I hate this kind of talk for perpetuating the notion that Asians somehow have it easy.
I'm Asian.
Parents are immigrants.
Grew up in a family of 5 with an annual income of about 25k.
Moved around constantly due to my dad's work.
All 3 kids went to college.
Faced regular discrimination throughout my life.
I'm a doctor.
Life was hard for a long fuckin time.
Haha. I get you. My parents were FOB refugees (In a weird way, I have communism to thank for me being born in the US) when they set foot in the US. Funny story, I thought I had it awesome in elementary school because I only had to pay a quarter for school lunch while everyone had to pay like $2. It's only later in life I found out the reason was because my parents were broke as fuck. I also didn't have health insurance until my mom got a decent job at a factory when I started highschool.
How in the hell does the protagonist of Philip Roth's Human Stain gets fired and ostracized for something innocuous when this guy nearly gets a raise in comparison!
Immigrated with my mother when I was 4.
Grew up in family of 3 (Mom, sister) with an annual income of 25K
Moved around constantly due to my mom's work (MA->IL->Taipei->NY->NJ->NJ).
Both my sister and I went to college (sister went to UPenn + Wharton MBA)
Life was hard for a long fuckin' time (maybe more so because my Mom was a single Mom).
But let's be real: "Faced regular discrimination" is not something I would say Asians could compare to what black Americans go through. Sure, there were some names thrown my way when I was growing up, but I don't think I'd call that "discrimination".
In a sense, there is a positive Asian stereotype that works in our favor that simply isn't present for black Americans. Good at math, studies hard, nerd, quiet, well behaved, etc.
In the big picture of things, Asians do have it relatively "easy" compared to Hispanics or blacks. I don't think you can even compare the levels of actual, systemic discrimination faced by blacks with what is faced by Asians partially because of the positive stereotypes associated with Asians.
Let's be honest here: Getting into Wharton has a lot to do with hard work, but IQ is the determining factor. There is a danger in attributing success to hard work, when we're not all blank slates.
I hate this kind of talk for perpetuating the notion that Asians somehow have it easy.
I'm Asian.
Parents are immigrants.
Grew up in a family of 5 with an annual income of about 25k.
Moved around constantly due to my dad's work.
All 3 kids went to college.
Faced regular discrimination throughout my life.
I'm a doctor.
Life was hard for a long fuckin time.
I apologize if my post came across as trying to say that every Asian has it easy. I definitely understand that is not the case. My question is, looking at the numbers, on average, do Asian immigrants come to the U.S. in larger numbers with education and money over Hispanic immigrants?
And yes, I am sure you dealt with your fair share of discrimination over the course of growing up but do you think that American culture views you better or worse then Hispanics or Blacks? If someone was gonna stereotype you and "guess" what job you had, I guarantee it be something with math, computers and requires education. As a Hispanic when I have run into people who felt the need to guess or assume what my job is, it's usually something with construction even though I am a Biological researcher.
Let's be honest here: Getting into Wharton has a lot to do with hard work, but IQ is the determining factor. There is a danger in attributing success to hard work, when we're not all blank slates.
I'm not attributing it to either hard work or IQ. I don't understand your point.
All I'm saying is that Asians simply don't face the same type and level of discrimination that blacks and Hispanics face in the US. If anything, there are positive stereotypes working in favor of many Asians. To say "Well I'm Asian and I overcame discrimination and a poor upbringing, so can black people" is kind of a shallow view of reality and IMO, kind of insultingly simplistic.
I've had the occasional name calling thrown my way, but I don't feel that I've been discriminated against professionally or academically.
I'm not attributing it to either hard work or IQ. I don't understand your point.
All I'm saying is that Asians simply don't face the same type and level of discrimination that blacks and Hispanics face in the US. If anything, there are positive stereotypes working in favor of many Asians.
I've had the occasional name calling thrown my way, but I've never been discriminated against (well, maybe once or twice playing pickup basketball).
