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[vas_a_morir]

You've refuted the myth yourself by using specific subsets of a group of people.

"East African" runners. "North European" heavy lifters.

There are some populations that live in higher elevations of Asia that have been shown to have elevated levels of hemoglobin, allowing them to survive better in an environment that's low in atmospheric oxygen. That doesn't mean that all yellow people have the same genetic attribute. The genetics of people and populations are affected by their environments and Africa (like Asia or Europe) is an incredibly diverse set of environments that yield sub-sets of the population that have genetic advantages over others (height, muscularity, arm length, skin color, etc).

This doesn't refute anything. Nobody is saying the slowest black man in the world is faster than the fastest white man in the world. Rather, that genetics within a certain ethnic group tend to produce more athletes that excel at certain sports. Even with everything you said, it still supports that genetically certain groups are seemingly 'engineered' to excel at certain things.

The myth would be that Steve Urkel can outrun Wes Welker just because he's black. But, is it a myth to say that certain ethnic groups have genetics that lend themselves to certain sports due to natural genetic Darwinism?

 

[Goliath]

Tell all the kitchen and waitstaff at your local Chinese takeout place about all the privileges they have due to all the money and education they brought over.

Go to any Chinatown in any large city and come back and tell about all the rich Chinese immigrants walking around. There won't be that many - most of these ethnic enclaves are largely working class.

Don't perpetuate stereotypes without knowing what you are talking about.

I can tell the waitstaff in my local place in Spanish because as I said before, the majority of the people in any kitchen or waitstaff in my area, regardless of the ethnicity of the cuisine is made by Hispanics in my area.

Here is some stuff I found:

Foreign-born Asians made up 44.3 percent and foreign-born whites made up 28.9 percent of the foreign-born, college-educated labor force. In contrast, the overwhelming majority of the native-born, college-educated workforce was white (85.6 percent) while racial-ethnic minorities were underrepresented.

Latinos represented 17.7 percent of the immigrant college-educated labor force while accounting for only 4.0 percent of US-born college graduates in the labor force.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/college-educated-immigrants-united-states-0

 

[CharlieDigital]

Tell all the kitchen and waitstaff at your local Chinese takeout place about all the privileges they have due to all the money and education they brought over.

Go to any Chinatown in any large city and come back and tell about all the rich Chinese immigrants walking around. There won't be that many - most of these ethnic enclaves are largely working class.

Don't perpetuate stereotypes without knowing what you are talking about.

Generalizations aren't about the isolated but about the whole.

Even with many poor Asian immigrants, Asians as a group -- by far -- earn the highest median household income in the US. This is actual data.

Asian American : $68,088[1]
Pacific Islands American : $ 58,859[1]
White American : $ 54,857[1] (includes White Hispanics)
Total Population : $ 51,914[1]
Native American : $ 38,806[1]
African American : $ 35,341[1]
​

I'd guess that if you were to dig up the data, the proportion of illegal Asian immigrants to legal Asian immigrants is much lower (compared to Central and South American immigrants), which signifies that yes, Asian immigrants today probably are wealthier, more educated because legal immigration is a long and expensive process.

 

[CharlieDigital]

This doesn't refute anything. Nobody is saying the slowest black man in the world is faster than the fastest white man in the world. Rather, that genetics within a certain ethnic group tend to produce more athletes that excel at certain sports. Even with everything you said, it still supports that genetically certain groups are seemingly 'engineered' to excel at certain things.

That's exactly the point. It's ridiculous to say "black people are more athletically inclined", "black people are faster", "black people are taller" because it's not true. Certain subsets of people identified as "black" may have genetic traits that make the more generally physically gifted. But these are subsets of populations that have been selected by their environment for generations rather than a generalization that you can apply to "blacks" or "Asians".

 

[Davidion]

“I am a professor at Duke University,” he admitted. “Every Asian student has a very simple old American first name that symbolizes their desire for integration. Virtually every black has a strange new name that symbolizes their lack of desire for integration.”

Just gonna leave this here.

https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/600022327229833216

/Chinese drive-by posting

 

[HisImperialMajesty]

Here's what I don't get:

Why do Asians get the benefit of so-called "positive" racism?
While Black people suffer almost exclusively negative racism?

