this one is easy. they didn't show it but to get the information barry agreed to a deal.
and thus since he is a hero he kept up his side after getting the information like any good hero should do.
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this one is easy. they didn't show it but to get the information barry agreed to a deal.
and thus since he is a hero he kept up his side after getting the information like any good hero should do.
Huh. Okay, thanks!
Anyway, pretty good ending to the season. Wasn't entirely on board in the beginning because they seemed to shy away from conflict, I didn't really get the rules under which the Flash operates, and I was pretty disappointed by the resolution to the first time jump episode, but the final episodes got me, and overall the show had a much better idea of what it's doing than the first season of Arrow.
Hope they can keep it up for season two!
I can buy that. Though that just makes Barry a big jerk for coming back and punching the sphere apart. Haha. Thawne held up his end of the deal.
indeed it does, but at the same time barry discovered it was a trap (as otherwise his other self wouldn't have told him not to stop it) and thus had every reason to come back and stop wells...
and then wells had every reason to be mad and threaten to kill everyone lol.
That's right. The newspaper. I'm dumb.
CMojicaAce
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This is the reason I love the Flash. For scenes like these.
So colorful.
The Silver
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That chump couldn't lace Eobard's boots.
He gonna come back from the timestream all angry and shit and Barry's gonna hit em with the
pock3tmonster
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The time machine seemed more like a backup plan, prepared in case Barry didn't save his Mum. Because saving his Mum should have restored Eobard back to the future.
This makes the heroes look even shittier. They are willing to risk destroying the universe and allowing a mass murderer to go free (into the future where they can't even stop him) just for a shot at saving one of their mothers.
These guys have some skewed priorities.
Loooool
Apparently you do
i guess...In my defense I've had a few.
Off topic, but can someone PLEASE edit the Last Guardian in here for a E3 gif. So it will look like Barry is traveling into the future when TLG finally gets announced lol.
Yeah that would be an awesome use of this gif. Could also just replace the future visions with footage of games we're all hyped to see.
we will see, as there is no way they don't address why barry told himself to stop.
I mean maybe they don't... with time travel rules, he doesn't actually have to know the reason why, he just has to make sure to do it when it's his turn to be the older flash. but still I imagine they will.
Can't stop watching the last 30 sec: https://youtu.be/IgKZhyCyfdQ
I dare you guys to find a more spectacular TV effects scene.
I dare you guys to find a more spectacular TV effects scene.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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EddieIsTheGuyYouKill
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If Cavanaugh comes back as a regular I guess he will be the real Wells.
When Eddie shoot himself you can see Eboard revert to his original appearance before being erased, maybe it was a sign that his identity theft was undone.
When Eddie shoot himself you can see Eboard revert to his original appearance before being erased, maybe it was a sign that his identity theft was undone.
StopMakingSense
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Well, some permutation of Eddie kills himself to stop Eobard was always sort of on the table as a possibility.
Yep grant has killed it as the flash much like Cavanagh kill it as Wells. The wait is absolutely going to be horrible. I believe the cw season starts back the first week of october so we have till then.
TheVampire
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Why didnt Eddie just shoot himself in the balls?
Napoleonthechimp
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I thought it was a bit disappointing. I expected a little more.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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RIP
I'm listening to this as I see this: https://youtu.be/gBR-kUu_87Y?list=PLOmvzQ07mVTBrpON5gKGsPGA6jUQg_u68
Goddamn, Eddie. You sweet, good-hearted, beautiful son of a bitch. Like Tommy before you, you were the true hero of this season.
Bros in Heaven, together forever:
Eddie will come back as Reverse Flash and Tommy will come back as The Red Hood. Next season, heroes haunted by their greatest friends.
Fantastic.
I mean, yeah. Probably the Zoom version.
"I was there in that singularity for so long, Barry. You passed me by. Left me there. I waited and you never saved me. I had to save myself. You've found a better life with Iris. My life, Barry. And I've come to take it back. I've come to make you a better hero. So you can save everyone."
Oh fuck, that'd be killer.