I apologize if my post came across as trying to say that every Asian has it easy. I definitely understand that is not the case. My question is, looking at the numbers, on average, do Asian immigrants come to the U.S. in larger numbers with education and money over Hispanic immigrants?
And yes, I am sure you dealt with your fair share of discrimination over the course of growing up but do you think that American culture views you better or worse then Hispanics or Blacks? If someone was gonna stereotype you and "guess" what job you had, I guarantee it be something with math, computers and requires education. As a Hispanic when I have run into people who felt the need to guess or assume what my job is, it's usually something with construction even though I am a Biological researcher.
I'm just not comfortable with ignoring any struggle one group has because another has historically had it tougher. Asians don't, by virtue of being Asian, have things easy, just like black people aren't lazy because they're black. Then there are the poor white families that no one seems to notice because they're not a minority.
I'm not saying there aren't benefits exclusive to being Asian, just that in the grand scheme, low income families are going to have it rough no matter what.
I'm just not comfortable with ignoring any struggle one group has because another has historically had it tougher. Asians don't, by virtue of being Asian, have things easy, just like black people aren't lazy because they're black. Then there are the poor white families that no one seems to notice because they're not a minority.
I'm not saying there aren't benefits exclusive to being Asian, just that in the grand scheme, low income families are going to have it rough no matter what.
Obviously poor White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, anything.....have an uphill battle. That much has little debate. The problem is this article tried to compare Asian immigrant success and tried to paint it as something Blacks could acquire if they just "worked harder" and had better names. I have seen this same argument used against Hispanic Immigrants when compared to Asian Immigrants.
The problem is the systematic racism and stereotypes is not the same for all minorities. Asians are looked up to as an immigrant culture by white Americans. They are labeled as smart, great at math or computers and generally good at school. Of course there are some negative stereotypes but overall Americans consider you smart.
Hispanic immigrants and Blacks are not seen the same way. While white America looks at Asians as hard workers, Blacks are looked upon as lazy, leeches and criminals. Hispanics are also considered lazy, government leeches, criminals and only good for physical labor jobs. But still somehow even though we are considered lazy we are also trashed for "taking" jobs.
In the hiring process whose stereotypes do think will improve their chances of getting hired, all things being equal? We already know the answer.
I have had this discussion with my wife who is white and Jewish. She tells me about the stereotypes she faced, cheap, money hungry, etc. Meanwhile her group is also considered great at school, smart and well off. I told her I would trade being stereotyped as a rapist or criminal and being pulled over often by police if they would instead just consider me greedy and a cheapskate.
By the way, I am Puerto Rican. Nobody in my family was an immigrant and we are all American citizens even though we may not be treated that way.
Hispanics are also considered lazy, government leeches, criminals and only good for physical labor jobs. But still somehow even though we are considered lazy we are also trashed for "taking" jobs.
Obviously poor White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, anything.....have an uphill battle. That much has little debate. The problem is this article tried to compare Asian immigrant success and tried to paint it as something Blacks could acquire if they just "worked harder" and had better names. I have seen this same argument used against Hispanic Immigrants when compared to Asian Immigrants.
The problem is the systematic racism and stereotypes is not the same for all minorities. Asians are looked up to as an immigrant culture by white Americans. They are labeled as smart, great at math or computers and generally good at school. Of course there are some negative stereotypes but overall Americans consider you smart.
Hispanic immigrants and Blacks are not seen the same way. While white America looks at Asians as hard workers, Blacks are looked upon as lazy, leeches and criminals. Hispanics are also considered lazy, government leeches, criminals and only good for physical labor jobs. But still somehow even though we are considered lazy we are also trashed for "taking" jobs.
In the hiring process whose stereotypes do think will improve their chances of getting hired, all things being equal? We already know the answer.
I have had this discussion with my wife who is white and Jewish. She tells me about the stereotypes she faced, cheap, money hungry, etc. Meanwhile her group is also considered great at school, smart and well off. I told her I would trade being stereotyped as a rapist or criminal and being pulled over often by police if they would instead just consider me greedy and a cheapskate.
