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[excelsiorlef]

Yes, because as I said the scene affects BOTH their characters.



I didn't say anything about being badass. It's a catalyst for change.

Change/badass/whatever that's what I meant, and yes my point is you are saying she had to get raped because the guy needs his development too. Meaning when offered a way to grow her character without rape you said what about the guy. Meaning the rape happens for his benefit (because again her character could be developed another way without it).

 

[reddmyst]

Feels hypocritical with everything else that's happened in the show.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

But again using a rape of a woman to give motivation to a male character to act is lazy writing. That's part of the criticism.

Like no offense you basically just all but said she had to get raped because how else is he going to get redeemed.

Excuse the poor quality, but is this scene "lazy writing"? From RotJ:

Again, Sansa having sex with Ramsay was something that had to happen from her perspective. Sansa knew it was going to suck. Reek knew it was going to suck. Reek being forced to watch as part of his ongoing torture (and presumably the beginning of hers) was the swerve neither of them saw coming.

Sure, they could have written the scene with Ramsay and Sansa going off to their bedroom hand in hand (or even dumped in there naked, like a traditional Southron wedding), closed the door, and shown Reek quietly whimpering in some far corner of the castle *fade to black*

That's not who Ramsay is. That doesn't show dutiful sacrifice on Sansa's part. That doesn't show newfound pain in Theon. The scene, as written, reflects all 3 characters as we know them.

 

[block tower]

Outrage culture...

pretty much

 

[WrenchNinja]

you understand that ramsey is a man who flays people for fun and hunts his exes with dogs right? while tyrion is gentle guy who didnt want to marry sansa in the first place?

people are acting like this is somehow out of Ramsey's character to do.

Yes I do understand that. At what point did I call him out of character?

Tyrion was a very odd case, and wasn't normal at all in this universe. He got a lot of shit from daddy and others for it. To expect the same thing from Ramsey is hilarious.

Not as hilarious as Petyr's whole plan or the choreography in the last episode

 

[Arkeband]

I can understand why people would say that it isn't true to Sansa's character, but even the book readers don't know what's going to happen to her. For all we know Harry the Heir brutally rapes her in the books and flips that storyline on its head.

There's nothing GRRM loves more than subverting ecpectations, and there's no character who has miraculously kept his/her chastity more than Sansa. To pretend that because she's lasted five books narrowly avoiding sexual violence means she'll last 7 books avoiding sexual violence kind of misses the theme of the series.

People who don't read the books but want Game of Thrones to be a progressive mirror to our real world and be fair to all sexes and races and empower everyone clearly is watching the show for the wrong reasons. I want those things for our world as much as anyone else but forcing them upon a fantasy world and reasoning "they could write it any way they want to" loses its clout when you're actually saying "they need to write it the way I want them to".

 

[Metroxed]

Yes, it was rape.

It was rape by today's standards. Not by fantasy Middle Ages' standards.

I think it has been pretty well established already that most noble houses pre-arrenge their marriage. Hell, sometimes the bride and broom barely knew each other beforre marrying (eg Catelyn and Eddard) and yet they had to consumate that same night. So what happened with Sansa was pretty normal within its context.

The problem here is that people are a) trying to apply today's moral standards to a fictional shows based in the Middle Ages, where violence has already been shown to be the norm, b) at the same time being rather hypocrites, because it is not the first time the series shows violence, sexual or otherwise. Just two episodes ago we were told how Bolton raped Ramsay's mother. Yet no one seemed to give half a crap.

We've seen children and babies being murdered by the dozens, beheadings, raping and attempt raping, killings of people and animals, killing pregnant women and their unbornt children, mass killings of people based on their ethnic origin (wildlings), slavery, sexual slavery, male genital mutilation, the list goes on.... but now this is the thing that outrages everybody? Something that hardly classifies as rape on the context it is taking place? Of course it is rape if it happened to someone today. Of course marital rape is a pretty big issue. But we are not talking about today or here. We are in fucking Westeros in the fucking Middle Ages.

They say the scene was completely pointless and could've just implied it? When Robert's bastards were killed in season 2, they could also have just "implied" that a baby was killed in front of her mother. The scene had no point really, but still nobody complained.