Hmmmm... shoot myself in the balls and be a eunach forever or go out like a baller and permanently etch myself as a hero in the midst of a desperate situation with only seconds to go before everyone dies
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Did they ever say just how related Eddie and Eobard are? Is Eobard a direct descendant?
Stein called him his great great great great grandfather I believe.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Great to the N dad.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Did Stein know for sure?
Basically, my thought is that Eobard isn't a direct descendant of Eddie, but Eddie is the reason Eobard was able to discover the identity of the Flash, as he was a person in-the-know.
So Eddie killing himself would have the same immediate effect... but Eobard would still be out there.
Yay! thanks Nabs.
Mix Master
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The scene with barry and his mom shitted all over the entirety of S3 Arrow.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Ok, so where do we begin.
That was just... heart-wrenching and amazing. What a way to cap the season. Might have to go scene by scene...
- Okay, first off, props to Eddie Thawne/Rick Cosnett. Dude killed it tonight! Before killing himself, going out like the heroic baller we all knew him to be. He really was Barry's Tommy in a sense. Barry went back in time to save one person. Eddie shot himself to save all his friends. I just find that dichotomy interesting, and I hope Eddie's death leaves a major impact on Barry. That scene is just done amazingly too, everyone just freaks the hell out. Joe screaming "WHAT DID YOU DO!?" just sells it. Even Wells is fucking surprised as shit. That scene where Wells' real face comes out, everyone's like "whaaaaat". I like RF's last words "I've controlled your life for so long, Barry... how will you get along without me?" Perfect for the Reverse of the hero.
- Jesus Christ, let's rename this show 'Super Dads'. So many feels and heart-to-hearts and tears. First, the two scenes with Joe. Goddamn it. Then the scene with Henry. Goddamn it. Then the scene with Harrison motherfucking Wells where the motherfucker's actually being fucking genuine about how he cares for Barry despite hating Future Barry and you can tell he's fucking torn up about this shit, but he's fucking psycho so he's gonna do it any fucking way. Goddamn it.
- Cisco confronting Wells. Great scene.
- Those fucking special effects! The SFX team in this show deserves all the love in the world. They are killing it!
- That scene with Barry and his mom. Gustin's been killing it all season, and this episode was a real stand-out. That scene with his mom? The emotional crux of this entire season. I nearly cried. From him closing the door when she's stabbed and starting to break down to him talking to her, all those fucking tears. Goddamn it, Gustin. Blake Neely's score was perfect here.
- The wormhole! The Man in Yellow lives! Eddie will come back! I love the idea of him coming back as a shade, a shadow of Barry, come back to make him into an even better hero, but all twisted and broken.
- Killer Frost Caitlyn!? NOOOOOOOOOOO, My baby, nooooooooooo. Though damn, she's killing it in that outfit. Is that our Caitlyn, or another universe's?
- Lol, Stein is a rabbi.
- FUCKING TIME TRAVEL PUNCH, MOTHERFUCKERS.
That was just... heart-wrenching and amazing. What a way to cap the season. Might have to go scene by scene...
- Okay, first off, props to Eddie Thawne/Rick Cosnett. Dude killed it tonight! Before killing himself, going out like the heroic baller we all knew him to be. He really was Barry's Tommy in a sense. Barry went back in time to save one person. Eddie shot himself to save all his friends. I just find that dichotomy interesting, and I hope Eddie's death leaves a major impact on Barry. That scene is just done amazingly too, everyone just freaks the hell out. Joe screaming "WHAT DID YOU DO!?" just sells it. Even Wells is fucking surprised as shit. That scene where Wells' real face comes out, everyone's like "whaaaaat". I like RF's last words "I've controlled your life for so long, Barry... how will you get along without me?" Perfect for the Reverse of the hero.
- Jesus Christ, let's rename this show 'Super Dads'. So many feels and heart-to-hearts and tears. First, the two scenes with Joe. Goddamn it. Then the scene with Henry. Goddamn it. Then the scene with Harrison motherfucking Wells where the motherfucker's actually being fucking genuine about how he cares for Barry despite hating Future Barry and you can tell he's fucking torn up about this shit, but he's fucking psycho so he's gonna do it any fucking way. Goddamn it.
