The Flash |OT| Gotta Go Fast - Tuesdays 8/7c

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After thinking about it, I think following the thread over the past week made me fall for hype which this episode just didn't have a chance to reach. It was significantly more emotional than I was expecting and a retread of several things that happened in the season. Nothing wrong with that, just wasn't expecting it based on all the spoiler bars over the past week.
 

Certinty

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Best season of any TV show I've ever seen and this episode just confirmed it even more. Really wish it was just a little longer though.
 

ZeroX03

Banned
Here's an overview of the Speed Force memories from the start:

Barry being adopted by Joe
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Caitlin as Killer Frost

The Flash Museum, Central/Keystone city's celebration of the multiple Flashes

Barry in prison. In the comics this was for murdering Eobard to stop him killing his wife

The Legends of Tomorrow

The rest of the shots are from the night Barry's mother died.
 

Hagi

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I'm quickly catching up, just watched episode 20 and yeah when this show gains traction it's absolutely fantastic. Wells is really whats keeping me watching. The monster of the week stuff has been okay, some of it has been super dumb like the terrible bee episode and whenever Cold appears but man even during those low points everything since we found out about Wells has been this slow creep to d-day that has just been enthralling to watch. Like the popular internet saying goes

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Even the Arrow stuff that crosses over into this show is fun to watch and I really don't like those characters. Going to power through an try and get to the finale tonight, hyped! I wish all DC live action stuff could be this good.

#wallywestseasontwobelieve
 

Wiktor

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Eh, I don't think the timeline we have now is gonna stay the main timeline. .

Of course it will. It has to with Arrow around. They won't suddenly switch whole different show into a different timeline just because of something that happened in Flash.

What happened will probably be close to destroying the world and somebody from the future will come to stabilize it before it collapses (Rip Hunter and his pals were formed for this particular job). Maybe even use Cisco, as he is already hinted as being able to keep the timelines from changing completely.
 

Antinash

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Really dug all that stuff about the fact that when Thawne killed Barry's mother it resulted in them all now living in a parallel universe, way different from the future that they were meant to be heading towards. If this means that the Arrowverse as we know is a parallel universe separate from the mainstream DC continuity, it would work as an excellent plot device for why certain heroes don't exist in this world. No Batman in Arrowverse? Blame Reverse-Flash for killing Nora Allen.
 
Have you read a lot of Flash? Captain Cold helps plenty. Primarily for his own selfish reasons, but there's plenty of examples of him being a morally compromised 'hero'. He doesn't like the world or his city being put in harm's way. He just wants the freedom to steal shit.

Basically they're not going to fuck with Arrow, which means their hands are tied with a whole bunch of things. Even if they go to a new reality it'll be a reality where everything in Arrow happened the same and the characters act the same. Not to mention you've got time traveling Rip Hunter flying around so the impact of time traveling is going to be greatly diminished. The payoff to the S1 story was Eobard's death and Barry's mother.

e: and if the Legends of Tomorrow preview is canon - not sure on that one yet, they may reshoot - then it's confirmed the Arrow team have the same relationship with Barry.
You mean the part with Oliver and Barry explaining things on the rooftop? I hope they change that because that was cheesy as heck, and not in a good way. (I know Snart in the comics isn't always the "villain" but the way they've set him up on the show hasn't really aligned with that, at least not yet IMO.)

I guess all I can say is that I hope the events of the finale have more of a central impact to the story as opposed to being relegated to a side plot. If it's all just gonna go back to normal, then I'll be pretty disappointed.
 

Sinatar

Official GAF Bottom Feeder
So what exactly was Barry's plan when he mach punched Wells time bubble thing?

Like what did stopping Wells from going back to his own time prevent? He knows he can't beat Wells (which was proven again, he was getting the shit kicked out of him) and Eddie had to kill himself to save him.

So Barry basically murdered Eddie for no discernible reason.
 

ZeroX03

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So what exactly was Barry's plan when he mach punched Wells time bubble thing?

Like what did stopping Wells from going back to his own time prevent? He knows he can't beat Wells (which was proven again, he was getting the shit kicked out of him) and Eddie had to kill himself to save him.

So Barry basically murdered Eddie for no discernible reason.

That's not how murder works.
 

Penguin

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So what exactly was Barry's plan when he mach punched Wells time bubble thing?

Like what did stopping Wells from going back to his own time prevent? He knows he can't beat Wells (which was proven again, he was getting the shit kicked out of him) and Eddie had to kill himself to save him.

So Barry basically murdered Eddie for no discernible reason.

I think he was preventing Wells from going back to the future.

He couldn't travel through time without his Timesphere
 

CryptiK

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Well Eddies body wasn't recovered everyone knows what that means in the TV/Movie/Comic world. It also annoys me how going back in time and saving his mum causes a massive difference in the timeline. But Eddie killing himself and effectively making it so Eobard doesn't exist did nothing. It didn't undo anything.
 