Nobody really complained about how valuable scenes were until now and with this topic specifically. In my opinion, completely nonsense.

And the people threatening with quitting the show.... lol. People have been saying the same thing season after season (Eddard in S01E09, Red Wedding in S03E09, Oberyn's fate in S04E08). They can leave or not, but I do not think it's going to have a big impact on the show's ratings.


/rant

 

[youbastards]

Feels hypocritical with everything else that's happened in the show.

 

[Shaanyboi]

The show absolutely did not trivialize rape with the Sansa scene. It's a horrific act and it was portrayed about as horrifically as you can without actually depicting the rape.

The scene was utterly pointless. Regardless of what happens in the books and who is involved, the scene did nothing to change how we viewed these characters. Just "yeah, this guy is still a fucking scumbag. Yup, things are still pretty shit for Sansa." It's weird to call a rape scene "needless" as it implies there are times where it is needed, but ultimately it was needless. It just happened for shock value. It was done to Sansa just so it could be done to Sansa.

It was a shitty shitty move.

 

[Opto]

So it's an appeal to the masses? Look up logical fallacies, and then get back to me. I'll wait.

An appeal from a disempowered and oppressed group sick of being uncared for both in real life and on the screen.

Forcing her back into the role of victim and sexually humiliating her at the hands of yet another sadistic fiance adds nothing that we haven’t seen before, and indeed, feels regressive. All the forward momentum of her character development is undercut by this assault, transforming her back into the same little girl she was at King’s Landing, weeping as her dress was torn off. Shoehorning additional abuse and rape into her story at this point isn’t just upsetting; it’s boring and counterproductive. Poorly done, show. Poorly done.

 

[Wreck-It Ralph]

An evil character does something evil. I don't see the problem.

I don't see how this scene is trivializing rape at all. It's pretty explicitly saying that rape is a horrible thing. It's saying, "Hey, people who rape are as evil as this guy who flays people alive and cut off Theon's dong."

 

[Ralemont]

Which is another things the writers have written! They have the power to not write these things and not create the scenario where the only solution is "whelp, gotta have Sansa get raped here". I don't even think this was the only way to take what they've written, either. This was a choice they made, not some inevitable conclusion to a story they have no control over.

I never claimed otherwise. I'm saying it plays a clear role in what the writers HAVE written. Some are claiming the scene is just there because it's terrible. Or that it's gratuitous. In my opinion, that's dumb, because it's both a catalyst of change for Theon and cementing just how far Sansa is willing to go to take Winterfell over again. It's not just there for the sake of it, and it doesn't trivialize rape.

Change/badass/whatever that's what I meant, and yes my point is you are saying she had to get raped because the guy needs his development too. Meaning when offered a way to grow her character without rape you said what about the guy. Meaning the rape happens for his benefit (because again her character could be developed another way without it).

It happened because of all of the above. It was a part of two character arcs, it was a natural development considering the previous plot developments, and it fits with the setting and tone of the show.

The argument against the scene comes down to 1. you shouldn't depict rape or 2. it's just another terrible thing that's pointless to show. 1 I don't agree with and 2 either disregards the above or claims knowledge of the direction of the show from here on out that one couldn't possibly know.

 

[bengraven]

Oh HBO's official Youtube...

In search of a gotcha moment, writer shows himself to be culturally illiterate.

Those moved the story forward, in fairness. And though I would say "Why would you need to do it twice"...it's...um...relevant to current events?

(I still haven't read Thousand, though, so no spoilers. I just know there's a rape involved...I believe to the main character)

Yes that's what it must be, he's just pretending or exaggerating for clicks and sales, definitely could never be a genuine opinion.

I didn't post it because I hated his opinion - I said I wouldn't have posted it otherwise.

The "non-accusation" that either the reader or author is "getting off" via the rape scenes in a book makes me ignore the rest of his argument.

You can tell when someone is arguing something and they're all over the place because they're still working things out in their head as they're typing on the computer.

Like, say, my post history in controversial threads lately...

 

[AstroZombie]

In the world of Ice and Fire, i.e. Planetos, was Sansa even raped? She agreed with the plan to marry Ramsey at Deepwood Motte and followed through with the plan. The marriage was always going to be consummated. It was abnormal that Tyrion didn't take his wife. This is the land of rape and bedding ceremonies.