- Cisco confronting Wells. Great scene.
- Those fucking special effects! The SFX team in this show deserves all the love in the world. They are killing it!
- That scene with Barry and his mom. Gustin's been killing it all season, and this episode was a real stand-out. That scene with his mom? The emotional crux of this entire season. I nearly cried. From him closing the door when she's stabbed and starting to break down to him talking to her, all those fucking tears. Goddamn it, Gustin. Blake Neely's score was perfect here.
- The wormhole! The Man in Yellow lives! Eddie will come back! I love the idea of him coming back as a shade, a shadow of Barry, come back to make him into an even better hero, but all twisted and broken.
- Killer Frost Caitlyn!? NOOOOOOOOOOO, My baby, nooooooooooo. Though damn, she's killing it in that outfit. Is that our Caitlyn, or another universe's?
- Lol, Stein is a rabbi.
- FUCKING TIME TRAVEL PUNCH, MOTHERFUCKERS.
Given that I'm on a roll with the whole Vibe guess, I'm gonna say that's our Caitlin Post Face-Heel turn that will likely happen next season.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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But why? There's no way she'd be an out-and-out villain. She's either desperate, or from a different universe, or brainwashed, or something.
This is the GOAT comic book show. You faves could never.
The Flash team needs to have a workshop with the Arrow team on how to build to a finale. And Berlanti needs to sit the Supergirl team down like "This is the bar, you guys." Just....damn. A perfect episode. I know some people don't like the cliffhanger, but in an episode like this that wrapped up all the season's plot points and raises more for the next, I think it's a perfect note to end on.
Also, speaking as a comic fan and someone who's loved The Flash since I was 12 years old, I loved the cliffhanger ending because it was a perfect Flash moment. It was a moment that showed not only do the writers get this character, but they respect and possibly even love him.
Reality is collapsing. There's chaos everywhere. No one knows what to do. No one even if there's anything they can do. Our heroes are standing awe struck, waiting for the end to come. Then the Flash steps up...and he runs. He runs faster as fast as his legs will carry him. He doesn't know how this all will turn out, but he doesn't care. People are in danger - all of existence is in danger - and he has to try and save them. That's the kind of hero The Flash is.
This show embraces everything that makes superhero comics what they are. It embraces the fun goofy moments with psychic gorillas and characters who unironically call themselves things like Reverse Flash and Captain Cold. It embraces the big heroics, and the wacky out of control nature of things that's more concerned with events being entertaining than being perfectly logical.
But it also embraces the storytelling stuff comics don't get credit for. The show dealt with themes of heroism, desire, coming of age, family, change, and dealing with the horrors of our pasts without ever getting weighed down by them or turning its characters into a bunch of sad sacks (sup Arrow).
Moreover, I loved the emotional moments in this season and argue they're the show's true strength. Barry's moments with his dads, Eddie showing up at Iris's job, Team Flash hanging around Star Labs, etc. The show works because it remembers that even if the characters exist in this big, technicolor world, they still have to be people allowed to have a full range of emotions and lives beyond punching people in the face or being tortured by having to do so much punching.
I think, more than any other superhero thing we've seen, The Flash is just....confident. Confident in what it's trying to do. Confident in it's source material. Confident in its team. Is it a perfect show? Nope, but then nothing is perfect. But it's a show that aims to just tell a damn good story and is totally confident in its ability to do so, the weightiness or legitimacy of its subject matter be damned.
Anyway, I'm rambling now. lol Point is, love this show to bits. Brb, gonna enter the Speed Force and get to October faster.
The best part was Eobard going bitch mode as soon as he saw it. lol
The Flash team needs to have a workshop with the Arrow team on how to build to a finale. And Berlanti needs to sit the Supergirl team down like "This is the bar, you guys." Just....damn. A perfect episode. I know some people don't like the cliffhanger, but in an episode like this that wrapped up all the season's plot points and raises more for the next, I think it's a perfect note to end on.
