YES YEESSSS they need to make it happen.I mean, yeah. Probably the Zoom version.
"I was there in that singularity for so long, Barry. You passed me by. Left me there. I waited and you never saved me. I had to save myself. You've found a better life with Iris. My life, Barry. And I've come to take it back. I've come to make you a better hero. So you can save everyone."
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exmachina64
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I understand all that, I just happen to not like it, unlike the overwhelming majority in this thread.
The cliffhanger was expected, what I didn't expect was so much damn talking to start the episode. While yes there were plenty of feels, I would have much rather had all the initial talking wrapped up far closer to the 30 min mark instead of 45 min mark (this is assuming commercial time as I don't know when it wrapped up in non live) It just drug on, and I would rather have seen that time allocated towards the events right before barry started running as well as letting eddie's scene be longer before the ending triggered.
beyond that the wedding felt very forced into the episode, though I figure this is likely to set up something happening to robbie early on in season 2, and the killer frost route being triggered and a large chunk of the story for season 2 being dedicated to curing her. (as aside from grodd, that seems like the most meaningful villain you could cast) I mean maybe killer frost will be from a different universe, but it would add a lot more drama if it was our katlyn who turns into her and has to be saved (which is why I expect it to go that way) i mean heck maybe we will get both and save our universes frost and still have to deal with another universes (one that doesn't want to be saved)
idk... either way july can't come soon enough to start getting little details. I mean there are so many different directions to take the show right now.
unholyrevenger72
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To say goodbye to his mom and get closure.
Yeah, that's a weird one...
And we know Barry was supposed to become the Flash anyway, just 5 years later. So his mom can still be alive while he's the Flash.
Ugh, time travel messes with my brain too much.
Yeah it seems to pick and choose from time travel lore. I thought they had gone with parallel universes (ie Barry leaves his first world behind when he runs to save the city from the tsunami), but then they've gone with a singular timeline and all the problems it brings.
Actually I can live with this. The whole episode was about making a choice and a risk - would you go back in time to save someone you loved, at the risk of changing everything you've known since then? That was the conflict, one that resonates with viewers.
You'll never get away with explaining time travel where everyone is happy. So don't worry too much about it and do what makes great TV.
exmachina64
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I wouldn't be surprised if they kill him off-camera since Robbie Amell doesn't want to come back.
I understood it as he was going to save her, but when himself told him not to, he just decided to say goodbye to his mom.
Also, why is Eobard running around Barry's mom like an idiot by himself while Flash is just doing the Kent Maneuver to himself? Was he having fun?
The entire "go back in time and save your mom" plan is quite dumb anyway: If he saved his mom, Eobard would be able to go back to his future. If he went back to his future, he wouldn't make this current flash (only future flash would exist). If this current flash never existed (but let's ignore the fact that he didn't disappear), where would he go back to?
The only way to explain this is if we split "time lines" in different dimensions - that way Barry could save his mom and go back to the TV Series "dimension". But then again, Eobard wouldn't disappear when Eddie killed himself (the same way Barry wouldn't immediately disappear after saving his mom). The thing is, this entire show already exists in an alternate timeline: For Eobard to go back in the past to kill Flash's mom, Barry would have had to become The Flash "naturally", in a way that's not shown in this show.
Grant tweeted "mom, I love you"
I'd bet almost anything he called his mom after filming that scene.
Entryhazard
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Where the fuck this does come from. He will even appear in the Legends of Tomorrow spinoff
unholyrevenger72
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Guys, haven't any of you seen Beast Wars? The Black Hole is just the time storm created by erasing RF's existence. The Black Hole is gathering all of creation to be rewritten. There is of course only one thing in all of comic book lore capable of staving off reality being rewritten and that's Speedforce.
Vermillion
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1) So I just watched the ending of Looper a second time, I guess.
2) This episode actually upset me with the whole time travel thing. Seriously, how do the pros come anywhere close to the cons? You could fuck up time, kill yourself, or destroy the planet just because you miss your mommy and daddy? Shit, I felt like giving Barry Zoom's Flashpoint speech the entire time.
Otherwise, great episode.
Oh wait, the cliffhanger is some bullshit.
2) This episode actually upset me with the whole time travel thing. Seriously, how do the pros come anywhere close to the cons? You could fuck up time, kill yourself, or destroy the planet just because you miss your mommy and daddy? Shit, I felt like giving Barry Zoom's Flashpoint speech the entire time.
Otherwise, great episode.
Oh wait, the cliffhanger is some bullshit.
Was the version I watched cut short? What Killer Frost? :]
Also...Eddie...dear God..there should be a limit to how much of a good guy one should be
There was a quick shot of killer frost when he was running through the speed force.
