good grades in school enjoy less social popularity than white students who do well academically.

Though not all scholars define acting white in precisely the same way, most definitions include a reference to situations where some minority adolescents ridicule their minority
peers
for engaging in behaviors perceived to be characteristic of whites.

it seems that it is different from just seeking other kids in similar circumstances; it's rather that kids who do well are punished socially in their peer groups for performing well in school.
 
Holy shit how am I just now hearing about this?

What the Tulsa Oklahoma stuff? Yeah it was pretty fucked up. II only knew of it about 4 years ago. Communities like Rosewood, Springfield Illinois, etc are some of the reasons people argue that integration was a bad thing for the African American community since when communities were not being integrated, black individuals were forced to rely on each other and there wasn't a brain drain of black professionals who would build up their communities.
 
"Blacks should be more like Asians"

What if you're Tiger Woods?
tiger_woods_and_parents.jpg
 
I don't even know where to begin. Refusing to date white people? Does he have any clue what would've happened to someone like me who openly expressed interest in a white woman only a few decades ago? Is he aware of the latent racist shit still associated with it to this date?

Stop refusing to date our porcelain-skinned beauties. Society and the advent of Idris Elba have offered them up to you for the taking, like Craster's daughters, and yet you refuse to even look at our flaxen-haired platter of princesses.
 
How does GAF feel about this reddit post?

http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlike..._how_did_adding_le_or_de_to_the_beginning_of/

Black Americans have been in something like a permanent state of identity-crisis, that will probably not abate until either:

Terms like "African-American" are accepted as fully and as un-ironically as "Polish-American" or "Irish-American", or;

Race itself becomes such a nebulous, blended, and indistinct thing that skin-color is regarded as no different from eye or hair color.

In the meantime, a particular challenge for black Americans is disconnection from historic familial roots. An Irish-American family might name their kid Sean or Daniel or Molly or Colleen or Mary, with some connection to those who came before (even if those names might bear little or no resemblance to ancient Irish names and culture).

Most black Americans bear family names from the slave-owners of their forbears, or arbitrary names given to freedmen. A white American man named, say, Robert DiGiacomo might go by "Bobby", and might consider himself mostly German/Scots, but he knows where his name comes from, and he knows that his father was descended from an Italian. If he wanted to, Bobby G could probably trace his ancestry back to specific people and families from any number of countries.

A black man named Robert Smith might have little more than a vague idea that one of his ancestors was once owned by a man named "Smith". It is unlikely that he could reliably trace most of his family tree back further than slavery, since good records were not kept, about the lineage and ancestry of slaves. And any "deep past" records of his roots might actually refer to white parentage that abandoned or rejected their multi-racial offspring. He might not be able to able to find the specific African language, name-tradition, or region his ancestors came from, even if he tried.

As a result, many Black Americans have chosen to embrace an entirely new notion of heritage and identity, based on the global infusion of African culture into a worldwide diaspora. This could include elements of Caribbean, Creole, French-colonial, and Anglo-American influences, as well as pan-African culture (and Africa is a very big place, with wildly-divergent cultures, easily as different as Irish is from Greek, or Japanese is from Indian).

One example of this embrace of Black pan-culturalism is choosing or creating names that might sound exotic in any language. People who know the names of their ancestors might choose names that come from the same tradition. But when you don't know the names of your ancestors, or when you know their legal names to be "fake" names given to them by the people who bought and sold them like chattel, it's not so easy.

If you know something vague of where you came from, and that you are part of a diaspora that has influences the world over, you might choose to give your child a name that reflects that uncertain melding of cultures.

Indian parents might name their kids "Vijay", Swedish-Americans might name their kids "Gustav", Japanese might name their kids "Haruto", Italian-Americans might go with "Antonio", etc...

But Black Americans descended from the nebulous heritage of slavery have no obvious tradition of forefathers to turn to, when it comes to naming their children, except maybe slave-names.

So many choose to invent or adopt new names, as the ancients did in other cultures. Just as names like "Antonio" or "Robert" or "Seamus" were once invented and applied to children, so names like Leshawn or Taniqua are invented or adopted by people who are not without a culture, not without a heritage, just without a fixed vocabulary, due to its newness.

The African diaspora has had a massive global influence on culture, but it happened in very different ways than other historically-recent diasporas. We were not around 1,000 or 10,000 years ago, when the Europeans or Africans were first inventing names.

In the great re-combinator that is global cultural evolution, Black America has emerged as a new distinct cultural tradition, much as Celts and Gauls diverged and became things like Scotch, Irish and German, hundreds of years ago.

The culture of "Black America", and of the African diaspora more generally, is still in its infancy. We're still in an era where people who lived under Jim Crow are alive and kicking, and the last slaves are only a few decades dead.

As people with names like Kanye, Obama, and Deshawn become more prominent and influential participants in the global economy of ideas, their names will begin to sound less strange. We are seeing the emergence of a new global cultural tradition, with ethnic and historical influences that are distinct from the existing ones.

Black American culture has a very troubled and difficult past, and much of it still has a troubled and difficult present, but its present is no worse than that of, say, the Irish from 150 years ago. ("How the Irish Became White" is an interesting read on the topic of historical race-identity).