Shanlei91

Sonic handles my blue balls
Really dug all that stuff about the fact that when Thawne killed Barry's mother it resulted in them all now living in a parallel universe, way different from the future that they were meant to be heading towards. If this means that the Arrowverse as we know is a parallel universe separate from the mainstream DC continuity, it would work as an excellent plot device for why certain heroes don't exist in this world. No Batman in Arrowverse? Blame Reverse-Flash for killing Nora Allen.

Them living in a parallel universe as a result of Reverse-Flash allows for a lot of stuff to be explained i.e. like Batman and Superman not being around, characters having different origins, etc. I liked that Reverse-Flash comes from a timeline where all of that happened, more attuned to the comics. I remember when he refers to Tony as a "man of steel" and he has this ridiculous grin on his face.

But most importantly, it adds justification for the Iris and Barry romance. As weird as it is for step bother and sister to get together, it was their original destiny to get married.

I hope they do pull off some kind of Fringe/Lost side world that is more attuned to the comics and we get zany adventures and characters from that.
 

tkscz

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So what exactly was Barry's plan when he mach punched Wells time bubble thing?

Like what did stopping Wells from going back to his own time prevent? He knows he can't beat Wells (which was proven again, he was getting the shit kicked out of him) and Eddie had to kill himself to save him.

So Barry basically murdered Eddie for no discernible reason.

While getting rid of Eobard seems like a good idea, he'd be basically passing one of the most horrible DC villains onto someone else, which he couldn't bring himself to do. Plus, giving him his speed powers back would not guarantee he'd stay gone.


I noticed that too, but can we talk about the reveal that Cisco will become Vibe?
 

ZeroX03

Banned
Rick Cosnett will probably not be a regular next season, if I'm remembering the EP statements correctly they mentioned Eddie coming back being Rick's choice. Meaning his contract is up. Similar to Colin Donnell and Tommy.

Wait, the future timeline didn't make sense. RF said he was born 136 years in the future. Still he fights Flash? Barry would be ~150 when RF was born?

He's a time traveller. That's well established. He fights an older Barry in approx 2024 if not other times.

I noticed that too, but can we talk about the reveal that
Cisco will become Vibe?

You don't need to spoiler it. We've known he'll become Vibe since before the show started.
 

Dunlop

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Fun season,

I don't understand how it it's ok with everyone that he risks the ENTIRE planet with trying to save his mom.

And then the hero march as he tries to stop the black hole

No shit you have to stop it, you caused it for selfish reasons
 
Well Eddies body wasn't recovered everyone knows what that means in the TV/Movie/Comic world. It also annoys me how going back in time and saving his mum causes a massive difference in the timeline. But Eddie killing himself and effectively making it so Eobard doesn't exist did nothing. It didn't undo anything.
I think it'd going to play out as a predestination paradox. The fact that Future-Flash saw Current-Flash and told him no means that Current-Flash will eventually fight Reverse Flash again. He remembers seeing himself and knows that he shouldn't save his mother. Eddie will either be revived and with him Eobard or the timeline will attempt to correct itself by making another Reverse Flash to initiate the events of that night.
 

Jag

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Why was Eobard so scared when the old timey Flash helmet came through the portal? Was he scared that another Flash was going to come through?
 

Sinatar

Official GAF Bottom Feeder
So what exactly was Barry's plan when he mach punched Wells time bubble thing?

Like what did stopping Wells from going back to his own time prevent? He knows he can't beat Wells (which was proven again, he was getting the shit kicked out of him) and Eddie had to kill himself to save him.

So Barry basically murdered Eddie for no discernible reason.

In addition to this, Barry created a black hole and didn't even save his mother.

Pretty huge failday for old flash.
 

Selner

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Well Eddies body wasn't recovered everyone knows what that means in the TV/Movie/Comic world. It also annoys me how going back in time and saving his mum causes a massive difference in the timeline. But Eddie killing himself and effectively making it so Eobard doesn't exist did nothing. It didn't undo anything.

I think the singularity eating the city is the "undo" happening. The singularity re-opened after Eobard is "erased". That causes the paradox, which causes the Singularity.

I'm guessing Barry will run into the Singularity and come out in a different Parallel Universe.
The one he's leaving behind is basically toast, as it can't exist any more.

I'm also guessing that Season 2 will open with Barry waking up in a very different "place".
In Flashpoint he wakes up at his desk at the police station, right?

They've mentioned multiple parallel universes for Season 2. So it's possible Barry will fluctuate between two or more Parallel Universes.

What was that show where every time the main character went to sleep he switched Universes? One was red and one was orange or something?
 
Why was Eobard so scared when the old timey Flash helmet came through the portal? Was he scared that another Flash was going to come through?

I wouldn't call him scared. He seemed a bit concerned and probably wanted to GTFO before he had to deal with Jay Garrick (the first Flash), who was probably trapped in the speed force.
 

TheOMan

Tagged as I see fit
I think the singularity eating the city is the "undo" happening. The singularity re-opened after Eobard is "erased". That causes the paradox, which causes the Singularity.