By the way, I am Puerto Rican. Nobody in my family was an immigrant and we are all American citizens even though we may not be treated that way.
Of course our experiences aren't equal. I'd be remiss if I pretended Asians were as heavily impacted by systematic racism and negative stereotypes. Being "looked up to" though by whites sounds great in theory, and may have a few perks, but it can also be used as another form of societal segregation and labeling. A lot of what you're describing depends heavily on what part of the US you're growing up in as well. Had my family stayed in southern California, I'm sure my outlook would be very different. I ended up in Idaho though and despite being part of a "good" minority, I was often made to deliberately feel like an outsider. It's just not always as cut and dry as we'd like to think. This is a good example of how being part of a minority group that's labeled as "one of the good ones" can be harmful. Look at how hard I have to work to have some of the struggles I went through taken seriously. How do you think it makes me feel when people basically imply I couldn't have had it that bad because I'm Asian when I think of all the times I was called chink by total strangers, or how on my first day of high school, a senior threatened to kick my ass if I touched any of his stuff with my chink hands? It shouldn't be a contest for who was oppressed the most (not that I'm accusing you of turning it into one). That's why I get irked whenever people say Asians have it easier, or even saying white people have it easy. Some do, some don't, and struggle is struggle regardless of your ethnicity.
I'm not attributing it to either hard work or IQ. I don't understand your point.
All I'm saying is that Asians simply don't face the same type and level of discrimination that blacks and Hispanics face in the US. If anything, there are positive stereotypes working in favor of many Asians. To say "Well I'm Asian and I overcame discrimination and a poor upbringing, so can black people" is kind of a shallow view of reality and IMO, kind of insultingly simplistic.
I've had the occasional name calling thrown my way, but I don't feel that I've been discriminated against professionally or academically.
I'm not attributing it to either hard work or IQ. I don't understand your point.
All I'm saying is that Asians simply don't face the same type and level of discrimination that blacks and Hispanics face in the US. If anything, there are positive stereotypes working in favor of many Asians. To say "Well I'm Asian and I overcame discrimination and a poor upbringing, so can black people" is kind of a shallow view of reality and IMO, kind of insultingly simplistic.
I've had the occasional name calling thrown my way, but I don't feel that I've been discriminated against professionally or academically.
Interesting. I work in tech and I often do see forms of discrimination leveled towards Chinese or Indians. They often call into question their ability to lead, their managerial skills, their willingness to admit fault, etc. This is all told to me in a whisper during casual conversation, and this type of talk is a roadblock to promotions.
Interesting. I work in tech and I often do see forms of discrimination leveled towards Chinese or Indians. They often call into question their ability to lead, their managerial skills, their willingness to admit fault, etc. This is all told to me in a whisper during casual conversation, and this type of talk is a roadblock to promotions.
A new report on diversity in Silicon Valley shows that Asians and Asian-Americans are well-represented in lower-level positions — but, in comparison, severely underrepresented at the management and executive levels at five large, established tech companies.
But you cannot compare this with discrimination preventing you from getting a job in the first place. You're comparing "issue with getting promoted" versus "issue with getting resume read"; there have been multiple studies that have shown applicants with the same background but with "black" names get much lower rates of callbacks.
Immigrated with my mother when I was 4.
Grew up in family of 3 (Mom, sister) with an annual income of 25K
Moved around constantly due to my mom's work (MA->IL->Taipei->NY->NJ->NJ).
Both my sister and I went to college (sister went to UPenn + Wharton MBA)
Life was hard for a long fuckin' time (maybe more so because my Mom was a single Mom).
But let's be real: "Faced regular discrimination" is not something I would say Asians could compare to what black Americans go through. Sure, there were some names thrown my way when I was growing up, but I don't think I'd call that "discrimination".
In a sense, there is a positive Asian stereotype that works in our favor that simply isn't present for black Americans. Good at math, studies hard, nerd, quiet, well behaved, etc.