No racism is positive, but both Asians and blacks have positive and negative stereotypes. The only "normal" people in America without stereotypes? White people.

Black people are viewed as physically gifted, and are thus both celebrated and feared in American society. The police brutalization of black communities and the discrimination that African Americans face is contrasted with the constant celebration of black athletes and entertainers in the media.

Asians, on the other hand, are celebrated for their academic skills but viewed as physically inferior. Where are all the Asian actors and athletes? There's no lack of Asian American talent in those aspects, but there's just no place for them in America's collective consciousness.

Blacks are seen as hyper masculine, while Asians are seen as hyper feminine. Think about all the love that black men and Asian women get in the club (and the lack thereof for black women and Asian men).

 

[guek]

Generalizations aren't about the isolated but about the whole.

Even with many poor Asian immigrants, Asians as a group -- by far -- earn the highest median household income in the US. This is actual data.

Asian American : $68,088[1]
Pacific Islands American : $ 58,859[1]
White American : $ 54,857[1] (includes White Hispanics)
Total Population : $ 51,914[1]
Native American : $ 38,806[1]
African American : $ 35,341[1]
​

Generalizations are still bad though. I'm still at a loss as to why any time someone points out Asians can have a rough time, the overwhelming response is to point out that they don't have it as tough as other minorities, as if that somehow makes any problems they face unimportant. The comparisons are absolutely needless.

 

[CharlieDigital]

No racism is positive, but both Asians and blacks have positive and negative stereotypes. The only "normal" people in America without stereotypes? White people.

White people can't _____________

- dance
- jump
- ???

Lots of racism towards whites as well.

The difference is that it's not systemic and doesn't generally affect their livelihood and economic productivity.

Generalizations are still bad though. I'm still at a loss as to why any time someone points out Asians can have a rough time, the overwhelming response is to point out that they don't have it as tough as other minorities, as if that somehow makes any problems they face unimportant. The comparisons are absolutely needless.

There's generalizations and then there is data. There is your experience, my experience, and then there's data. The data points out that Asians have the highest median household income of any racial group in US, even whites. If I dig up the data, it probably also shows that Asians, as a group, have the highest levels of educational attainment of any racial group in the US.

Is there racism and discrimination towards Asians? For sure, but the data shows that as a group, Asians are far better off economically than black and even white Americans.

It's like you're saying "Well, I'm a minority and I suffered discrimination and hardship, too! You don't see my complaining!" Well sure, but I'd point out that not all races are discriminated against in the same way and not all races have the same socio-economic mobility. As a whole, Asians do very well in the US.

 

[GameGuru59]

I don't get it.

Harvard is also where Obama attended law school and also the school the awarded tenure to Roland Fryer.

Its as if the school is a microcausam of society! Who knew?!

 

[vas_a_morir]

That's exactly the point. It's ridiculous to say "black people are more athletically inclined", "black people are faster", "black people are taller" because it's not true. Certain subsets of people identified as "black" may have genetic traits that make the more generally physically gifted. But these are subsets of populations that have been selected by their environment for generations rather than a generalization that you can apply to "blacks" or "Asians".

Okay, I see what you are saying. Myth or fact, you shouldn't discredit anyone's success nor should you doubt someone's potential based on this.

 

[HisImperialMajesty]

Generalizations aren't about the isolated but about the whole.

Even with many poor Asian immigrants, Asians as a group -- by far -- earn the highest median household income in the US. This is actual data.

Asian American : $68,088[1]
Pacific Islands American : $ 58,859[1]
White American : $ 54,857[1] (includes White Hispanics)
Total Population : $ 51,914[1]
Native American : $ 38,806[1]
African American : $ 35,341[1]
​

I'd guess that if you were to dig up the data, the proportion of illegal Asian immigrants to legal Asian immigrants is much lower (compared to Central and South American immigrants), which signifies that yes, Asian immigrants today probably are wealthier, more educated because legal immigration is a long and expensive process.

I don't know about wealthier, although I agree that there is selective pressure towards more educated Asians immigrating over. Most of Asia was very, very poor until the last two decades or so. Asian immigration to America has been occurring for a long time.