Also, speaking as a comic fan and someone who's loved The Flash since I was 12 years old, I loved the cliffhanger ending because it was a perfect Flash moment. It was a moment that showed not only do the writers get this character, but they respect and possibly even love him.
Reality is collapsing. There's chaos everywhere. No one knows what to do. No one even if there's anything they can do. Our heroes are standing awe struck, waiting for the end to come. Then the Flash steps up...and he runs. He runs faster as fast as his legs will carry him. He doesn't know how this all will turn out, but he doesn't care. People are in danger - all of existence is in danger - and he has to try and save them. That's the kind of hero The Flash is.
This show embraces everything that makes superhero comics what they are. It embraces the fun goofy moments with psychic gorillas and characters who unironically call themselves things like Reverse Flash and Captain Cold. It embraces the big heroics, and the wacky out of control nature of things that's more concerned with events being entertaining than being perfectly logical.
But it also embraces the storytelling stuff comics don't get credit for. The show dealt with themes of heroism, desire, coming of age, family, change, and dealing with the horrors of our pasts without ever getting weighed down by them or turning its characters into a bunch of sad sacks (sup Arrow).
Moreover, I loved the emotional moments in this season and argue they're the show's true strength. Barry's moments with his dads, Eddie showing up at Iris's job, Team Flash hanging around Star Labs, etc. The show works because it remembers that even if the characters exist in this big, technicolor world, they still have to be people allowed to have a full range of emotions and lives beyond punching people in the face or being tortured by having to do so much punching.
I think, more than any other superhero thing we've seen, The Flash is just....confident. Confident in what it's trying to do. Confident in it's source material. Confident in its team. Is it a perfect show? Nope, but then nothing is perfect. But it's a show that aims to just tell a damn good story and is totally confident in its ability to do so, the weightiness or legitimacy of its subject matter be damned.
Anyway, I'm rambling now. lol Point is, love this show to bits. Brb, gonna enter the Speed Force and get to October faster.
The best part was Eobard going bitch mode as soon as he saw it. lol
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I dunno, Arrow Seasons 1 and 2 had great lead-ups to the finale. Season 3 was not particularly good though.
Really hoping they carry over the lessons learned with Flash over to S4 of Arrow and Supergirl.
Let me get this straight....
The only reason Original Flash couldn't beat Reverse Flash and save his mom is because present Flash showed up and caused original flash to pause to tell him no. He paused for a good 22 seconds. 22 seconds in flash time is (unofficial estimate) three hours in real time. Original flash could've saved his mom, dad, his younger self, and returned to the future if he didn't stop to tell present Flash to not save his mom. Present flash is the reason to blame for all this.
Hope y'all realize we're about to get the retcon to end all retcons. Only Barry and Cisco should remember what happened.
The only reason Original Flash couldn't beat Reverse Flash and save his mom is because present Flash showed up and caused original flash to pause to tell him no. He paused for a good 22 seconds. 22 seconds in flash time is (unofficial estimate) three hours in real time. Original flash could've saved his mom, dad, his younger self, and returned to the future if he didn't stop to tell present Flash to not save his mom. Present flash is the reason to blame for all this.
Hope y'all realize we're about to get the retcon to end all retcons. Only Barry and Cisco should remember what happened.
I was thinking entirely of season three when I wrote that. Flash gotta remind them of what they lost.
Zoom killed moms while Future Flash was saving Kid Flash. Present Flash didn't really make that much difference.
exmachina64
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All the other problems I have with the show can be argued over or come to personal taste.
However, there's no logical consistency in the show's version of time travel. Eddie killing himself causes Eobard to never exist yet Eobard still went back in time and killed Barry's mother. I saw another poster mention that Eddie didn't prevent Thawne from existing, but that he simply didn't know Barry's identity. I accept that's probably the road the show will take.
Glad the rest of you enjoyed the season finale and the ending. I couldn't really stomach Barry jumping from object to object, finding enough matter around the singularity to run in a circle.