Jorok Goldblade
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Future Barry is telling present Barry that there isn't enough time left in the season to do Flashpoint.
unholyrevenger72
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pa kent flash is just the After image technique.
Entryhazard
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This is a little unfair to Arrowverse Barry as Arrowverse Nora wasn't supposed to die, it was Eboard who changed the past to begin with, saving her could have set the events right
greendomo's ghost
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Wasn't Reverse Flash from 100+ years in the future? If so wouldn't Barry be dead by then? And they wouldn't be enemies?
Vermillion
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Or not, but fuck it, let's fuck up time and space, right?
Either way, there was a particular course to time. Even using emotional logic, for someone that's supposed to be a hero, how could you risk the lives of everyone on Earth, all of their happiness, their particular course in life, for your own? That's genuinely supervillain shit, and worse than Flashpoint since Barry didn't actually know the risks then.
exmachina64
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Thought I read that on GAF. Figured Legends of Tomorrow was a CG-lookalike.
His origin is that he recreates the accident that created the Flash because he was a narcissist scientist with a lonely childhood. There weren't as many superheroes in the future and he wanted to be worshipped and idolized. When he gains the Flash's powers, he dons a replica Flash costume and begins a career as a hero. Then (being crazy, naturally), he starts killing people for mundane reasons. Barry shows up in the future, defeats him and strips him of his powers (iirc). The Reverse Flash vows to kill the Flash and spends most of his supervillain career travelling back in time to do so.
Geoff Johns wrote a story called The Flash: Rebirth where the RF figures out he can alter the Flash's past to torture him infinitely, provided he always stops short of killing Barry. He needs Barry to gain his powers and be the Flash for some period so that he can become the Reverse Flash. This culminates in Flashpoint, a story where the RF (and the Flash) alter the timeline so substantially that it becomes borderline unrecognizable. Through complicated editorial reasons, it couldn't be exactly restored.
Vermillion
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He time traveled back to a point where Barry was still alive (Some year around 2024) and they became enemies, then he travelled back again to try and kill Barry as a child.
Jorok Goldblade
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- Gets into a relationship with the hero's love interest while they're indisposed.
- Has the same family name as the archnemesis
- Was set up to make you think they would be the nemesis, rebooted with CW "You stole my girl- now I'm evil" -ness.
- The most generally likeable and level headed person on the show
- Sacrifices themselves to save their girlfriend.
Yeah. He's Barry's Tommy.
Which means We'll get a sidekick related to the love interest in season 2 (Wally) and Season 3 will be ruined by SnowBarry shippers.
Wiktor
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So..what you;re saying is that the finale should have been called "Selfish enough"?
Was the version I watched cut short? What Killer Frost? :]
Also...Eddie...dear God..there should be a limit to how much of a good guy one should be
WrenchNinja
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When I read Flash Rebirth in 2008 and Flashpoint in 2011 I loathed them. Thyey were such awful stories that turned a character that was a martyr into an annoying two dimensional brat of a grown man who had forced tragedy thrown into his origin because he was so fucking boring otherwise and then went on to side line an actual character with real character growth (Wally West).
It's great that a tv show has managed to salvage concepts from both stories and make Barry Allen a compelling character finally.
It's great that a tv show has managed to salvage concepts from both stories and make Barry Allen a compelling character finally.
Fucking amazing episode. Just assume I love everything and cried at every emotional scene, so I'll nitpick the very few thing I didn't like:
I don't see this happening at all, actually. If they treat him anything like Tommy they'll respect the spirit of the character and only use him in like glimpses of other timelines where he has a happy life. There was only love in Eddie's actions tonight, not resentment. It doesn't fit Zoom at all. Just like Tommy and Red Hood, it's funny to joke about it but sometimes it's better to leave well enough alone.
I'm pretty convinced Eobard is going to stay Barry's Reverse Flash for the loose one RF per speedster pattern. Timeline shenanigans be damned.
Bullshit. He's already confirmed he's back next season.
My biggest fear is this show won't be able to do right by Wally. I'm sure they'll nail Jay, but Wally is a fucking tough one because he gets good when Barry dies.
- Caitlin and singularity. Look I understand she's a biologist but just give the line to Ronnie or Joe.
- No Firestorm explanation. What a cop out. Just fucking announce Robbie Amell as a regular for S2. Plz.
- Ending on an action packed cliffhanger. These don't fool people. They didn't when Smallville was on (hey a "tornado" in the first season finale!) and they don't now. "Will the entire main cast survive?" is not a good question, "how will the events of the finale impact them moving forward?" is.
I don't see this happening at all, actually. If they treat him anything like Tommy they'll respect the spirit of the character and only use him in like glimpses of other timelines where he has a happy life. There was only love in Eddie's actions tonight, not resentment. It doesn't fit Zoom at all. Just like Tommy and Red Hood, it's funny to joke about it but sometimes it's better to leave well enough alone.