I'm guessing Barry will run into the Singularity and come out in a different Parallel Universe.
The one he's leaving behind is basically toast, as it can't exist any more.

I'm also guessing that Season 2 will open with Barry waking up in a very different "place".
In Flashpoint he wakes up at his desk at the police station, right?

They've mentioned multiple parallel universes for Season 2. So it's possible Barry will fluctuate between two or more Parallel Universes.

What was that show where every time the main character went to sleep he switched Universes? One was red and one was orange or something?
One was green and one was red.

It was Awake.
 
Let's start making predictions
First Episode of Season 2 has two possibilities in my mind:
1. We spend an episode focusing on Earth-2, and then Earth-1 Flash comes in at the end via the singularity
or
2. Flash pops out of the singularity into Earth-2 right at the beginning of the episode
...
ALSO!
OMG!
"Flash vanishes among crisis"(i.e. the singularity)
Sound familiar?
 

Pilgrimzero

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Having watched the eps. This brings Wells back but that would mean Barrys doesn't have powers (nor does anyone else), but of course you can have time travel solutions so maybe Future Barry gives Good Wells some help to get his powers faster.

But really this rewrites whatever the canon into whatever the writers want. Firestorm is different. Superman is around, whatever.

What will really twist your noodle is Rev Flash. If he goes back in time his ancestor kills himself thus he doesn't exit thus his ancestor DOESN'T kill himself thus Rev Flash is born thus he goes back in time causing his ancestor to kill himself etc etc etc
 

kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
As fun as the show can be to watch, it does become a bit of a chore when bizarre comic book logic takes over completely as in this episode. Someone with the kind of grief issues Barry apparently has where he still can't let go of a death after 15 yrs and would be willing to completely sacrifice a timeline for the sake of that person would be clinically committed in the real world, but somehow instead he finds a whole crew of co-dependent enablers who are basically cheering him on. The "dilemma" just feels a little too forced at times like this.
 

Wiktor

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Let's start making predictions
First Episode of Season 2 has two possibilities in my mind:
1. We spend an episode focusing on Earth-2, and then Earth-1 Flash comes in at the end via the singularity
or
2. Flash pops out of the singularity into Earth-2 right at the beginning of the episode
...
ALSO!
OMG!
"Flash vanishes among crisis"(i.e. the singularity)
Sound familiar?

Yeah, I also think that the fact that at the end he ran INTO the blackhole makes it almost sure thing he will end up in other universe for an episode.
 

Xenoboy

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This episode!, This goddamn episode!
Man, the ending left me without words.
I was really close to shedding some tears out too.
Killer Frost too! The wait is going to be hard, really hard ;(
 

Penguin

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So are we up to... 4 parallel dimensions or 3?

The original one that happened to set in motion the shows

The TL where Wells kills Cisco

The show's current one

The one where Wells never existed
 
holy sheeeeeeeeeeeeit that episode was amazing. One of the best season finales ever. I cried like a bitch, twice. I find it hard to believe this show really has a small a budget as they claim, the effects on those last few scenes were crazy good.

Also, what the actual fuck at Jay Garrick's helmet just flying out of the wormhole. Killer Frost cameo. Rip Hunter reference and Hawgirl cameo. MAAAAN WHY I GOTTA WAIT FOR ALL THIS GOODNESS!?!
 
"Yes, Barry, I became the Reverse-Flash and killed your mother. But you didn’t believe that this was really just about me returning to the future, did you? You didn’t think that your powers just came from a particle accelerator exploding? No, Barry. I serve a being far more powerful than myself, or any metahuman you’ve met before. It’s time for you to meet the one who really gave you your speed. It’s time for you to meet... Mopee.”

Lollllllllllllllllllll
 
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ZombieFred

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I just have to point this out but,

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this is one of the most fucked up/most destructive moments I've ever seen in a comic book film. I mean, holy shit, that tower and its surroundings is going up in smokes! This would be all over the world with all the chaos!
 

morningbus

Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
So are we up to... 4 parallel dimensions or 3?

The original one that happened to set in motion the shows

The TL where Wells kills Cisco

The show's current one

The one where Wells never existed

Yeah, it's definitely getting confusing/interesting.

What makes it hard to figure is that White Logo Flash obviously knew the dangers of changing the past when he warned current, Red Logo Flash. So, basically, you can assume that there is at least another alternate timeline where White Logo Flash learned this on top of any other timelines we've seen.

Plus, add the timeline where Barry's dad was the Flash back in the 90s.
 

tim1138

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Season 2 should open with a zoomed out view of the singularity and a familiar red streak going around it, but when the voice over kicks in, it starts "My name is Jay Garrick, and I am the fastest man alive..."
 
I just have to point this out but,

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this is one of the most fucked up/most destructive moments I've ever seen in a comic book film. I mean, holy shit, that tower and its surroundings is going up in smokes! This would be all over the world with all the chaos!

Really makes me think season 2 is gonna be the beginning of a new timeline

Doubt the current one will exist unless they are gonna explore a post apocalyptic Central City setting
 
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