Yep all this right here. It was so good and I like that it wasn't just action set piece after set piece like a finale could be. Lot of heart and alot of character in this episode. The action they did have at the end was good stuff too and the effect were absolutely killer especially when you consider it's running on a cw budget. Now we have to wait till october for more but if they can remain high quality then the wait will be worth it.
Why did he attempt it though...?
PROS:
Save your mom and dad
CONS:
- Never live with Joe and Iris
- And Thawne gets to go back to his time. What is to say he won't try this again anyway?
- and um....if anything went wrong the whole city (or more) and all your friends would be killed by the wormhole. Which almost happened anyway. So a potential multitude of lives and damages.
I really don't understand how the PROS come anywhere close to the CONS.
Kind of ruined the episode for me.
PROS:
Save your mom and dad
CONS:
- Never live with Joe and Iris
- And Thawne gets to go back to his time. What is to say he won't try this again anyway?
- and um....if anything went wrong the whole city (or more) and all your friends would be killed by the wormhole. Which almost happened anyway. So a potential multitude of lives and damages.
I really don't understand how the PROS come anywhere close to the CONS.
Kind of ruined the episode for me.
MHWilliams
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Nah, the point is that original Flash didn't even try to save his mom. He fought Thawne to save himself and for some reason - probably "You wouldn't be the Flash otherwise" - just felt the only way forward was to let her die. He saved himself and then ran back to wherever he came from.
Hell, original Flash may have already rocked this before and simply knows how crappy the outcome is.
exmachina64
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He probably wasn't the original, it was probably the future version of present timeline Barry ensuring that the Reverse Flash could murder his mother to preserve his timeline. He knew Barry would be there, so he probably had foreknowledge of events.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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It's a pretty clear-cut case of writers choosing to put more importance on emotional logic over narrative logic.
Sure, we can argue about the time travel ramifications of Eddie shooting himself to kill Eobard (or ensure he never exists), but that's a rabbit hole with infinite possibilities. What the writers really care about, and want the audience to care about, is that Eddie killed himself in order to save his friends and kill Eobard.
Sure, Flash went through all that effort to save his mom, and then doesn't do it, and people might see it as selfish, but it's an emotionally cathartic moment as Barry gets to say goodbye to her and both he and his mom get some measure of peace.
Sure, we can argue about the time travel ramifications of Eddie shooting himself to kill Eobard (or ensure he never exists), but that's a rabbit hole with infinite possibilities. What the writers really care about, and want the audience to care about, is that Eddie killed himself in order to save his friends and kill Eobard.
Sure, Flash went through all that effort to save his mom, and then doesn't do it, and people might see it as selfish, but it's an emotionally cathartic moment as Barry gets to say goodbye to her and both he and his mom get some measure of peace.
Barry's entire life has been ruled by his desire to get justice for what happened to his family. Hell, even the opening monologue is about it: "I'll find the man who killed my mother and get justice for my father." Now, he had the opportunity to do just that. Do the thing he's wanted his whole life. Yes there was risk involved, but it was a carefully calculated risk (the only X factors were whether Barry could run fast enough and whether he could get back in time, both of which he did easily), and for Barry, he had to try.
Was it the most coldly logical thing to do? No, but human beings don't run on cold logic alone. For Barry, it was a chance to see his mother again.* A chance to save her and possibly live a life where he grew up with both his parents. To get the one thing he'd wanted all his life. That was as much a driving force in his decisions as weighing the risks. And it's not like he made the decision lightly. It tore him apart all episode.
*And speaking as someone's who's lost a parent, if I had the chance to see my dad again...yo, fuck y'all and this timeline.
Ehh, not necessarily. I agree they care more about emotional catharsis than "facts and numbers" logic (which they should because the latter can get dreadfully boring and isn't even true to how humans function), but I don't think that means they didn't consider the latter. The ramifications of Eddie's decision will likely come up in season two (y'all know that Rip Hunter name drop wasn't just for LoT hype), and I bet there will be a reason revealed for Future Barry telling Present Barry to back off from saving their mother.
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