Too many Darth Sansa stairs GIFs and progressive feminism being applied to a show set in the middle ages.

Faux outrage similar to the Witcher 3 complaints.

 

[suzu]

The Ramsay/Winterfell stuff in the books is mostly focused on Theon's arc, so throwing Sansa in there is screwing up her story arc.

I know the show wanted to cut/move things around, but I wasn't a fan of this change (and a bunch of other changes..).

 

[scabro]

Yes I do understand that. At what point did I call him out of character?


Not as hilarious as Petyr's whole plan or the choreography in the last episode

Well you asked why it was necessary for them to have sex at that point, so quickly, and then referenced Tyrion's wedding to Sansa. When Ramsey is a sick fuck and only cares about being a demented fuck to others because he can.

There's nothing that necessitated Ramsey to hunt his exes with dogs either but he still did it. The point is that him raping Sansa isn't shocking, nor is it something that should feel like the writers pulled out of their ass, because it perfectly fits Ramsey's character.

 

[Confrontation]

I think the writers did women a favor by not letting those 3 chicks get wrecked by Bronn and Jaime. What a joke.

 

[flyover]

If Sansa is going to be sexually abused by Ramsay, why make it explicit? The scene could have ended with a bedding scene, and the last thing we see is a closed door. That way, it's a bit more ambiguous and tasteful.

Yeah, if they had to do it at all -- and I'm not sure they did -- that's how it should've been handled. "No, Reek. You're going to watch." Door closes. The end.

I think the showrunners botched it, all around. They screwed it up on several counts.

• As you said, the scene lingered too long. We didn't need to hear Sansa's screams to know that this wasn't something she wanted. (Even if she knew sex was part of the arrangement, rape isn't always about whether or not you have sex. It can be about objecting to how you have sex, which something the people who think this wasn't rape at all seem to miss.)
  
• By showing Theon's reaction, they implied that this scene was really all about him. Probably not what they intended (they just didn't want to show the actual sex), but that's the visual story we were told.
  
• The scene undid the Sansa we've seen over the last season. Her conversations with Littlefinger and Myranda seemed to show that she is willing to do what it takes to get her ultimate revenge. Though it still may have been problematic, it would have been more in line with her growth if we saw her pretend to go along with it, as part of the price she's willing to pay, for now. At least we've seen that on the show before, in some form: Margaery with Tommen, Cersei with Lancel, etc.

 

[crazyrabbits]

It's not the inverse. This (making this marriage) is basically the first thing Sansa has done toward building a future for herself. And Sansa's plot did not "work well" in the books, she didn't do a goddamn thing in 5 books.

Uh...no.

http://grantland.com/hollywood-pros...he-bolton-stark-alliance-and-the-sand-snakes/

What’s worse than portraying a sexual assault? Not knowing that you are. “A hardened woman making a choice” is a statement that seems to fundamentally misunderstand what the show has been portraying over the last few seasons. Sansa depends on Littlefinger for her safety, indeed for her survival. Sure, she doesn’t believe in princes and fairy tales anymore. But “a hardened woman”? She has no means by which to fend for herself and is, along with Tyrion, one of the most wanted persons in the realm. At every point along the way, the choices Sansa has made to cope with her increasingly dire situation have been the equivalent of a prisoner decorating her cell. She’s “decided” to play along because all the other options likely end with her head on a spike. Could she have sold Petyr Baelish out to the nobles of the Vale? Sure, but putting herself in the care of yet more strangers could easily lead to her death. Could she have refused to go to Winterfell to wed Ramsay? Well, she actually did several times. Until Littlefinger convinced her. But let’s not pretend that Littlefinger and Sansa enjoy a relationship of equal footing. Also, he couldn’t have left her a few bodyguards?

As for why Littlefinger would allow Sansa to fall into the clutches of the Boltons and the serial rapist and murderer Ramsay, Cogman said: “The difference between the Ramsay Snow of the books and the show is the Ramsay of the show is not a famous psycho. He’s not known everywhere as a psycho. So Littlefinger doesn’t have the intelligence on him.” Yeah, no. That flies about as well as a dead raven.