I'm pretty convinced Eobard is going to stay Barry's Reverse Flash for the loose one RF per speedster pattern. Timeline shenanigans be damned.
Bullshit. He's already confirmed he's back next season.
My biggest fear is this show won't be able to do right by Wally. I'm sure they'll nail Jay, but Wally is a fucking tough one because he gets good when Barry dies.
yeah I really wish they didn't entertain the prior knowledge of a black hole risk because it just dampened everything for me. Barry just should've said no and have everything still fuck up regardless
Wiktor
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Now it all makes sense. Since Reverse Flash is huge fan of Flash..this was the reason he went back in time...to stop it.
You know how in Arrow thread so many people whine they would like to see Olicity wiped out? Eobard felt the same, but instead of just complaining he decided to do something about it.!
pock3tmonster
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ilikesanta
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Remind me again why they were going to let Reverse Flash go back to the future? He told flash how to time travel, flash goes back in time, meanwhile the gang back home fills RF's chamber with toxic gas, then flash returns and they all go out for ice cream.
exmachina64
Banned
Again, thought I read the opposite on GAF. Didn't realize he was confirmed for the next season.
I guess I could see that.
Well, not really since he cared so much about evil villains dying last ep but would risk his friends dying and city being blown up now.
But there's the mom thing...eh, okay, I'll give him that.
But that doesn't explain everyone else being okay with possibly dying. Cisco had it right at first. It was an insane plan. And Nora wasn't all of their mothers, so they should've been talking him out of it imo.
So Thawne was really just an anti-shipper? Makes sense to me.
Spiritreaver
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@_@
Just watched it. I don't even know where to begin, this has been a really great season from start to finish. Not a single bad episode. It's not The Good Wife good, but probably my favorite show I've seen this season. Amazing finale.
I need to watch it again, lol.
Just watched it. I don't even know where to begin, this has been a really great season from start to finish. Not a single bad episode. It's not The Good Wife good, but probably my favorite show I've seen this season. Amazing finale.
I need to watch it again, lol.
Some would say you read the reverse.
Nah, we'll get a Sara. Someone who:
- was presumed to be dead
- is related to the main character's love interest
- turns out to have amazing abilities
- starts a relationship with the main character
- audiences think is a better match for the main character than their canon love interest
- dies unexpectedly at the end of the season/start of next season
Hours Left
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Yeah, I guess. But we already know it's most likely not Ronnie as the other half, so I was hoping they'd give us more of a hint or something.
Also..lol....WB will be throwing money away if they dont make a mobile endless runner about Barry running into wormhole
When he was doding objects on those skyscrapper It looked exactly like endless runner
It's okay.
Wait, Barry just ran INTO the wormhole, right?
What if Season 2 (or part of it) of Flash is just Sliders, with Barry going to different dimensions, which would explain all the "alternate realities" we saw on that small sequence and how Tom Cavanaugh could still be a regular on Season 2.
And then at the end he somehow magically returns to the current timeline after finding Eddie's body (or whatever was around his neck) and closes the Wormhole, preventing the destruction of the city.
Edit: what was on his neck anyway? It was poorly edited: there were 3 distinct close up shots of Eddie (one with Iris, one by himself, with his eyes still open, and the last one of him being dragged, with his eyes closed), and the "ring" or whatever was only on the last one:
What if Season 2 (or part of it) of Flash is just Sliders, with Barry going to different dimensions, which would explain all the "alternate realities" we saw on that small sequence and how Tom Cavanaugh could still be a regular on Season 2.
And then at the end he somehow magically returns to the current timeline after finding Eddie's body (or whatever was around his neck) and closes the Wormhole, preventing the destruction of the city.
Edit: what was on his neck anyway? It was poorly edited: there were 3 distinct close up shots of Eddie (one with Iris, one by himself, with his eyes still open, and the last one of him being dragged, with his eyes closed), and the "ring" or whatever was only on the last one:
Delta Assault
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Welp.
There's good, and there's bad.
The Bad: Poor writing on Barry's dad. They never convinced me why his dad would not want him to go back and change the past. He'd get his wife back. He'd get his life back, without being stuck in a shitty prison. This is something that any normal person would say yes to. But Barry's dad is the complete opposite, and giving out some hazy, half-baked platitude about maybe Barry losing something within himself or whatnot? I didn't really even understand what he was talking about. It was just odd and a poorly-thought out rationale.
Barry's mom. He doesn't save her. He just stands by and lets her die, based solely on seeing future Barry gesturing to him to stop. Cmon, man. This made absolutely no sense. This has been torturing Barry for his entire life. The idea of going back and saving her has been on his mind for half of this entire season. Yet when the time came, he just completely gave up, even though this whole opportunity was risked on a chance of a singularity possibly destroying the entire planet. WTF? Just lame and incomprehensible.