In the big picture of things, Asians do have it relatively "easy" compared to Hispanics or blacks. I don't think you can even compare the levels of actual, systemic discrimination faced by blacks with what is faced by Asians partially because of the positive stereotypes associated with Asians.
i dont agree with just looking at it on a macro level and surmising one's experience. It really depends on each individual's situation. there are situations and circumstances where an asian individual may experience more racism/discrimination than a black or hispanic. its a case by case scenario.
Blacks get positive racism, too, but it's largely keyed to males.. Athleticism, charisma, fortitude in sexuality and masculinity, etc..
The positive racism of asians is very interesting. The stereotype is that their intelligence is very mechanical and non-creative, which doesn't square with the reality of industry in Asian countries. Nevertheless, asians are stereotyped against occupying managerial and leadership positions in American industry and public political roles.
The positive racism of asians is very interesting. The stereotype is that their intelligence is very mechanical and non-creative, which doesn't square with the reality. Nevertheless, asians are stereotype against occupying managerial and leadership positions in American industry and public political roles.
The "boo-hoo, at least you're not [insert other minority]" response I see so often is incredibly discouraging. And it's another example of positive racism still having a negative effect!
The "boo-hoo, at least you're not [insert other minority]" response I see so often is incredibly discouraging. And it's another example of positive racism still having a negative effect!
1) Asian culture has never been a really dominant part of Americana in the same way that black culture has been. Jazz, blues, rap, hip-hop, gang culture; there is nothing that really identifies Asians culturally in the US because Asian culture has been largely under-represented in the US outside of martial arts. All of the cultural movements associated with black America can be seen as "disruptive" and "dangerous" to the dominant, conservative white culture of the time.
2) While many early Asian immigrants were enslaved as well, the conditions of their enslavement were very different because it was a different era.
3) You can argue about the basis of the Civil War, but one of the outcomes of it was the Emancipation Proclamation and a losing side that went to war to keep their rights to enslave people. I think there is still a bitterness over that loss to the North.
The positive racism of asians is very interesting. The stereotype is that their intelligence is very mechanical and non-creative, which doesn't square with the reality of industry in Asian countries. Nevertheless, asians are stereotyped against occupying managerial and leadership positions in American industry and public political roles.
Asian American : $68,088[1]
Pacific Islands American : $ 58,859[1]
White American : $ 54,857[1] (includes White Hispanics)
Total Population : $ 51,914[1]
Native American : $ 38,806[1]
African American : $ 35,341[1]
You cannot compare a group that was involuntarily brought over and placed into some chronically destructive social patterns to a group where only the most determined voluntarily come over with a plan.
Of course our experiences aren't equal. I'd be remiss if I pretended Asians were as heavily impacted by systematic racism and negative stereotypes. Being "looked up to" though by whites sounds great in theory, and may have a few perks, but it can also be used as another form of societal segregation and labeling. A lot of what you're describing depends heavily on what part of the US you're growing up in as well. Had my family stayed in southern California, I'm sure my outlook would be very different. I ended up in Idaho though and despite being part of a "good" minority, I was often made to deliberately feel like an outsider. It's just not always as cut and dry as we'd like to think. This is a good example of how being part of a minority group that's labeled as "one of the good ones" can be harmful. Look at how hard I have to work to have some of the struggles I went through taken seriously. How do you think it makes me feel when people basically imply I couldn't have had it that bad because I'm Asian when I think of all the times I was called chink by total strangers, or how on my first day of high school, a senior threatened to kick my ass if I touched any of his stuff with my chink hands? It shouldn't be a contest for who was oppressed the most (not that I'm accusing you of turning it into one). That's why I get irked whenever people say Asians have it easier, or even saying white people have it easy. Some do, some don't, and struggle is struggle regardless of your ethnicity.
When your talking about a country as large and diverse as the U.S., obviously when making general statements your gonna find exceptions. The thing is, that is what they are exceptions. Women, Men, White, Black, Asian, Christian, Jewish etc.. all have different experiences in the U.S.