Let’s put aside the fact that Ramsay recently had the flayed bodies of Lord and Lady Cerwyn hanging for all to see in the yard at Winterfell, and that he keeps Theon Greyjoy, only the last living son of the Lord of the Iron Islands — and thus one of the most (in)famous persons in the realm, certainly among the top three most recognizable faces in the North — as his mutilated thrall. And that the Bolton House sigil is a fucking flayed man. And that the Boltons betrayed the Starks. Knowing what we know about Littlefinger, based on, oh, four seasons of fairly calculated Machiavellian string-pulling — he was behind the downfall of Jon Arryn, he played Ned Stark like a violin, he facilitated the Purple Wedding, and he seized control of the Vale with a simple push — there is approximately zero percent chance he would broker a marriage deal with the Boltons without doing his due diligence on them. That would not ever happen. This guy is supposed to be the mastermind-behind-the-guy-behind-the-guy. Baelish taking a calculated risk with Sansa’s safety as part of a larger plot would at least make sense. Sansa getting raped because Littlefinger was flat-out lazy and inept doesn’t earn the brutal shock of the scene.

And yes, even the book version of Sansa was more developed than this, via her decision to own her sexuality and begin making her own plans to take control of her own life. Here, it's manipulative, poorly-executed and seemingly thrown in for shock value, just like Barristan's death.

As I'm not particularly motivated to go on rants, I'll just end my involvement in this topic.

 

[ivysaur12]

So entire narratives should focus around tip toeing around controversial issues?

Again -- I don't understand, at this time, the narrative purpose that it serves, and I don't really trust the show to do it justice because of breadth of narrative that they have to cover.

If they're going to delve into Sansa as a survivor, I'm open to that. But going off of how they handled Cersei and Dany, and how much terrain they have to cover, I don't see them giving the story its necessary worth. And then it becomes sort of for shock value and doesn't really accomplish anything narratively.

Entire narratives should focus on being the best they can. Using rape for shock value is not that. Again -- let's see what happens with 507, 508, 509, and 510, but I'm skeptical they'll actually give the moment its weight.

It's quite clearly about both of them. The scene, I mean.

It's a scene about Sansa being raped and goes off on Theon. I'm not really convinced it's about Sansa, more than using Sansa's torture as a catalyst for Theon.

 

[Opto]

Historical accuracy is a cowardly defense. Westeros' "Middle Ages" have been going on for over a thousand years. And when you're fishing to call it anything but rape by using fantasy land law as an argument, that's pretty sickening.

 

[Speevy]

I must object that Sansa's rape undoes the character development.

She may have escaped being Joffrey's plaything, but she also escaped being forced to have sex with Tyrion because Tyrion is a good guy.

Now she's playing the political game with even worse players and raised stakes. She didn't need to get raped at all, but she will come out of this situation with more agency than she had running from the table in King's Landing.

I would be very surprised if she didn't emerge from this admittedly unnecessary rape as a better person. This should be the worst thing that happens to her this season.

 

[thecheese]

The scene felt like a natural progression of the story that's unfolding. It would have been a glaring omission if they had not included some sort of insight into what Sansa and Ramsey's wedding night was like. I don't see how some people can say it was just for shock value. Knowing Ramsey's character up to this point, what exactly are you shocked about? And all we see is Theon's reaction, so how does that come off as gratuitous? Maybe I would understand better had I read the books.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Well you asked why it was necessary for them to have sex at that point, so quickly, and then referenced Tyrion's wedding to Sansa. When Ramsey is a sick fuck and only cares about being a demented fuck to others because he can.

There's nothing that necessitated Ramsey to hunt his exes with dogs either but he still did it. The point is that him raping Sansa isn't shocking, nor is it something that should feel like the writers pulled out of their ass, because it perfectly fits Ramsey's character.

No, I didn't ask that. I didn't specify what I asked. I should have been clearer. Why was it necessary to have Sansa marry him now in episode 6? Was it in character for Ramsay to wait this long? Why wasnt the marriage immiediete? Why not have the marriage happen right before Stannis attacks causing the whole thing to be avoided? The writers wanted the marriage and rape in, but neither was necessary. We already know Sansa and Theon hate the Boltons, and we already know Ramsay is a monster, so it didn't really serve a purpose. Now Sansa and Theon are extra pissed and scared I guess?