Your data shows that Asian Americans earn higher that whites on average, but the data shows that Asians earn much less than whites when level of education and area of residence is taken into account. For native born Asian Americans, it's 8% less, while it's 30% less for foreign born Asian Americans.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/07/us-work-discrimination-asians-idUSTRE6B63EZ20101207

 

[guek]

There's generalizations and then there is data. The data points out that Asians have the highest median household income of any racial group in US, even whites.

The point is that doesn't do jack shit for the Asians living in poverty in the US or the Asian workers who get passed up for promotions or the Asian students that are forced to produce better academic scores in order to be on a level playing field with their white peers. The only only reason it's ever brought up is in order to brush any social ills Asians face under the rug and pretend it doesn't matter.

 

[CharlieDigital]

The point is that doesn't do jack shit for the Asians living in poverty in the US

Do you think there is a higher percentage of Asians living in poverty in the US or a higher percentage of blacks and Hispanics?

...or the Asian workers who get passed up for promotions

Is it worse to be passed up for promotion or to have your resume tossed because your name sounded black?

I'm somewhat dumbfounded on how you can compare two different levels of injustice and claim an injustice is an injustice is an injustice. There are degrees of injustice and I think that by far, blacks and Hispanics have it far worse.

 

[HisImperialMajesty]

White people can't _____________

- dance
- jump
- ???

Lots of racism towards whites as well.

The difference is that it's not systemic and doesn't generally affect their livelihood and economic productivity.



There's generalizations and then there is data. There is your experience, my experience, and then there's data. The data points out that Asians have the highest median household income of any racial group in US, even whites. If I dig up the data, it probably also shows that Asians, as a group, have the highest levels of educational attainment of any racial group in the US.

Is there racism and discrimination towards Asians? For sure, but the data shows that as a group, Asians are far better off economically than black and even white Americans.

To your first point, what other stereotypes can you find about white people besides that they can't dance or jump? First off, those stereotypes are kind of tongue-in-cheek, because there are loads of amazing white athletes and entertainers in the media celebrated for their great dancing and jumping. There's the stereotype of the bland, average white person, the "basic" white guy or white girl, which only reinforces my point. White people are perfectly normal, while Asians and blacks hold opposites sides of the behavioral and physical spectrum.

The difference you talk about - that racism against whites isn't systemic and it doesn't affect their livelihoods, is a key point. Tell that to black/Hispanics entering STEM fields and Asians trying to hack it in Hollywood.

To your second point, I answered it in another point. Asians only earn more due to higher level of education, but individually, they earn less than whites. Sure, America is happy to bring over Asian IT workers, doctors and scientists. But pay them the same as whites? No way.

 

[Goliath]

Generalizations are still bad though. I'm still at a loss as to why any time someone points out Asians can have a rough time, the overwhelming response is to point out that they don't have it as tough as other minorities, as if that somehow makes any problems they face unimportant. The comparisons are absolutely needless.

Your right. Improvements for one group shouldn't be stalled because other groups have it worse. However you also have to realize that Asian immigrant success is used to condemn Hispanics and Blacks for their lack of success without looking at the fact that statistically they do come to the U.S. with an education and some money as opposed to Hispanic Immigrants and Blacks and face fewer hurdles. As my previous post showed, almost 50% of the labor force immigrants with college education were Asian as opposed to the 17% that was Latino with a college degree.

 

[HisImperialMajesty]

Do you think there is a higher percentage of Asians living in poverty in the US or a higher percentage of blacks and Hispanics?



Is it worse to be passed up for promotion or to have your resume tossed because your name sounded black?

I'm somewhat dumbfounded on how you can compare two different levels of injustice and claim an injustice is an injustice is an injustice. There are degrees of injustice and I think that by far, blacks and Hispanics have it far worse.

I don't understand what you are trying to get at. No one is trying to say that Asians have it worse than blacks or Hispanics. We're saying that Asians also face discrimination in America, and it shouldn't be ignored. Most Asians, especially the younger generation born in America, support the fight of other minorities for justice.

The only people benefiting from the Oppression Olympics are the people at the top.

EDIT: To make it clear what my opinion is, the Duke professor is an absolute idiot and should be fired. A classic example of paternalistic racism and stereotyping at it's best.