Black America, and the African Diaspora more generally, is still in the process of inventing itself, as a cultural identity. And that includes names. It has contributed a tremendous amount of good to the world in its early days, and there is no reason to think it won't get better.

edit: wow, RIP inbox, and thanks for all the gold!

To address some of the FAQs:

"Obama isn't a made-up name! And it's a last name!": Yes, I meant that as more people adopt it as a first name, and as more names that sound "black" come into prominence and familiarity, they will start to sounds less exotic or strange. Sorry for the ambiguity.

"I don't think anyone really calls themselves 'Irish American' or 'Polish American'. Everyone is just American." There are thousands of Irish-American, Polish-American, Italian-American, German-American clubs, all across the US. So it is definitely a thing for some people, although maybe not for you.

"I disagree with the term 'African Americans', because it's not an accurate term, or something about hyphens." You're right, it's not an accurate term. Neither is "black" or "white" (that's more like a dark-brown to pinkish spectrum). I try to use words with commonly-accepted meanings, as they are commonly understood. Unfortunately, sometimes we use short words to refer to complex or nuanced ideas such as race and ethnic identity, and it can be hard to discuss anything other than the verbiage and nomenclature itself, without adopting some kind of shorthand that someone is bound to find objectionable.

" 'Scotch' should be used for whisky and tape, not to describe people." Sorry, I stand corrected. Error left as posted, for continuity-purposes.

A lot of other posters have raised a lot of very good and interesting points, and others have raised a lot of bad and long-discredited ones. I am grateful if I was able to help spark interesting discussion.
 
That is just straight up racisim, its like, not even trying to hide it or whatever, even if he is using "proper" terms for it, you cant interpret it any other way.
 
With threads titles like this, I try to keep an open mind and think that maybe they might have compelling arguments, this is not one of those times. I expected him to say something about group economics, but instead I am greeted to tripe about changing your name in the name of integration. His comments about black people when faced with discrimination not working hard makes me wanna kick him in the throat. When black people were denied schooling, it lead to HBCUs, when black people practiced group economics and had strong functioning communities, you had strong communities like Rosewood, Springfield Illionois, Tulsa Oklahoma and other places that had the nickname Black Wall street where strong black communities were burnt to the ground by jealous white people. See this for a succinct summary

Also can someone explain this to me like I am five.

its a damn shame breh :(
 
ROFLMAO.

He was only suspended? Why would you want someone who is willing to express this thought process in public to teach at your school? :P

Tenure, how does it work? They will probably have to cut him two years salary for him to retire and slink away. He is quite old, b 1935, so they've probably been itching to push him out for a while now.

I wonder if my wife knows this guy, she considerd duke for grad school and chose elsewhere.
 
The thing is I don't think naming kids names like Latrell, Lakisha, D'brickashaw is the big issue, it's what people associate with those names. When people see names like that, they think they are poorly educated and other negative black stereotypes. If people who name their kids names like this had children who were seen as more like to be well-performing students then maybe some of the discrimination arising from these names might be reduced That said I don't know how Latrell Washington may fare in the job market with an identical CV to a Nigerian guy like Adebola Akintayo. Both are black but one is seen as a model minority.
 
John Hope Franklin was a tenured professor at Duke.

Maya Angelou gave our Freshmen Convocation speeches regularly before she passed.

Get out of here with this straw man.

I live right next door to campus and know quite a few alumni. Like I said, I'm not surprised.
 
Jim Crow still applied to Blacks willing to assimilate. Sad people still think the problem is Black people just don't act White enough.

Always the concept of the "other" gets invoked...
 
I live right next door to campus and know quite a few alumni. Like I said, I'm not surprised.

Good thing I know quite a bit more than just a few alumni, and actually lived on campus.

A good majority of people at this university come from privilege. No denying that. But to ascribe virulent racism demonstrated here to the entire university and its student body by extension is patently unfair.
 
Long winded way of saying that black people are lazy.

My thoughts exactly. I do think there's some big issues concerning certain lower income communities that do nothing to improve their social standing. Institutionalized racism is a related conundrum that's difficult to tackle, but criticizing communities of people is even more of a touchy subject. It's just tough all around. I've lost count of how many times I've been accused of being a racist for not granting black patients favors or pain med prescriptions they don't need. How the hell do you change something like that?
 
Good thing I know quite a bit more than just a few alumni, and actually lived on campus.

A good majority of people at this university come from privilege. No denying that. But to ascribe virulent racism demonstrated here to the entire university and its student body by extension is patently unfair.

I think you're putting words in his mouth there. Might want to scale the defense back a tad.
 
I don't get it.

Harvard is also where Obama attended law school and also the school the awarded tenure to Roland Fryer.

It's a joke. With all of the recent Harvard admissions hoopla.

But, If you spend your entire academic career in 1 facility you really don't get a good since of diversity.
 
Good thing I know quite a bit more than just a few alumni, and actually lived on campus.

A good majority of people at this university come from privilege. No denying that. But to ascribe virulent racism demonstrated here to the entire university and its student body by extension is patently unfair.

I didn't say that the entire university was racist however Duke has quite a few elitists. I'm not surprised that a school that has a high number of elitists also probably has a few racists too.

I'm well aware of the high percentage of minorities at the school but there is a lot of old money there too.
 
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