 

[KingK]

I do think it's silly for people to get angry that a series featuring the brutality of the dark ages would depict a rape. The show had done it before, as it should, but that doesn't mean people can't complain about scenes for more specific reasons. Jaime raping Cersei last season, for example, was a fucking terrible scene, not because it depicted rape, but because it ruined several episodes of character development for Jaime and then was never really addressed again. I haven't been watching this season and am probably done with the show, so i haven't seen the scene in question here, but i have no faith left in the show runners so i wouldn't doubt it's a shitty scene added for shock value.

What's the point of exact adaptation? We already got the books. To translate it scene by scene would be a waste of people's time.

I agree in general. Unfortunately in this case the people running the show aren't very good, so all of the enjoyable content is the stuff they lift directly from the book and changes/original content tends to be pretty bad. You'll always have people complaining about how an adaptation isn't following the source material enough, but i bet you'd get a lot less of that if the changes and added content were actually good and worked most of the time.

 

[stilgar]

We're judging an artistic creation from a moral point of view. This is pathetic.

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

Where was the anti rape/torture brigade when Theon was getting his comeuppance?

 

[Blader]

That is the most laughable plan. If Stannis retakes Winterfell, he'll kill all of the Boltons regardless of whatever Sansa does. Which is all Sansa wants: for them to die. It'll happen without her doing anything. Sansa is a brain dead character if a plan is simply to wait for Stannis to kill the Boltons. She could do that from the Vale, lol. The plan is better off being ????

It wasn't Sansa's plan to go to Winterfell and marry Ramsay, it was Littlefinger's (though she agrees with the plan when it's presented to her). As we've been reminded twice now in the show, the Starks still have supporters in the North; Sansa being there to rally their support to her is fewer people to lend their support to Bolton when Stannis inevitably arrives.

Having Sansa in the Vale when the whole battle goes down makes Stannis' job that much harder and legitimizes Bolton's role as warden of the north more; at least Bolton is from a northern family, while Stannis is just an invader. Sansa being there and married to Ramsay gives her back of degree of control over Winterfell when all's said and done, none of which she would have if she was still single, virgin, and off in the Vale.

The show is starting to piss me off now.

There's too many changes from what's in the books.

What's the point in making a TV series about the books if you're not fucking following them?

Because, as in the case of every adaptation ever, deviations are inevitable? And many times even improve on the original story?

The show doing something differently from the books is not automatically bad writing, as much as it may feel that way to book readers.

 

[excelsiorlef]

We're judging an artistic creation from a moral point of view. This is pathetic.

Art just doesn't exist in some vacuum

Birth of a Nation was art, it's still racist as fuck.

 

[NickFire]

I don't know what is more shocking. That people are really outraging about seeing something bad happen to someone on GoT (rape included), or that people are acting like this is anywhere close to the worst that has happened to someone on that show. Fuck, this isn't even the worst thing that happened to this one character.

I miss the days when the time / cost it took to mail a letter allowed for people to make jokes or push the envelope in media without the outrage police calling in mass for firings, boycotts, and neutering of content. Fortunately GoT, like GTA, makes far too much money to cave to the twitter crowd.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

It sounds pretty applicable with the weird jumping through hoops to not call a duck a duck.

She traveled there because Petyr told her that she could get her home back. A marriage requires a consummation, but it doesn't need to be immediate as seen with Tyrion. The writers have been making shit up the entire series, even more so with this season, there's nothing that necessitated the marriage and intercourse happen at all.

Tyrion spared Sansa as a courtesy, not because the plot demanded it. It's because he's a nice guy underneath all the swearing and fornicating and occasional murder. She was half his age, he was in love with someone else, and deep down he knows he spites his father every day he resists (the whole point of the pairing was to have Tyrion's sons be heirs to Winterfell, not to give Tyrion a beautiful wife). And Tyrion got shit for it everyday they were together, because everyone knew they had not done it yet so the marriage didn't mean shit.

The fact that he did not consummate the marriage is of direct relevance to this wedding - as they never boned, they are not husband and wife for life under Westerosi/Seven law, which is the loophole that allows her to remarry while he still lives.