 

[guek]

Is it worse to be passed up for promotion or to have your resume tossed because your name sounded black?

I'm somewhat dumbfounded on how you can compare two different levels of injustice and claim an injustice is an injustice is an injustice. There are degrees of injustice and I think that by far, blacks and Hispanics have it far worse.

Here's the thing, I'm not comparing two different levels of injustice. That's what you're doing. Blacks/Hispanics having it worse doesn't make the lives of struggling Asians any better, so constantly pointing it out has absolutely no benefit for anyone.

 

[Maxim726X]

The point is that doesn't do jack shit for the Asians living in poverty in the US or the Asian workers who get passed up for promotions or the Asian students that are forced to produce better academic scores in order to be on a level playing field with their white peers. The only only reason it's ever brought up is in order to brush any social ills Asians face under the rug and pretend it doesn't matter.

Okay? I don't think anyone is arguing that.

Statistics represent the groups as a whole- So is it not fair to ask what differentiates one group from another? I'm in no way defending this professor, as it paints a rather simple picture for what is a very complex issue... But is it not right to point out that there may be cultural differences among ethnic/racial groups that are advantageous in our society?

And I think that Asian students are forced to get better academic scores to compete with other Asians, a trend which has reared it's ugly head in the Ivy League schools.

 

[FZZ]

This guy is a loon. Also people still view Malcolm X as a bad guy?

 

[sonikokaruto]

I wonder if there's a way to express myself, while you guys know, that me, being a minority (mexican), have opinion on the matter, but, it would somehow rub someone the wrong way.

The man is right, everyone should try to be the best they can be. Show people that they can be a better example of a human being, disregarding their skin color or characteristics (he botched it by saying race).

The sad thing is that segregation has caused, that a lot of this people don't have the same chances as everyone else.

And i use the word chances because oportunity implies that luck has no part in it.

Afraid to say something else because i've gotten banned from dumb stuff like this

 

[theignoramus]

To your first point, what other stereotypes can you find about white people besides that they can't dance or jump? First off, those stereotypes are kind of tongue-in-cheek, because there are loads of amazing white athletes and entertainers in the media celebrated for their great dancing and jumping. There's the stereotype of the bland, average white person, the "basic" white guy or white girl, which only reinforces my point. White people are perfectly normal, while Asians and blacks hold opposites sides of the behavioral and physical spectrum.

The difference you talk about - that racism against whites isn't systemic and it doesn't affect their livelihoods, is a key point. Tell that to black/Hispanics entering STEM fields and Asians trying to hack it in Hollywood.

To your second point, I answered it in another point. Asians only earn more due to higher level of education, but individually, they earn less than whites. Sure, America is happy to bring over Asian IT workers, doctors and scientists. But pay them the same as whites? No way.

The one mean spirited stereotype of white people I can think of is that of a redneck: uncouth,uneducated, and racist.

 

[A_Gorilla]

This guy is a loon. Also people still view Malcolm X as a bad guy?

You can thank the GoP for that.

The one mean spirited stereotype of white people I can think of is that of a redneck: uncouth,uneducated, and racist.

Does it count is said stereotype is used most often by other white people? Seriously asking here, cause the Redneck stereotype seems less a race one than a class one.

 

[Goliath]

Here's the thing, I'm not comparing two different levels of injustice. That's what you're doing. Blacks/Hispanics having it worse doesn't make the lives of struggling Asians any better, so constantly pointing it out has absolutely no benefit for anyone.

I don't understand what you are trying to get at. No one is trying to say that Asians have it worse than blacks or Hispanics. We're saying that Asians also face discrimination in America, and it shouldn't be ignored. Most Asians, especially the younger generation born in America, support the fight of other minorities for justice.

The only people benefiting from the Oppression Olympics are the people at the top.

EDIT: To make it clear what my opinion is, the Duke professor is an absolute idiot and should be fired. A classic example of paternalistic racism and stereotyping at it's best.

I feel like you guys are forgetting the point of the conversation. We didn't bring up the Asian Immigrants vs. Black/Hispanics. That is what the Duke Professor did. It is not an original argument and the only reason we are talking about it and comparing it is because Asian Immigrant success has been used to BASH Blacks and Hispanics.