However when we compare groups we have to look at the contributing factors that lead to their success or we are not really being honest. Many bigoted Americans try to paint Blacks and Hispanics as lazy and victims of their own "culture" which is why they are under represented in Universities and management positions, while over represented in prison. This completely ignores a system that goes after them from the beginning, starts them off with limited resources and poor education and pretends to be surprised that students from a gang riddled school with poor teachers and over filled classes preforms worse then kids on the right side of the tracks with well educated parents, good schools and teachers who teach.
We all struggle but we all don't start off at the same point in the starting line, we all don't have the same hurdles to overcome and we all don't have the same support group preparing us for the life. I am sorry you had a hard time as a child and grew up with racist insults. Grade schooling can be bad for a lot of people however a lot of that changes when you go to college and get a job for some. Now pretend your Black or Hispanic and it's not just students in grade school looking down at you, it's your teachers, principal, Bosses or even potential Bosses. Imagine having a name that you know just by it being associated with a particular minority group meant that it was more likely to be ignored when submitting your resume.
I think one fact people might not realize when they compare Asian immigrants to Hispanic immigrants or African Americans, is that many times when Asians immigrate, they come to the U.S. with MONEY and EDUCATION.
The model minority thing is bullshit. For one thing is completely ignores the giant population of uneducated Asians that are both very poor and uneducated. For example, the cooks at your favorite Chinese takeout place. Also, and perhaps more importantly, it ignores a systemic level of racism that blacks face but Asians do not.
When your talking about a country as large and diverse as the U.S., obviously when making general statements your gonna find exceptions. The thing is, that is what they are exceptions. Women, Men, White, Black, Asian, Christian, Jewish etc.. all have different experiences in the U.S.
However when we compare groups we have to look at the contributing factors that lead to their success or we are not really being honest. Many bigoted Americans try to paint Blacks and Hispanics as lazy and victims of their own "culture" which is why they are under represented in Universities and management positions, while over represented in prison. This completely ignores a system that goes after them from the beginning, starts them off with limited resources and poor education and pretends to be surprised that students from a gang riddled school with poor teachers and over filled classes preforms worse then kids on the right side of the tracks with well educated parents, good schools and teachers who teach.
We all struggle but we all don't start off at the same point in the starting line, we all don't have the same hurdles to overcome and we all don't have the same support group preparing us for the life. I am sorry you had a hard time as a child and grew up with racist insults. Grade schooling can be bad for a lot of people however a lot of that changes when you go to college and get a job for some. Now pretend your Black or Hispanic and it's not just students in grade school looking down at you, it's your teachers, principal, Bosses or even potential Bosses. Imagine having a name that you know just by it being associated with a particular minority group meant that it was more likely to be ignored when submitting your resume.
again, you are making sweeping generalizations when these kinds of things should always be judged ona case by case scenario. you keep bringing up blacks in a low economic systematic struggle but all black people dont come from the ghetto brah. hell, looking at each race as one monolithic group of people and then surmising someone's racial inequality is the wrong way to discuss it imo. every person's situation is different.
The model minority thing is bullshit. For one thing is completely ignores the giant population of uneducated Asians that are both very poor and uneducated. For example, the cooks at your favorite Chinese takeout place. Also, and perhaps more importantly, it ignores a systemic level of racism that blacks face but Asians do not.
Depending on where you live. The cooks at most of the "Authentic" Mexican, Italian, Chinese, Korean, Jamaican and Japanese in my area are Hispanic in the kitchen. In the front they are represented by their respective races but a look behind the curtain and you can clearly see and hear Hispanics in the back. It's even a standard thing for head chiefs to learn Spanish to speak to their staff.
Many racists use the myth of inherent black athletic superiority to to imply black athletes devoted less blood sweat and tears to achieving athletic success in their field. That is a two edged sword.
But you cannot compare this with discrimination preventing you from getting a job in the first place. You're comparing "issue with getting promoted" versus "issue with getting resume read"; there have been multiple studies that have shown applicants with the same background but with "black" names get much lower rates of callbacks.