Now, knowing this, and knowing the kind of appetites Ramsay has, why would he wait? For either the wedding or the consummation, knowing what he has to gain with Sansa as both his wife and mother of his children, he has just as much motivation to get her pregnant as fast as possible (especially with his dad dropping hints that he'll have a step-brother) as he has motivation to keep her alive so the other Northern houses don't burn Winterfell to the ground.

We're judging an artistic creation from a moral point of view. This is pathetic.

It's not wrong to say that an artistic creation is racist or sexist; it's wrong to say that portrayals of racism and sexism are off limits because those are bad things. This is like when Spike Lee got offended by the use of the N word in Django. Yeah Spike, they used it a lot, but it's fucking 1850s Southern US plantation owners.

 

[stilgar]

Art just doesn't exist in some vacuum

Birth of a Nation was art, it's still racist as fuck.

"It was art"

 

[Garjon]

The scene was the top hat on a rubbish episode in a rubbish season. The stuff in Highgarden already put me in a sour mood and the rape scene actually made me a bit angry. Rape scenes annoy me because they are very overused and often very little respect is given to what rape does to people - Sansa should be changed permanently after this, as should have been Cersei in the previous season yet things will no doubt go on as normal now as they did the previous time and just about every time in almost every depiction before that. The fact that Dany was changed for the better after her rape does not excuse the show - being raped does not make the victim suddenly desire to control the relationship but I was willing to suspend my disbelief as I was interested in her empowerment arc. It is a cheap way for a shoddy writer to glean shock from an audience, except that these scenes have been so overdone that we are never shocked by them anymore, they are just unpleasant.
On the other hand, murder and torture are very much given respect in shows; torture is most often shown to change a person severely and killing off a character almost always has consequences for the show's direction.
I think what made this scene worse in particular is that Sansa was finally beginning to show depth to her character and the sort of gritty world wariness that is fitting with this show - she was finally beginning to become a strong female character and instead she is pretty much being used to further Theon's redemption/revenge story. Female characters being used solely to develop male characters is an epidemic in modern film, TV and especially games and it is especially disappointing to see a once groundbreaking series utilise this cliche.

(I retract the last part of this post if it turns out the writers actually DO respect the gravity of an act of rape but somehow I'm not optimistic on that front)

 

[ultron87]

Where was the anti rape/torture brigade when Theon was getting his comeuppance?

Probably getting sick of it once it stopped telling us anything new about Ramsey or Theon and was just him getting increasingly mutilated episode by episode without moving the plot. I know I was.

 

[PreFire]

I almost stopped watching 300 after Leonidas' wife was raped by that prick from the wire (idk his name but I hate him just from that movie lol)

Rape is very ugly, more sinister than murder tbh. It should never be depicted in movies or television. Who knows how many rapists or people with those types of fantasies get off with those kinds of scenes. Even when a rape happens off screen, it sickens me. I'm a man, but I have two sisters, a mother and a daughter whom I love and care for very much.

I don't watch/never thought about watching GOT and now I definitely won't. Rape is too extreme.. Ever since the movie "KIDS" (which a bunch of my friends were in) it's proven to me it will make me uncomfortable (Casper, rip, banged the sleeping girl)

Seriously, I can't even read about a rape in a storybook. All rapists deserve life imprisonment or death penalties if they're serial IMO

 

[ivysaur12]

No, I didn't ask that. I didn't specify what I asked. I should have been clearer. Why was it necessary to have Sansa marry him now in episode 6? Was it in character for Ramsay to wait this long? Why wasnt the marriage immiediete? Why not have the marriage happen right before Stannis attacks causing the whole thing to be avoided? The writers wanted the marriage and rape in, but neither was necessary. We already know Sansa and Theon hate the Boltons, and we already know Ramsay is a monster, so it didn't really serve a purpose. Now Sansa and Theon are extra pissed and scared I guess?

That's where I am. What did it accomplish, exactly? It makes Sansa hate Ramsay super extra more?

I don't think Sansa stays in Winterfell for much longer, given the way her narrative seems to be set up, so why even do it? If Sansa is rescued by Brienne before the Battle of Winterfell (or during), what was the point? Just to have Sansa be raped because "bad things happen"? And are we ever going to engage with Sansa after she was raped? That certainly didn't happen with Dany or Cersei.