People aren't trying to ignore Asian discrimination but when you have stats showing how well off Asians as a group are doing vs. stats showing that whites with criminal records get chosen over college educated Blacks for jobs, and stats showing police targeting Blacks/Hispanics and they both as a group are underrepresented in colleges and higher level jobs. How much empathy do you want?

 

[guek]

Okay? I don't think anyone is arguing that.

Statistics represent the groups as a whole- So is it not fair to ask what differentiates one group from another? I'm in no way defending this professor, as it paints a rather simple picture for what is a very complex issue... But is it not right to point out that there may be cultural differences among ethnic/racial groups that are advantageous in our society?

And I think that Asian students are forced to get better academic scores to compete with other Asians, a trend which has reared it's ugly head in the Ivy League schools.

Actually, yes, people in this very thread are trying to downplay any social ills Asians face by saying, hey, at least they have it better than other minorities. That's the only reason these differences have been brought up at all.

And Asians aren't competing in a vacuum in academia, they're held to an unfair higher standard across the board. But no one cares because hey, at least they don't have it as tough as the other minorities! So fuck em!

 

[HisImperialMajesty]

The one mean spirited stereotype of white people I can think of is that of a redneck: uncouth,uneducated, and racist.

A redneck isn't a race though. It's a specific subset of white people defined by geographical location and level of education.

I'm talking about stereotypes about ALL white people. Can you think of any? Whereas stereotypes against minority populations are painted by a large brush to apply to ALL individuals.

 

[Enzom21]

I wonder if there's a way to express myself, while you guys know, that me, being a minority (mexican), have opinion on the matter, but, it would somehow rub someone the wrong way.

The man is right, everyone should try to be the best they can be. Show people that they can be a better example of a human being, disregarding their skin color or characteristics (he botched it by saying race).

The sad thing is that segregation has caused, that a lot of this people don't have the same chances as everyone else.

And i use the word chances because oportunity implies that luck has no part in it.

Afraid to say something else because i've gotten banned from dumb stuff like this

Say what you feel.

 

[Goliath]

A redneck isn't a race though. It's a specific subset of white people defined by geographical location and level of education.

I'm talking about stereotypes about ALL white people. Can you think of any? Whereas stereotypes against minority populations are painted by a large brush to apply to ALL individuals.

Exactly. Even more fun when your Puerto Rican which is in the Caribbean and your lumped in with South Americans with a very different culture, situation and make up but in the U.S., you all speak Spanish so HISPANIC it is.

 

[Maxim726X]

Actually, yes, people in this very thread are trying to downplay any social ills Asians face by saying, hey, at least they have it better than other minorities. That's the only reason these differences have been brought up at all.

And Asians aren't competing in a vacuum in academia, they're held to an unfair higher standard across the board. But no one cares because hey, at least they don't have it as tough as the other minorities! So fuck em!

No, it's being brought up because as a whole, they fare better than any other minority in the country and in many metrics fare better than whites. Again, I haven't seen a single post proclaiming that Asians face no challenges in this country-- Everyone faces challenges in this country, but as whole some groups have a harder time than others.

And though you may be right in saying that Asians have a harder time competing in the job market because of their race, there is very little objective evidence to prove it... But there is ample evidence to prove that they face problems in academia.

 

[HisImperialMajesty]

I feel like you guys are forgetting the point of the conversation. We didn't bring up the Asian Immigrants vs. Black/Hispanics. That is what the Duke Professor did. It is not an original argument and the only reason we are talking about it and comparing it is because Asian Immigrant success has been used to BASH Blacks and Hispanics.

People aren't trying to ignore Asian discrimination but when you have stats showing how well off Asians as a group are doing vs. stats showing that whites with criminal records get chosen over college educated Blacks for jobs, and stats showing police targeting Blacks/Hispanics and they both as a group are underrepresented in colleges and higher level jobs. How much empathy do you want?

I don't think any of the Asians in this thread agree with the Duke professor. WE'RE SICK OF BEING THE MODEL MINORITY. The statement by the Duke professor is just as offensive to Asian Americans as it is to Black/Hispanics. Just because many individuals within our community have achieved success doesn't mean our community doesn't have problems (many of which were brought up within the thread) and that we don't experience racism. Just because many individuals within our community have achieved success doesn't mean we WANT to be used as an example to bash other minority populations.