Depending on where you live. The cooks at most of the "Authentic" Mexican, Italian, Chinese, Korean, Jamaican and Japanese in my area are Hispanic in the kitchen. In the front they are represented by their respective races but a look behind the curtain and you can clearly see and hear Hispanics in the back. It's even a standard thing for head chiefs to learn Spanish to speak to their staff.
My mom has a rental property that is rented out to all Hispanic residents and she commented to me one day that she had the most amazing shrimp dish one time when she went there to collect rent. I asked her what type of dish it was and she said it was an Italian pasta dish
So yeah, this is very much true in most low end to mid-range eateries. Maybe even higher end places.
Many racists use the myth of inherent black athletic superiority to to imply black athletes devoted less blood sweat and tears to achieving athletic success in their field. That is a two edged sword.
On top of that if you're not going in an athletic field it's a rather pointless positive stereotype.
Woohoo you're supposed to be great at basketball, that's going to help if you're searching for a position of software architect :/
again, you are making sweeping generalizations when these kinds of things should always be judged ona case by case scenario. you keep bringing up blacks in a low economic systematic struggle but all black people dont come from the ghetto brah. hell, looking at each race as one monolithic group pf people and then surmising someone's racial inequality is the wrong way to discuss it imo. every person's situation is different.
Not saying all Hispanics or Blacks come from the ghetto. However I think it is safe to assume if the city is majority Hispanic, Black or both, the public schools are usually worse, many jobs are pulled from that immediate area, police presence and brutality is higher and the housing market in that area is worse. White flight is real and realtors have been known to scare white families by planting black moms walking their babies in a stroller in neighborhoods to convince people to sell out of fear that their housing prices will drastically drop by the presence of Black or Hispanic families.
If you are gonna help social groups that need help using the federal government, there is no other way but to look at groups as a whole. Policies are made in general sweeps and not done on a case by case basis. When you look at the unemployment rate within the Black community, when you look at the police conduct to the Black and Hispanic community, when you look at the studies showing that lower wage jobs would call back a white male with a CRIMINAL record instead of a clean record African American male with some higher level education, you gotta make broad changes.
Depending on where you live. The cooks at most of the "Authentic" Mexican, Italian, Chinese, Korean, Jamaican and Japanese in my area are Hispanic in the kitchen. In the front they are represented by their respective races but a look behind the curtain and you can clearly see and hear Hispanics in the back. It's even a standard thing for head chiefs to learn Spanish to speak to their staff.
Many racists use the myth of inherent black athletic superiority to to imply black athletes devoted less blood sweat and tears to achieving athletic success in their field. That is a two edged sword.
1) Asian culture has never been a really dominant part of Americana in the same way that black culture has been. Jazz, blues, rap, hip-hop, gang culture; there is nothing that really identifies Asians culturally in the US because Asian culture has been largely under-represented in the US outside of martial arts. All of the cultural movements associated with black America can be seen as "disruptive" and "dangerous" to the dominant, conservative white culture of the time.
2) While many early Asian immigrants were enslaved as well, the conditions of their enslavement were very different because it was a different era.
3) You can argue about the basis of the Civil War, but one of the outcomes of it was the Emancipation Proclamation and a losing side that went to war to keep their rights to enslave people. I think there is still a bitterness over that loss to the North.
My mom has a rental property that is rented out to all Hispanic residents and she commented to me one day that she had the most amazing shrimp dish one time when she went there to collect rent. I asked her what type of dish it was and she said it was an Italian pasta dish
So yeah, this is very much true in most low end to mid-range eateries. Maybe even higher end places.
Definitely in the higher end places as well. Watch food network and watch the episodes where those Iron Chef's go to their own restaurants to show it off. When you go to the kitchen you will see and hear Spanish being spoken.