 

[Corronchilejano]

Where was the anti rape/torture brigade when Theon was getting his comeuppance?

I think people are more angry at the fact that everything they believed was building up on Sansa suddenly crumbled honestly. Plus, male castration is less of a problem than rape in todays society.

 

[plasmawave]

Decent blog entry by a fantasy writer:

Why Are You Writing A Rape Scene?



http://www.robertjacksonbennett.com/blog/why-are-you-writing-a-rape-scene

Errbody getting their two cents in while the iron is hot.

Replace anything with a 6 year old boy and it's going to sound awful.

 

[norm9]

Fire the guy that plays Ramsay.

 

[BennyBlanco]

We're judging an artistic creation from a moral point of view. This is pathetic.

Exactly. If brutal sadism towards fictional characters is something that horrifies and offends you, you should've stopped watching this show years ago.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Now, knowing this, and knowing the kind of appetites Ramsay has, why would he wait? For either the wedding or the consummation, knowing what he has to gain with Sansa as both his wife and mother of his children, he has just as much motivation to get her pregnant as fast as possible (especially with his dad dropping hints that he'll have a step-brother) as he has motivation to keep her alive so the other Northern houses don't burn Winterfell to the ground.

I don't know, why did he wait this long to get married to begin with? He waited over a month considering Petyr managed to make it back to King's Landing.

 

[Timbuktu]

The shine has worn off for the series; people aren't as entertained as they used to be and the show can't just say they are doing what the books did anymore.

 

[stilgar]

I almost stopped watching 300 after Leonidas' wife was raped by that prick from the wire (idk his name but I hate him just from that movie lol)

Rape is very ugly, more sinister than murder tbh. It should never be depicted in movies or television. Who knows how many rapists or people with those types of fantasies get off with those kinds of scenes. Even when a rape happens off screen, it sickens me. I'm a man, but I have two sisters, a mother and a daughter whom I love and care for very much.

I don't watch/never thought about watching GOT and now I definitely won't. Rape is too extreme.. Ever since the movie "KIDS" (which a bunch of my friends were in) it's proven to me it will make me uncomfortable (Casper, rip, banged the sleeping girl)

Seriously, I can't even read about a rape in a storybook. All rapists deserve life imprisonment or death penalties if they're serial IMO

Rape is more sinister than murder.only on GAF.

 

[excelsiorlef]

"It was art"

Ooooook.

 

[heliosRAzi]

Rape is very ugly, more sinister than murder tbh.

Why?

 

[Dictator93]

This show depicts so much horrible stuff happening to sympathetic characters. The world these people live in the fiction allows this stuff to happen given its social structures and moral code.

Is it surprising that it happened in universe?

 

[Shiina]

The only way I can see people getting legitimately upset about this is if they have read the books and realize that

Spoiler

Sansa's character is getting shoehorned even further into the damsel in distress role in the show, much unlike the books so far.

Otherwise I really don't understand the complaints.

 

[afternoon delight]

I almost stopped watching 300 after Leonidas' wife was raped by that prick from the wire (idk his name but I hate him just from that movie lol)

Rape is very ugly, more sinister than murder tbh. It should never be depicted in movies or television. Who knows how many rapists or people with those types of fantasies get off with those kinds of scenes. Even when a rape happens off screen, it sickens me. I'm a man, but I have two sisters, a mother and a daughter whom I love and care for very much.

I don't watch/never thought about watching GOT and now I definitely won't. Rape is too extreme.. Ever since the movie "KIDS" (which a bunch of my friends were in) it's proven to me it will make me uncomfortable (Casper, rip, banged the sleeping girl)

Seriously, I can't even read about a rape in a storybook. All rapists deserve life imprisonment or death penalties if they're serial IMO

This is how books are banned in local libraries.

 

[stilgar]

Ooooook.

I'm sorry but what were you implying?

He's using violent crime to make the plot go further. Nothing to compare with an ideological vehicle like BoaN

 

[excelsiorlef]

I'm sorry but what were you implying?

Something being "Art" is not some get out criticism free card. And moral and intellectual analysis of art is valid and part of the whole artistic system.