Yes, we want your empathy. I'm giving you mine. I appreciate everything that African Americans have done to advance the plight of all minority groups in this country. I empathize with the fight of my fellow black and Hispanic Americans against racism, social and systemic. I want you to realize that the Asian model minority stereotype is a fantasy fabricated by the media, and that although our plight may be different in many aspects, we're still fighting against racism.

We're all in this together. Having minority communities bicker against one another helps none of us, and only supports those seeking to oppress us.

 

[guek]

No, it's being brought up because as a whole, they fare better than any other minority in the country and in many metrics fare better than whites.

What is the purpose of pointing this out other than to say Asian American problems aren't important? Who does it help?

 

[guek]

I don't think any of the Asians in this thread agree with the Duke professor. WE'RE SICK OF BEING THE MODEL MINORITY. The statement by the Duke professor is just as offensive to Asian Americans as it is to Black/Hispanics. Just because many individuals within our community have achieved success doesn't mean our community doesn't have problems (many of which were brought up within the thread) and that we don't experience racism. Just because many individuals within our community have achieved success doesn't mean we WANT to be used as an example to bash other minority populations.

Yes, we want your empathy. I'm giving you mine. I appreciate everything that African Americans have done to advance the plight of all minority groups in this country. I empathize with the fight of my fellow black and Hispanic Americans against racism, social and systemic. I want you to realize that the Asian model minority stereotype is a fantasy fabricated by the media, and that although our plight may be different in many aspects, we're still fighting against racism.

We're all in this together. Having minority communities bicker against one another helps none of us, and only supports those seeking to oppress us.

Extremely well said. *Asian bro-fist*

 

[Maxim726X]

What is the purpose of pointing this out other than to say Asian American problems aren't important? Who does it help?

Those who are struggling socioeconomically?

Why shouldn't this be a topic that is discussed? Bluntly, as a whole, the Asian American experience in this country is much better than the Black American experience.

How is that offensive, exactly?

 

[A Link to the Past]

The problem with this logic, besides everything, is that it puts the onus upon black people to have traditionally white names in order to integrate instead of putting the onus on white people to integrate by accepting "black-sounding names". He characterizes it as if it's black people's duty to "become a part of society", when in fact society has the duty of integrating them without erasing their identity.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I don't think any of the Asians in this thread agree with the Duke professor. WE'RE SICK OF BEING THE MODEL MINORITY. The statement by the Duke professor is just as offensive to Asian Americans as it is to Black/Hispanics. Just because many individuals within our community have achieved success doesn't mean our community doesn't have problems (many of which were brought up within the thread) and that we don't experience racism. Just because many individuals within our community have achieved success doesn't mean we WANT to be used as an example to bash other minority populations.

Yes, we want your empathy. I'm giving you mine. I appreciate everything that African Americans have done to advance the plight of all minority groups in this country. I empathize with the fight of my fellow black and Hispanic Americans against racism, social and systemic. I want you to realize that the Asian model minority stereotype is a fantasy fabricated by the media, and that although our plight may be different in many aspects, we're still fighting against racism.

We're all in this together. Having minority communities bicker against one another helps none of us, and only supports those seeking to oppress us.

My man.

On a related note, I've always wondered why the NAACP doesn't also represent the concerns and needs of Asian, South and Central Americans? We're all people of color and are dealing with quite a bit of the same shit. A bigger tent means a stronger bat when it's time to swing for change.

 

[Usobuko]

Isn't the reason why asians and blacks are arguing in this thread part of what model minority aims to create?

When it should be both races empathizing with each other and help to highlight the issues each face?

 

[see5harp]

Pretty disgusting comments. One thing that has really surprised me though is how quickly the Vietnamese integrated. I would assume a large majority of immigrants and refugees that came over after the Vietnam war were basically starting from nothing. If you look at dentist and doctor lists nowadays, it seems like I see more and more Vietnamese last names.

My man.