Yeah, they went and gave him a final farewell to his mom, blatantly ripping off the ending to Mark Waid's Superman Birthright. That had emotion, sure. But I wasn't invested in it, because I was just stuck wondering why he idiotically refused to save his mom. And also... just noticing the fact that Nora Allen's stab wound to the heart was apparently lazily applied with some ketchup packets at the last minute. What was that all about?
The Good: Eddie's sacrifice. Okay, this was something I never saw coming. Eddie pulls a Looper and shoots himself to wipe Zoom out of existence. It was shocking and emotional and a great farewell to Eddie. It completely worked. Seeing his lifeless body tragically getting swept up and sucked into the singularity was really quite stirring. It's a funny thing... right after I was super bummed out about how they completely botched the Nora Allen subplot, they go and reel me right back in with this great ending to the Iris and Eddie subplot.
And of course, getting to see the huge singularity sucking up Central City at the end. Sure, it doesn't look as good and as polished as what we saw in Man of Steel, but comparing it to the metrics of a normal TV show... this looked damn amazing. We see now where the money actually went when they skimped out on the CGI effects for last week's episode. It was well spent and appropriate for a season finale.
Reflecting back on the series as a whole so far... yeah, this was one hell of a ride. Definitely the second best superhero TV show I've seen this year. Daredevil pulled off everything pretty much perfectly, so it gets the nod, but Flash is right there behind it.
There's good, and there's bad.
The Bad: Poor writing on Barry's dad. They never convinced me why his dad would not want him to go back and change the past. He'd get his wife back. He'd get his life back, without being stuck in a shitty prison. This is something that any normal person would say yes to. But Barry's dad is the complete opposite, and giving out some hazy, half-baked platitude about maybe Barry losing something within himself or whatnot? I didn't really even understand what he was talking about. It was just odd and a poorly-thought out rationale.
Barry's mom. He doesn't save her. He just stands by and lets her die, based solely on seeing future Barry gesturing to him to stop. Cmon, man. This made absolutely no sense. This has been torturing Barry for his entire life. The idea of going back and saving her has been on his mind for half of this entire season. Yet when the time came, he just completely gave up, even though this whole opportunity was risked on a chance of a singularity possibly destroying the entire planet. WTF? Just lame and incomprehensible.
Yeah, they went and gave him a final farewell to his mom, blatantly ripping off the ending to Mark Waid's Superman Birthright. That had emotion, sure. But I wasn't invested in it, because I was just stuck wondering why he idiotically refused to save his mom. And also... just noticing the fact that Nora Allen's stab wound to the heart was apparently lazily applied with some ketchup packets at the last minute. What was that all about?
The Good: Eddie's sacrifice. Okay, this was something I never saw coming. Eddie pulls a Looper and shoots himself to wipe Zoom out of existence. It was shocking and emotional and a great farewell to Eddie. It completely worked. Seeing his lifeless body tragically getting swept up and sucked into the singularity was really quite stirring. It's a funny thing... right after I was super bummed out about how they completely botched the Nora Allen subplot, they go and reel me right back in with this great ending to the Iris and Eddie subplot.
And of course, getting to see the huge singularity sucking up Central City at the end. Sure, it doesn't look as good and as polished as what we saw in Man of Steel, but comparing it to the metrics of a normal TV show... this looked damn amazing. We see now where the money actually went when they skimped out on the CGI effects for last week's episode. It was well spent and appropriate for a season finale.
Reflecting back on the series as a whole so far... yeah, this was one hell of a ride. Definitely the second best superhero TV show I've seen this year. Daredevil pulled off everything pretty much perfectly, so it gets the nod, but Flash is right there behind it.
The black vortex in the sky was a black hole not a worm hole.
Basically when Barry collided with the particle, it created a stable worm hole, but only for a short period of time. When it become unstable, it create a singularity, which result in the black hole.
As a father, I think you would want your kid to grow up being responsible citizen and a good human being. Barry's dad saw that if Barry went back in time to save his mom, he might change history and by changing history. He might not have become the man he is today. Someone who look out for the best interest of everyone, and protect people (even the lives of all those villains). He realized that the world need the Flash more than they need his wife. He has spent years accepting her death and his predicament. That's why he's not in any hurry to get out of prison, he just want Barry to continue to grow and become a great man and hero.
He know one day Barry will get him out of prison, he placed his faith in Barry. That is why he didn't want Barry to change the past. Because all he has ever accomplished might be undone. That's why he said that it might change who Barry is, if he does go back and save his mom.
umm a lot, it's not exactly potato, potahto.
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