In my area there is a lot of cultural diversity and when I come back from overseas travel I look to see if we have authentic restaurants where I can get my new favorite foods. When I went to Japan I fell in love with Takoyaki and Katsu Kuri. Loved it!! So when I came back home and looked online for an authentic place that served these dishes and more. I found an awesome one, well rated and next to a Japanese Supermaket. It's always busy and the cliental, owner and servers are majority Japanese. Mad legit. Take a tiny peak in the kitchen, all of them from El Salvador, LOL.
No, reason why they can't make the dishes as well as a resident from that country with the proper training.
Many racists use the myth of inherent black athletic superiority to to imply black athletes devoted less blood sweat and tears to achieving athletic success in their field. That is a two edged sword.
Is it really a myth, though? Honest question. I was under the impression that it was pretty well accepted in the scientific community that different ethnicities tend excel at different kinds of athletic pursuits due to their genetics. Like, East African runners and North European heavy lifters.
Is it really a myth, though? Honest question. I was under the impression that it was pretty well accepted in the scientific community that different ethnicities tend excel at different kinds of athletic pursuits due to their genetics. Like, East African runners and North European heavy lifters.
You've refuted the myth yourself by using specific subsets of a group of people.
"East African" runners. "North European" heavy lifters.
There are some populations that live in higher elevations of Asia that have been shown to have elevated levels of hemoglobin, allowing them to survive better in an environment that's low in atmospheric oxygen. That doesn't mean that all yellow people have the same genetic attribute. The genetics of people and populations are affected by their environments and Africa (like Asia or Europe) is an incredibly diverse set of environments that yield sub-sets of the population that have genetic advantages over others (height, muscularity, arm length, skin color, etc).
Many racists use the myth of inherent black athletic superiority to to imply black athletes devoted less blood sweat and tears to achieving athletic success in their field. That is a two edged sword.
Same thing happens with Asians when it comes to math/science. Many people assume that Asians are born with "high IQ" and thus didn't have to work as hard to succeed in those fields. The same justification is used to discriminate against Asian college applicants, where it's ok that colleges require Asians to score higher to gain entrance.
probably the whole freedom of speech crap. same thing happened recently with a black female professor at BU. she was only suspended and not fired for tweeting racist tweets against white people.
The thing is I don't think naming kids names like Latrell, Lakisha, D'brickashaw is the big issue, it's what people associate with those names. When people see names like that, they think they are poorly educated and other negative black stereotypes. If people who name their kids names like this had children who were seen as more like to be well-performing students then maybe some of the discrimination arising from these names might be reduced That said I don't know how Latrell Washington may fare in the job market with an identical CV to a Nigerian guy like Adebola Akintayo. Both are black but one is seen as a model minority.
Exactly. Lots of new Chinese immigrants still use their phonetic Chinese names (eg: Xiaoping, Qishan, Zhongzhe) and it doesn't seem to hurt their chances in STEM fields, thanks to this weird "model minority" racism. Like, if someone were hiring a programmer or engineer, they'd probably prefer Xiaoping over Latrell. So, uhh, yay.
Exactly. Lots of new Chinese immigrants still use their phonetic Chinese names (eg: Xiaoping, Qishan, Zhongzhe) and it doesn't seem to hurt their chances in STEM fields, thanks to this weird "model minority" racism. Like, if someone were hiring a programmer or engineer, they'd probably prefer Xiaoping over Latrell. So, uhh, yay.
If Xiaoping and Latrell had the same exact background, same education, same achievement, and same exact personalities, I'd hire Latrell over Xiaoping knowing that he had to go through so much more shit to get to the same place.
I think one fact people might not realize when they compare Asian immigrants to Hispanic immigrants or African Americans, is that many times when Asians immigrate, they come to the U.S. with MONEY and EDUCATION.
Tell all the kitchen and waitstaff at your local Chinese takeout place about all the privileges they have due to all the money and education they brought over.
Go to any Chinatown in any large city and come back and tell about all the rich Chinese immigrants walking around. There won't be that many - most of these ethnic enclaves are largely working class.
Don't perpetuate stereotypes without knowing what you are talking about.