On a related note, I've always wondered why the NAACP doesn't also represent the concerns and needs of Asian, South and Central Americans? We're all people of color and are dealing with quite a bit of the same shit. A bigger tent means a stronger bat when it's time to swing for change.

EDIT: Strangely enough my parent's now deceased neighbor was actually a Japanese dude and worked for the NAACP (he was had a high ranking in the org also). His wife was black though, so I'm sure that had something to do with it.

 

[Enzom21]

I don't think any of the Asians in this thread agree with the Duke professor. WE'RE SICK OF BEING THE MODEL MINORITY. The statement by the Duke professor is just as offensive to Asian Americans as it is to Black/Hispanics. Just because many individuals within our community have achieved success doesn't mean our community doesn't have problems (many of which were brought up within the thread) and that we don't experience racism. Just because many individuals within our community have achieved success doesn't mean we WANT to be used as an example to bash other minority populations.

Yes, we want your empathy. I'm giving you mine. I appreciate everything that African Americans have done to advance the plight of all minority groups in this country. I empathize with the fight of my fellow black and Hispanic Americans against racism, social and systemic. I want you to realize that the Asian model minority stereotype is a fantasy fabricated by the media, and that although our plight may be different in many aspects, we're still fighting against racism.

We're all in this together. Having minority communities bicker against one another helps none of us, and only supports those seeking to oppress us.

These people share your sentiment.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sahra-vang-nguyen/asian-americans-a-popular_b_6357922.html
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~hist32/Hi... Movement and the Asian American Movement.htm

 

[Bleepey]

Pretty disgusting comments. One thing that has really surprised me though is how quickly the Vietnamese integrated. I would assume a large majority of immigrants and refugees that came over after the Vietnam war were basically starting from nothing. If you look at dentist and doctor lists nowadays, it seems like I see more and more Vietnamese last names.


EDIT: Strangely enough my parent's now deceased neighbor was actually a Japanese dude and worked for the NAACP (he was had a high ranking in the org also). His wife was black though, so I'm sure that had something to do with it.

A friend of mine is a black dude from Louissiana which according to him has a fairly sizeable and successful Vietnamese community. He is practically old money, his grandfather was a doctor and prominent businessman, even has his own wikipedia page. He often talked about how a lot of immigrant communities like this not only established base and businesses in black communities in his neck of the woods, but they practiced group economics which kept money in their community which allowed them to continue to grow further. He got frustrated with black people not practicing group economics like other groups. I fear I am getting side tracked and off point.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

I don't think any of the Asians in this thread agree with the Duke professor. WE'RE SICK OF BEING THE MODEL MINORITY. The statement by the Duke professor is just as offensive to Asian Americans as it is to Black/Hispanics. Just because many individuals within our community have achieved success doesn't mean our community doesn't have problems (many of which were brought up within the thread) and that we don't experience racism. Just because many individuals within our community have achieved success doesn't mean we WANT to be used as an example to bash other minority populations.

Yes, we want your empathy. I'm giving you mine. I appreciate everything that African Americans have done to advance the plight of all minority groups in this country. I empathize with the fight of my fellow black and Hispanic Americans against racism, social and systemic. I want you to realize that the Asian model minority stereotype is a fantasy fabricated by the media, and that although our plight may be different in many aspects, we're still fighting against racism.

We're all in this together. Having minority communities bicker against one another helps none of us, and only supports those seeking to oppress us.

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Thanks for voicing this out. Exactly my sentiment.

Asian immigrants being paraded around for being able to 'integrate well' or 'succeed through non-complaining hard work' is a very, very tired trope. It's not only unfair to expect all Asian immigrants to conform to such a suffocating standard, but it also is often used as a wedge between minorities.

 

[Goliath]

I don't think any of the Asians in this thread agree with the Duke professor. WE'RE SICK OF BEING THE MODEL MINORITY. The statement by the Duke professor is just as offensive to Asian Americans as it is to Black/Hispanics. Just because many individuals within our community have achieved success doesn't mean our community doesn't have problems (many of which were brought up within the thread) and that we don't experience racism. Just because many individuals within our community have achieved success doesn't mean we WANT to be used as an example to bash other minority populations.

Yes, we want your empathy. I'm giving you mine. I appreciate everything that African Americans have done to advance the plight of all minority groups in this country. I empathize with the fight of my fellow black and Hispanic Americans against racism, social and systemic. I want you to realize that the Asian model minority stereotype is a fantasy fabricated by the media, and that although our plight may be different in many aspects, we're still fighting against racism.

We're all in this together. Having minority communities bicker against one another helps none of us, and only supports those seeking to oppress us.

You bring up good points and your group like many other groups that face discrimination have my empathy. I understand that it is not Asian Immigrants or Asian Americans using the "model minority" argument. It's ignorant bigots who are just looking to once again victim blame. In truth we are definitely stronger as a unit fighting for equality then nit picking each other.

 

[Cavalier]

I don't think any of the Asians in this thread agree with the Duke professor. WE'RE SICK OF BEING THE MODEL MINORITY. The statement by the Duke professor is just as offensive to Asian Americans as it is to Black/Hispanics. Just because many individuals within our community have achieved success doesn't mean our community doesn't have problems (many of which were brought up within the thread) and that we don't experience racism. Just because many individuals within our community have achieved success doesn't mean we WANT to be used as an example to bash other minority populations.

Yes, we want your empathy. I'm giving you mine. I appreciate everything that African Americans have done to advance the plight of all minority groups in this country. I empathize with the fight of my fellow black and Hispanic Americans against racism, social and systemic. I want you to realize that the Asian model minority stereotype is a fantasy fabricated by the media, and that although our plight may be different in many aspects, we're still fighting against racism.

We're all in this together. Having minority communities bicker against one another helps none of us, and only supports those seeking to oppress us.

I for one don't care about model minority bullcrap.

I'm going to reserve my judgment until I see all the facts and numbers. He's planning on releasing a book on all of the research he did on African American and Asian communities in America. I mean the guy was a disciple of Martin Luther King Jr. in the 1950's and he has seen a lot more than what most of you pitch-forkers have seen in your lifetime.

There is a hint of truth from what he has said. He just approached it the wrong way and presented it incompletely.

 

[Heaven's Thunder Hammer]

What this guy has said is completely politically incorrect and comes across as a total jerk...

But what is wrong with blacks working harder, starting more small businesses and getting good marks in school, entering college more and producing more graduates?

Blacks having the same outcomes as Asians would be a good thing. What else am I missing?

 

[Chariot]

What this guy has said is completely politically incorrect and comes across as a total jerk...

But what is wrong with blacks working harder, starting more small businesses and getting good marks in school, entering college more and producing more graduates?

Blacks having the same outcomes as Asians would be a good thing. What else am I missing?

lol. Do you think black people were lazing around until now and didn't work hard and try to get good marks?

 

[EdibleKnife]

What this guy has said is completely politically incorrect and comes across as a total jerk...

But what is wrong with blacks working harder, starting more small businesses and getting good marks in school, entering college more and producing more graduates?

Blacks having the same outcomes as Asians would be a good thing. What else am I missing?

Black people have been doing and attempting to do that exact thing since they gained freedom from slavery but at every turn they're held back from that exact thing by centuries of institutionalized racism

 

[number47]

I for one don't care about model minority bullcrap.

I'm going to reserve my judgment until I see all the facts and numbers. He's planning on releasing a book on all of the research he did on African American and Asian communities in America. I mean the guy was a disciple of Martin Luther King Jr. in the 1950's and he has seen a lot more than what most of you pitch-forkers have seen in your lifetime.

There is a hint of truth from what he has said. He just approached it the wrong way and presented it incompletely.

Question. What were Jim crow laws? And how did they work?

 

[kirblar]

What this guy has said is completely politically incorrect and comes across as a total jerk...

But what is wrong with blacks working harder, starting more small businesses and getting good marks in school, entering college more and producing more graduates?

Blacks having the same outcomes as Asians would be a good thing. What else am I missing?

To have the same outcomes and have culture be to blame, they would need to be provided the same inputs in terms of monetary, social, and other forms of capital. Those things are not even remotely close to being equivalent between the two ethnic groups (You can thank slavery and institutionalized racism for that) , and so trying to compare their end results is like telling a farmer who can't afford fertilizer that hes not working hard enough when his crops aren't as big as his neighbor's.